The size of bids for guild trader kiosks

goatlyonesub17_ESO · April 2016

How much gold would be considered a minimally successful bid to take over a guild kiosk in a good area?
Say...
Mournhold.
Rawl'ka
Eidon Root
Wayrest
Rifton
Windhelm
Evermore

Ackwalan · April 2016

Trader bids are tightly held secrets. Even when you are in the trade guilds, they don't say how much the bids are. Too many spies in the trade guilds that will take that info to out bid you.

FlyLeaf30 · April 2016

I'm not to sure about many of those areas but Rawl'ka is around 1M at least, there are bidding wars going on there, some guilds bid 4M to aquire a spot there.

Erraln · April 2016

Nobody is going to give you this information through public channels, as it is the same thing as asking 'How can I ruin sales for guild X for one week?'.

I'll give you a hint, though. The revenue from sales alone doesn't suffice.

Conquistador · April 2016

Mournhold is probably 1-1.5mil a week, Rawl'kha is probably 2mil a week, Elden Root is probably 700-800k a week and Wayrest is probably 700k a week at this point.

TARAFRAKA · April 2016

Conquistador wrote: »

Mournhold is probably 1-1.5mil a week, Rawl'kha is probably 2mil a week, Elden Root is probably 700-800k a week and Wayrest is probably 700k a week at this point.

Try multiplying all those figures by about 6. I'm a gm and we have a trader.
I'm constantly having to put in my own gold to make the bids because it is insanely overpriced.

jzholloway · April 2016

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

Conquistador wrote: »

Mournhold is probably 1-1.5mil a week, Rawl'kha is probably 2mil a week, Elden Root is probably 700-800k a week and Wayrest is probably 700k a week at this point.

Conquistador wrote: »

Mournhold is probably 1-1.5mil a week, Rawl'kha is probably 2mil a week, Elden Root is probably 700-800k a week and Wayrest is probably 700k a week at this point.

Try multiplying all those figures by about 6. I'm a gm and we have a trader.
I'm constantly having to put in my own gold to make the bids because it is insanely overpriced.

The sound about right on PS4 NA ..

TARAFRAKA · April 2016

jzholloway wrote: »

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

Conquistador wrote: »

Mournhold is probably 1-1.5mil a week, Rawl'kha is probably 2mil a week, Elden Root is probably 700-800k a week and Wayrest is probably 700k a week at this point.

Conquistador wrote: »

Mournhold is probably 1-1.5mil a week, Rawl'kha is probably 2mil a week, Elden Root is probably 700-800k a week and Wayrest is probably 700k a week at this point.

Try multiplying all those figures by about 6. I'm a gm and we have a trader.
I'm constantly having to put in my own gold to make the bids because it is insanely overpriced.

The sound about right on PS4 NA ..

Yeah I'm xbone NA and I typically have to out in a half million or more of my own gold to make up the bid.

TARAFRAKA · April 2016

jzholloway wrote: »

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

Conquistador wrote: »

Mournhold is probably 1-1.5mil a week, Rawl'kha is probably 2mil a week, Elden Root is probably 700-800k a week and Wayrest is probably 700k a week at this point.

Conquistador wrote: »

Mournhold is probably 1-1.5mil a week, Rawl'kha is probably 2mil a week, Elden Root is probably 700-800k a week and Wayrest is probably 700k a week at this point.

Try multiplying all those figures by about 6. I'm a gm and we have a trader.
I'm constantly having to put in my own gold to make the bids because it is insanely overpriced.

The sound about right on PS4 NA ..

Yeah I'm xbone NA and I typically have to put in a half million or more of my own gold to make up the bid.

rootimus · April 2016

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

I'm constantly having to put in my own gold to make the bids because it is insanely overpriced.

So you're saying you're part of the problem?

SirAndy · April 2016

I purposely avoid the large trading guilds in the main faction cities. The prices for those traders are insane and the guilds try to rip you off in order to recoup some of those costs.

I found a few well stocked traders out in the boonies and outlaw refuges and they get all my business.

goatlyonesub17_ESO · April 2016

SirAndy wrote: »

I purposely avoid the large trading guilds in the main faction cities. The prices for those traders are insane and the guilds try to rip you off in order to recoup some of those costs.

