Please do something with Emperor Siege

Joy_Division · April 2016

Either make the bonus damage only apply to structures or fix the issues with your game that prevents the red circle from rendering on my screen when the performance goes down the toilet (which is in every keep fight in which an emperor uses siege).

I would prefer emperors not be motivated to point and click with items in their inventory, but that is just my humble opinion.

staracino_ESO · April 2016

You should have used the grouping tool located in the Group menu.

But honestly I do not see why emp needs to get ANY bonus siege damage; even to structures. An emp will either a) roll with a group capable of bringing down wall quickly, or b) attract enough of a zerg to a keep that they will be able to get the wall down. I am all for any changes that prevent ~5 minute keep takes, since decent length keep battles are my favorite part of PvP currently.

DHale · April 2016

Big Ernie hits like a wet noodle... His mate slappy hit the hardest of any emp ever just under 50 k when he was emp on Haderus not too long ago. I would take 37k any day. Better level purge.

Anazasi · April 2016

lol seriously. Not an issue

Joy_Division · April 2016

DHale wrote: »

Big Ernie hits like a wet noodle... His mate slappy hit the hardest of any emp ever just under 50 k when he was emp on Haderus not too long ago. I would take 37k any day. Better level purge.

So many people are dismissive and judgemental of emperors, as if they have a trail of accessible evidence that they somehow did better and were admired during their reign.

Unless I missed a patch note somewhere, purge doesn't prevent incoming siege damage.

r.jan_emailb16_ESO · April 2016

Joy_Division wrote: »

DHale wrote: »

Big Ernie hits like a wet noodle... His mate slappy hit the hardest of any emp ever just under 50 k when he was emp on Haderus not too long ago. I would take 37k any day. Better level purge.

So many people are dismissive and judgemental of emperors, as if they somehow have a trail of accessible evidence that they somehow did better and were admired during their reign.

Unless I missed a patch note somewhere, purge doesn't prevent incoming siege damage.

Doesn't help against stone, but the dot from fire and so on can be removed.

@ZOS_GinaBruno this has been in game for a few months now, any comment?

vortexman11 · April 2016

When fighting challenging monsters, try bringing a friend. Use the grouping tool located in the Group menu.

Father_X_Zombie · April 2016

I saw a terrible emp 1 shot a zerg with a cold fire ballista, wearing vicious death.

Now that's something that needs adressed

Satiar · April 2016

Geez Ernie, did you really push for emp to sit on siege?

_Chaos · April 2016

It's amazing how this bug was around in beta.

Fixed in beta.

Popped up again in approx. 1.4

Fixed in an undocumented 1.4 incremental

Popped up again, (I think) mid-end 1.5

Still not fixed.

@ZOS_QuinnC You're the closest tag to ZOS_QA, so I blame you.

Psilent · April 2016

Joy_Division wrote: »

Either make the bonus damage only apply to structures or fix the issues with your game that prevents the red circle from rendering on my screen when the performance goes down the toilet (which is in every keep fight in which an emperor uses siege).

I would prefer emperors not be motivated to point and click with items in their inventory, but that is just my humble opinion.

Siege Shield provides 35% damage mitigation to siege.

24k damage if you had it up. Should have left you with enough health to heal, since stone trebs don't leave a dot. Treb also has to reload, so the player isn't spamming it.

I don't see the issue here..

RebornV3x · April 2016

This isn't an issue

Zheg · April 2016

Psilent wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Either make the bonus damage only apply to structures or fix the issues with your game that prevents the red circle from rendering on my screen when the performance goes down the toilet (which is in every keep fight in which an emperor uses siege).

I would prefer emperors not be motivated to point and click with items in their inventory, but that is just my humble opinion.

Siege Shield provides 35% damage mitigation to siege.

24k damage if you had it up. Should have left you with enough health to heal, since stone trebs don't leave a dot. Treb also has to reload, so the player isn't spamming it.

I don't see the issue here..

Wow. I'm not even going to do my usual rant because I still can't get past wow.

Minalan · April 2016

Psilent wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Either make the bonus damage only apply to structures or fix the issues with your game that prevents the red circle from rendering on my screen when the performance goes down the toilet (which is in every keep fight in which an emperor uses siege).

I would prefer emperors not be motivated to point and click with items in their inventory, but that is just my humble opinion.

Siege Shield provides 35% damage mitigation to siege.

24k damage if you had it up. Should have left you with enough health to heal, since stone trebs don't leave a dot. Treb also has to reload, so the player isn't spamming it.

I don't see the issue here..

The issue is lag, and that he never gets to see then if ke before death. He isn't wrong...

Sallington · April 2016

RebornV3x wrote: »

This isn't an issue

It is when the red circle doesn't appear on the ground.

Ghost-Shot · April 2016

r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

DHale wrote: »

Big Ernie hits like a wet noodle... His mate slappy hit the hardest of any emp ever just under 50 k when he was emp on Haderus not too long ago. I would take 37k any day. Better level purge.

So many people are dismissive and judgemental of emperors, as if they somehow have a trail of accessible evidence that they somehow did better and were admired during their reign.

Unless I missed a patch note somewhere, purge doesn't prevent incoming siege damage.

Doesn't help against stone, but the dot from fire and so on can be removed.

@ZOS_GinaBruno this has been in game for a few months now, any comment?

The dot is not the problem when the initial hit does 40k+, that's just stupid.

