ContraTempo wrote: »

So given the recent high profile ban for this offense, I'm curious: How would ESO know if you are sharing your account? Provided you and your partner (in crime evidently) don't try to log on at the same time (which I assume is impossible anyway), how would they know who is playing?

I'm also a bit puzzled as to why they would care, but I suppose they have some scenario in mind where it costs them money.

I would think that letting someone try ESO by creating and playing an alt on your account would be a great way to get them hooked. If they are a good enough friend that you are willing to let them do that then before long you will want to play together, and that means separate accounts and sales (at least of the game) for ZoS, so I suspect this would actually help rather than hurt their bottom line.

IP Address basically. When someone as closely followed as Sypher account shares they're bound to notice.

you wont be banned unless someone really hates you and manually reports you, im 99.99% sure they dont have a system to detect this kind of stuff

ContraTempo wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

ContraTempo wrote: »

So given the recent high profile ban for this offense, I'm curious: How would ESO know if you are sharing your account?.

IP Address basically. When someone as closely followed as Sypher account shares they're bound to notice.

But I play on a laptop. I might be at home, a friend's house, a business trip, or on holiday. Maybe just at a café killing some time and some monsters in a good atmosphere. Besides, even at home I don't have a permanent IP. It changes sometimes when the DHCP lease runs out and the server hands my router a new IP.

There's more to an IP Address than that. They know if it's local or not, or if it's from the same device.

ContraTempo wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

ContraTempo wrote: »

So given the recent high profile ban for this offense, I'm curious: How would ESO know if you are sharing your account?.

IP Address basically. When someone as closely followed as Sypher account shares they're bound to notice.

But I play on a laptop. I might be at home, a friend's house, a business trip, or on holiday. Maybe just at a café killing some time and some monsters in a good atmosphere. Besides, even at home I don't have a permanent IP. It changes sometimes when the DHCP lease runs out and the server hands my router a new IP.

Haven't you received the email to verify cause you're accessing from a different machine or IP?

If so, this is exactly how they know.
Also read the agreement where it mentions this

Basically, I think its the ip address thing if its the same ip address as another persons account. Maybe if they are friends and are playing in the same house maybe they are not account sharing but I think every computer has its own ip address or ip number that can be identified.
Most likely sharing items between accounts, that you own also could get you banned I am sure so if you have two accounts just don't transfer items and gold in between them and you should be fine.

They are able to track every item in the game like gold and other stuff. They can in fact investigate every thing you send or trade with each other and if there is account sharing it most likely would be obvious to them and they will ban for it. Each account has a record they can track, they put this in place to help curb botters and so they could ban those accounts most likely but this also allows them to find exploiters that duplicate items and those that are using unfair tactics.

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

It's because account sharing is a liability. Anyone you share with could easily swipe whatever they want and you cannot recover it because it was your fault to begin with. Due to this liability the practice of account sharing is added to the TOS as a violation and is a bannable offense.

It's even worse when you pay for anything on your account such as PSN and whatnot because then its TWO TOS you violate. The game and the system.

This right here and some more


@the OP ...from a responsibility and agreement standpoint, the customer has an agreement with the company. The customer is gaining access to ZOS products via an authorized account. There isn't an agreement with others and this license is limited in its use.

Basically go read the agreements you and all of us agreed to. Now is a good time if these are ur questions.

Click the bottom on this pages for some of that language

ContraTempo wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

ContraTempo wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

ContraTempo wrote: »

So given the recent high profile ban for this offense, I'm curious: How would ESO know if you are sharing your account?.

IP Address basically. When someone as closely followed as Sypher account shares they're bound to notice.

But I play on a laptop. I might be at home, a friend's house, a business trip, or on holiday. Maybe just at a café killing some time and some monsters in a good atmosphere. Besides, even at home I don't have a permanent IP. It changes sometimes when the DHCP lease runs out and the server hands my router a new IP.

There's more to an IP Address than that. They know if it's local or not, or if it's from the same device.

Not. Part of what a firewall does is scrub info about internal routing on the local network. Then the NAT takes care of routing the incoming packets back to the correct internal IP. The point is to prevent external systems from being able to isolate individual systems on a private network.

Their program could include some info unique to the local system to identify it. Some key that gets generated when you set up ESO. However, that would mean that if I buy 2 copies of ESO and set it up on 2 computers, I could not use my account on both of them without risking a ban. Which seems like an odd restriction. I'm sure some people have one copy on their super fast desktop gaming system for when they are at home, and another on their laptop for when they must travel.

I think it's a combination of all the factors listed above.

One of the simplest being 1 account per person is more profitable for them than 1 account per household or group of friends. (Yes some people might never consider sharing an account long-term, but others would do.)

But it also means there's a whole range of problems they don't have to deal with.

If your friend is borrowing your account, gets into a massive argument in zone chat and is banned for harassment you can't then complain to ZOS that only his character should have been banned and you should still be allowed to play.

If you share an account with your little sister and she uses all the gold you'd been saving in the bank to buy a horse for her character you can't ask ZOS to remove her horse and give your gold back. And they therefore don't have to try and determine who earned the gold and who should have been allowed to spend it.

And it also means if they spot suspicious activity, like an account that was purchased, registered and played in the USA suddenly being used from China for 10 hours a night to farm gold they can ban it without having to try to contact anyone to find out if the original owner gave them permission to do that, or has sold the account or whatever.

Edit: It also saves them from the risk of someone making a case (potentially in court) saying they should not be bound by the Terms and Conditions because they never agreed to them since someone else set the account up. That may well be true but it just means the person who did agree (and you have to do that to play) is responsible not only for the original violation but also for account sharing.

ContraTempo wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

ContraTempo wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

ContraTempo wrote: »

So given the recent high profile ban for this offense, I'm curious: How would ESO know if you are sharing your account?.

IP Address basically. When someone as closely followed as Sypher account shares they're bound to notice.

But I play on a laptop. I might be at home, a friend's house, a business trip, or on holiday. Maybe just at a café killing some time and some monsters in a good atmosphere. Besides, even at home I don't have a permanent IP. It changes sometimes when the DHCP lease runs out and the server hands my router a new IP.

There's more to an IP Address than that. They know if it's local or not, or if it's from the same device.

Not. Part of what a firewall does is scrub info about internal routing on the local network. Then the NAT takes care of routing the incoming packets back to the correct internal IP. The point is to prevent external systems from being able to isolate individual systems on a private network.

You still connect to the internet from your device and your internet reads where you are connecting from which in turn determines your IP Address. If they cannot determine this stuff on their own they can look into any and all reports made against the person and then check it out. They don't need to hack you to find things out...

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Changing your video card shouldnt have any effect on that account verification email. It just looks at your IP. I comepletly rebuilt my pc even reinstalled windows and it still didnt ask me to verify. Only when I tried to login from a different area did it send it. Like when I was visiting a friend and used his wifi to play.

I had to change my Graphiccard 4 Times in the last 2 Weeks and had to veryify my PC 2 Times right after that

Someone got banned?