I found a few well stocked traders out in the boonies and outlaw refuges and they get all my business.

I shop the big-city guild stores for food mats, but they don't rip me off. Either I can profit from cooking the mats into food/drink, or I can't. If they price is so high that I can't profit, then they don't make a sale and the food mat just sits and sits and sits and sits on the guild store shelf until its 30 days are up. Then if the seller is really stupid, he relists it at the same price, and it sits and sits and sits and sits on the guild store shelf for another 30 days. Eventually, they realize that there just is no getting around the math and charge an acceptably low price. But the dynamic equlibrium of seller optimism/foolishness/predator instinct is such that there's usually more usable food material behind the price wall than in front of it.

MissBizz · April 2016

I don't do the bidding for LWH but obviously as GM I see what it is. We do not go after the big ones. Although from what I have been seeing - outlaw refuges are probably the easiest (and least pricey) to take up.

NewBlacksmurf · April 2016

MissBizz wrote: »

I don't do the bidding for LWH but obviously as GM I see what it is. We do not go after the big ones. Although from what I have been seeing - outlaw refuges are probably the easiest (and least pricey) to take up.

Oh dear....I hope this doesn't cause a drastic change to bidding spots

DRXHarbinger · April 2016

Rawlka on XB is 2m for the 2 closest spots to the wayshrine the others are around 1m. These 2 overpriced ones actually consider them thiers and pay more than they actually earn on the trader just for the sake of it.

Korah_Eaglecry · April 2016

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

I don't do the bidding for LWH but obviously as GM I see what it is. We do not go after the big ones. Although from what I have been seeing - outlaw refuges are probably the easiest (and least pricey) to take up.

Oh dear....I hope this doesn't cause a drastic change to bidding spots

Doubtful. Even if its a busy day Im sure the foot traffic to one of those is a trickle compared to the main hubs.

TARAFRAKA · April 2016

rootimus wrote: »

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

I'm constantly having to put in my own gold to make the bids because it is insanely overpriced.

So you're saying you're part of the problem?

Apparently your reading comprehension is subpar.
To clarify, to meet the standard that the area has in the guild bidding, I have to use my own gold to even give my guild a chance. How you would construe that original statement to be anything other than what I just reiterated tells me one thing. You're a troll.

FortheloveofKrist · April 2016

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

Yeah I'm xbone NA and I typically have to out in a half million or more of my own gold to make up the bid.

If you personally have a half million in gold each week to make the bid, then I'm having a hard time feeling sorry for you.

Itoq · April 2016

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

To clarify, to meet the standard that the area has in the guild bidding, I have to use my own gold to even give my guild a chance. How you would construe that original statement to be anything other than what I just reiterated tells me one thing. You're a troll.

You are driving up the price - which you seem to have decided to do rather than risk sitting out having a vendor in the area that you want.

So, if the problem, as stated above, is that vendor costs are highly priced, then yes you would be 'part of the problem.'

Whether you think that the problem, as stated above, is a problem or not or whether you think that driving up the price is justified or not are other issues.

iTzStevey · April 2016

Well, apparently the guild I'm in bid around 2mil on a trader in mournhold....and lost 0.0

TARAFRAKA · April 2016

Yeah I believe it. But apparently since I grind daily and spend all my gold trying to get my newer guild a trader out in the boonies for as cheap as possible, I'm part of the problem....I don't over bid. Ever.
I only go off of what I know the bid wars are typically in that area. Also, I never asked anyone to feel sorry for me.
I don't think the prices are justified in the slightest. It's ridiculous that a trader costs as much as it does and it's mainly because we don't have many gold sinks in game, honestly. I've seen people buy out a prime trader and list not a single item just to flex their muscle and I think it's pathetic. The fact that you all jumped on me as if I'm the cause of the problems is outrageous and hurtful to be honest.
And people wonder why some people avoid the eso forum like the plague.

Silver_Strider · April 2016

The absolute cheapest I've ever gotten a Guild Trader for was 150k in Stormhold.
That was a LONG time ago.