Ghost-Shot · April 2016

Psilent wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Either make the bonus damage only apply to structures or fix the issues with your game that prevents the red circle from rendering on my screen when the performance goes down the toilet (which is in every keep fight in which an emperor uses siege).

I would prefer emperors not be motivated to point and click with items in their inventory, but that is just my humble opinion.

Siege Shield provides 35% damage mitigation to siege.

24k damage if you had it up. Should have left you with enough health to heal, since stone trebs don't leave a dot. Treb also has to reload, so the player isn't spamming it.

I don't see the issue here..

I mean, there's no way he could put down more than 1 right?

redspecter23 · April 2016

I'd say the issue isn't as much the insane damage (I can point out numerous other insane burst damage setups) but that you can't see the circle and react in time. That's the part that needs to be fixed. If you can see the circle and are able to move around with minimal lag then the problem becomes less of an issue.

Zheg · April 2016

redspecter23 wrote: »

I'd say the issue isn't as much the insane damage (I can point out numerous other insane burst damage setups) but that you can't see the circle and react in time. That's the part that needs to be fixed. If you can see the circle and are able to move around with minimal lag then the problem becomes less of an issue.

And when you're fighting the horde at a keep and there are 20/20 defensive siege up peppering every entrance? Does it help seeing the red circles all that much when the entire area is covered in them and you're playing Russian roulette trying to guess which is the emp siege?

It shouldnt do more damage than the already overtuned regular siege, period.

Rylana · April 2016

Did everyone forget this is a bug? Remember it was changed in 1.2 to stop emperor ground oils?

It came back when they messed with former emp passives and had to fix emp wall siege damage, they put this back in and i am 100 percent sure its a bug and not intentional.

RDMyers65b14_ESO · April 2016

I will say that I think the red circles are broken. When DC busted through Chal last night, I managed to get to the oil line. After killing the cherry on the oil line, I put one of my own up. You would not believe how many cherries stood still in the oil and died thinking it was friendly oil. They must have not seen a red circle. One even tried to put up a fire ballista while my oil rained down on his head.

Lucky28 · April 2016

Satiar wrote: »

Geez Ernie, did you really push for emp to sit on siege?

Depending on how bad it's lagging. i'll sit on siege all day. "yep, i'm doing something. I'm not just sitting here waiting for the rest of EP to push them out so i can get a tick and log out.... no, i'm not doing that at all"

Hektik_V · April 2016

It could always be worse. At least he doesn't run vicious death with emperor trebuchets like I used to do on Haderus.

CatchMeTrolling · April 2016

It's a bug

HoloYoitsu · April 2016

If a bug happens in Cyrodiil and no dev ever PvPs, does it still make a sound?

Careful, this one's a trick question.

imredneckson · April 2016

Joy_Division wrote: »

Either make the bonus damage only apply to structures or fix the issues with your game that prevents the red circle from rendering on my screen when the performance goes down the toilet (which is in every keep fight in which an emperor uses siege).

I would prefer emperors not be motivated to point and click with items in their inventory, but that is just my humble opinion.

Working as intended

koby-xxrwb17_ESO · April 2016

Hektik_V wrote: »

It could always be worse. At least he doesn't run vicious death with emperor trebuchets like I used to do on Haderus.

And at least he's not humblebragging on the forums about it like you

Psilent · April 2016

Zheg wrote: »

Psilent wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Either make the bonus damage only apply to structures or fix the issues with your game that prevents the red circle from rendering on my screen when the performance goes down the toilet (which is in every keep fight in which an emperor uses siege).

I would prefer emperors not be motivated to point and click with items in their inventory, but that is just my humble opinion.

Siege Shield provides 35% damage mitigation to siege.

24k damage if you had it up. Should have left you with enough health to heal, since stone trebs don't leave a dot. Treb also has to reload, so the player isn't spamming it.

I don't see the issue here..

Wow. I'm not even going to do my usual rant because I still can't get past wow.

Wow! I can't believe it! A Zheg response that is only two sentences; am I in the alternate universe?

Seriously though you run with, on average, 20+ people. Are you telling me that not one of those people can pop a siege shield when you stop to burst groups? What about having two people open up another outer wall or the other inner postern? Ernie is only human and can't cover all the breaches with Cold Stone Trebuchets.

Septimus_Magna · April 2016

Sieging is all Emperors do these days because its so incredibly overpowered.

Without siege shield 32k hits are pretty common, which is basically an one-shot kill for 98% of the players in Cyrodiil. The red circle that indicates that siege has been fired is often difficult to see among all the ground effects.

But balance is totally fine, a left mouse click should be rewarded with one-shot kills once you're emperor I guess.

ataggs · April 2016

For anyone who hasn't been hit by this, it's a lot like the Trap Beast bug. I don't always see the indicator and then I'm dead. I can't blame Big Ernie for using it, I just don't want to hear the crying when it's a DC or AD emp using at at EP.

BTW Trap Beast was fixed pretty quick, why not this?

vortexman11 · April 2016

ataggs wrote: »

For anyone who hasn't been hit by this, it's a lot like the Trap Beast bug. I don't always see the indicator and then I'm dead. I can't blame Big Ernie for using it, I just don't want to hear the crying when it's a DC or AD emp using at at EP.

BTW Trap Beast was fixed pretty quick, why not this?

I can't use this bug to farm PvE Dungeons with 400k DPS though, so its not worth being fixed