Nowadays, you can't get a guild trader for less than 500k it seems, even those backwater traders that are so out of the way that you barely sale anything go for around 200k

mdylan2013 · April 2016

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

Yeah I believe it. But apparently since I grind daily and spend all my gold trying to get my newer guild a trader out in the boonies for as cheap as possible, I'm part of the problem....I don't over bid. Ever.
I only go off of what I know the bid wars are typically in that area. Also, I never asked anyone to feel sorry for me.
I don't think the prices are justified in the slightest. It's ridiculous that a trader costs as much as it does and it's mainly because we don't have many gold sinks in game, honestly. I've seen people buy out a prime trader and list not a single item just to flex their muscle and I think it's pathetic. The fact that you all jumped on me as if I'm the cause of the problems is outrageous and hurtful to be honest.
And people wonder why some people avoid the eso forum like the plague.

You can't win either way, I've been in the same situation as you so I can sympathise. Trying to get a guild store in a populated area means that you have to take part in the bidding wars, which then drives up the price.if you don't go for a populated area your sales suffer and people leave the guild for a 'better' located one, which then impacts on your ability to hold a decent location the next week.

The guild that I help to run the trader side of has been getting a city location for quite a while now. We don't go for the most populated areas but we seem to be getting decent enough passing trade. We still have to bid a high amount though just to make sure no one sneaks in a low bid.

thezeroroomub17_ESO · April 2016

What is the point in having a trader if you have to spend all your profits, and often more, to keep it every week? I'm so discouraged with this that I don't even see the point in trying to maintain a trading guild. Why would you want to spend thousands / millions on a trader when you will likely never see even a percent of the profits? I don't understand the logic behind it at all, or why it's supposed to be, in any way whatsoever, fun.

Being a trader, and putting my stuff up for sale, is one of my favorite things to do in all the MMOs I play, and have played. I love the concept of guild traders, but the execution of this idea is horribly rancid and nonsensical. I don't see any point in in even trying to grow my guild because there's little potential in growing the profits. If there is, you can't predict it or plan for it in any way because of this stupid weekly blind bidding BS.

I think there needs to be a lot more traders, and the traders shouldn't be free agents. They should be restricted free agents so that you have at least the option to match any larger incoming bids. Maybe even cap the bid amounts in some way. Something needs to be done. Maybe it's just my discouragement speaking, but I don't see how it's possible for someone like me to get a new trading guild off the ground and be successful.

You can't keep your players, or attract new ones, unless you have a trader. And you can't get a trader consistently unless you're lucky AND spend more than you can make, and even then it's a shot in the dark. How in the F is this supposed to be fun?!

Amachie · April 2016

You need donations. No donations- no trader, if you cannot generate enough money in the guild bank via sales tax. Guildies must understand that.

Phinix1 · April 2016

Honestly, the trade guild system in this game is terribly broken. These bids are ridiculous and having a guild require you to pay tens of thousands a month just for the privilege of being a member is the consequence.

Not having access to a global auction house means less selection for worse prices with more hassle to find them. For the amount of selling I actually do, I'll just check prices at a few major locations then sell it in trade chat in a major hub zone.

The amount I save on rip-off forced raffle BS more than covers the cost of undercutting to sell in a hurry.

Hopefully ZOS re-designs the current system as I hate it pretty badly.

goatlyonesub17_ESO · April 2016

MissBizz wrote: »

I don't do the bidding for LWH but obviously as GM I see what it is. We do not go after the big ones. Although from what I have been seeing - outlaw refuges are probably the easiest (and least pricey) to take up.

You might also have a look at the trader guilds stuck out in to boonies: middle of the desert with only a small town nearby, middle of the jungle with only a minor village nearby, etcetera. Places you don't gallop past except once or twice during Cadwell's silver or gold.

DurzoBlint13 · April 2016

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

Conquistador wrote: »

Mournhold is probably 1-1.5mil a week, Rawl'kha is probably 2mil a week, Elden Root is probably 700-800k a week and Wayrest is probably 700k a week at this point.

Conquistador wrote: »

Mournhold is probably 1-1.5mil a week, Rawl'kha is probably 2mil a week, Elden Root is probably 700-800k a week and Wayrest is probably 700k a week at this point.

Try multiplying all those figures by about 6. I'm a gm and we have a trader.
I'm constantly having to put in my own gold to make the bids because it is insanely overpriced.

you think Wayrest is only 700K?!?!? (On ps4/NA) Try multiplying by 4 or 5 and you will be much closer

anitajoneb17_ESO · April 2016

/summons @Gidorick

TARAFRAKA · April 2016

thezeroroomub17_ESO wrote: »

What is the point in having a trader if you have to spend all your profits, and often more, to keep it every week? I'm so discouraged with this that I don't even see the point in trying to maintain a trading guild. Why would you want to spend thousands / millions on a trader when you will likely never see even a percent of the profits? I don't understand the logic behind it at all, or why it's supposed to be, in any way whatsoever, fun.

Being a trader, and putting my stuff up for sale, is one of my favorite things to do in all the MMOs I play, and have played. I love the concept of guild traders, but the execution of this idea is horribly rancid and nonsensical. I don't see any point in in even trying to grow my guild because there's little potential in growing the profits. If there is, you can't predict it or plan for it in any way because of this stupid weekly blind bidding BS.

I think there needs to be a lot more traders, and the traders shouldn't be free agents. They should be restricted free agents so that you have at least the option to match any larger incoming bids. Maybe even cap the bid amounts in some way. Something needs to be done. Maybe it's just my discouragement speaking, but I don't see how it's possible for someone like me to get a new trading guild off the ground and be successful.

You can't keep your players, or attract new ones, unless you have a trader. And you can't get a trader consistently unless you're lucky AND spend more than you can make, and even then it's a shot in the dark. How in the F is this supposed to be fun?!

You are correct and I agree whole heartedly. NO guild makes back their bid amount in guild taxes, that's a joke. The kiosks are supported by donations and MAINLY a few top tier backers in 99% of the trading guilds I've seen. Even the donations don't cover a majority of the cost, and thats with absolutely everyone in the guild donating the minimum.
Even prime location traders can't pull it off, not with the way the bids have been pushed increasingly higher each week.
What's even dumber is the fact that since everyone is bidding blindly, the prices are raising even quicker.
When a guild loses their normal kiosk after bidding their usual say 4.2 million one week they will significantly over bid the next week to ensure they get it...which then leads the guild they are competing with to do the same...rinse repeat and in 2 weeks the bid skyrockets to 7 million! That's just an example but I see it happen often.
All because we have to bid blindly and can't see how much the other people bid even AFTER you lose the bid.
You just get an in game message saying you were outbid and to TRY BIDDING MORE NEXT WEEK. THANKS ZOS. Perfect advice, right?
How the foresight to what this would become was overlooked, I'll never understand.

rootimus · April 2016

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

Yeah I believe it. But apparently since I grind daily and spend all my gold trying to get my newer guild a trader out in the boonies for as cheap as possible, I'm part of the problem....I don't over bid. Ever.
I only go off of what I know the bid wars are typically in that area. Also, I never asked anyone to feel sorry for me.
I don't think the prices are justified in the slightest. It's ridiculous that a trader costs as much as it does and it's mainly because we don't have many gold sinks in game, honestly. I've seen people buy out a prime trader and list not a single item just to flex their muscle and I think it's pathetic. The fact that you all jumped on me as if I'm the cause of the problems is outrageous and hurtful to be honest.
And people wonder why some people avoid the eso forum like the plague.

You're complaining about how much it costs, which I agree is a ridiculous amount, but then you're also claiming to have a second job where you "grind daily" to make the gold to pay for an over-priced trader. You remind me of the Eve players who complain about the cost of PLEx because it means they "have" to run that game's truly mindless PvE content for hours on end in order to avoid paying for a subscription.

No-one "jumped" on you, and you are indeed a part of the problem as evidenced by your actions. Either bid a reasonable amount on a trader and inevitably lose, or do what I do and simply don't bid at all. Everyone doing what you're currently doing is contributing to the silly prices. If pointing out the simple facts of the matter constitute "outrageous and hurtful" in your eyes then I sincerely urge you to seek professional help; this is a video game and shouldn't ever be causing those sort of feelings.