Daggerfall Cheaters

badmojo0777b14_ESO · April 2016

WHAT HAPPENED TO PLAYERS NOT BEING ALLWOED TO HAVE DIFFERENT FACTION TOONS ON THE SAME PVP SERVER?

HeroOfNone · April 2016

badmojo0777b14_ESO wrote: »

WHAT HAPPENED TO PLAYERS NOT BEING ALLWOED TO HAVE DIFFERENT FACTION TOONS ON THE SAME PVP SERVER?

They got rid of it, ZOS didn't want to babysit. Didn't matter anyway, since you could always travel to players or join a group and queue into s campaign.

danno8 · April 2016

HeroOfNone wrote: »

The thread eventually got closed for "naming and shaming", but honestly if this is a valid tactic now why couldn't we just list out the names? Did they do anything shameful? Or is it we're just ignoring the issue by saying it's a valid tactic.

Good point. Can't have it both ways.

Either it's all cool and no one should get upset, or it isn't and calling people out is naming and shaming.

By closing that thread ZoS is implicitly stating that it is not a fair tactic.

HeroOfNone · April 2016

danno8 wrote: »

HeroOfNone wrote: »

The thread eventually got closed for "naming and shaming", but honestly if this is a valid tactic now why couldn't we just list out the names? Did they do anything shameful? Or is it we're just ignoring the issue by saying it's a valid tactic.

Good point. Can't have it both ways.

Either it's all cool and no one should get upset, or it isn't and calling people out is naming and shaming.

By closing that thread ZoS is implicitly stating that it is not a fair tactic.

And if it were, the natural counter would be knowing the spy's name so you could work counter intelligence.

Jimbohere · April 2016

Just post their name in your guild message and make sure all the other guilds do the same. Make it so no one will invite or group with that player. Alienate them basically

Gedalya · April 2016

Karamis_Vimardon wrote: »

While it's considered foul play among players, ZOS has stated in the past this is an aspect of the game they won't get involved in. It happens on all factions, all platforms, and you just have to move on as it will continue to occur.

Honestly it's just not an acceptable answer; I would actually be more satisfied if they just admit it's a problem beyond their immediate abilities. The fact is they have made changes to things comparable to this like changes to impact Emperor Flipping.

starlizard70ub17_ESO · April 2016

EdmundTowers wrote: »

I would like to have the option for factions to kill their own scroll runners. In fact, carrying scroll makes the runner no longer immune to friendly fire. Would make defending a runner more interesting, allow factions to kill traitors, and allow traitors to betray their faction in a more interesting way.

Don't you get AP for carrying and/or placing the scroll in a keep? If so, I can see how your suggestion would be abused. Although it would be pretty funny watching a group of enemy faction players killing each other off for a few APs the scroll provides.

smokey13a · April 2016

I haven't checked this thread for a while because well I was using the cake on a new player to level up a bit(i got from lv5 to 42 from just a couple of hours a day, not bad

) but wow I did not expect 31 notifications.

anyway first thanks to everyone that agrees it's a d*** move, second the only reason I call it cheating is because of the way it happened, I mean when I logged in the reds only had the 2 closest keeps and we fought our way across the top of the map to take the scroll (then we took emp and a scroll form the yellows) and then a blue switches their player to a red and just picks up the scroll and runs it back circumventing all the work we did earlier, although reds were still destroying the competition points wise, there was like a 10k point difference between each alliance in scourge on xbox one and the bleus were losing, but still.

myrrrorb14_ESO wrote: »

Nothing can be done that won't be even more egregiously abused.

they cold do something that wouldn't be abused but they just cant be bothered, for example they could make it so only VR level players can remove the scroll from a keep they own(it was a Lv12 that took it) and then they could add a gameplay mechanism so if a player takes a scroll from their keep and then moves more then a certain distance towards either enemy's base(as the only real reason someone would move a scroll would be to move it deeper into your own territory) the player gets kicked and the scrolled gets dropped, just implementing those 2 things would stop like 99.99% of this type of BS and realistically it would take them all of what a couple of hours to do it(at most).

dennissomb16_ESO · April 2016

As soon as ZOS allowed people to have multiple toons in different factions in a PvP game this kind of activity was bound to happen. Before I learned ZOS was ok with this kind of activity I had made a ticket where a group of players were doing a couple of "****ish" moves. One was allowing opposite faction to dragon leap to them to get into keeps fast with no siege and the second was running scroll out to be killed by opposite faction to pick up. ZOS response was that these kinds of game play were perfectly acceptable

ishilb14_ESO · April 2016

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

There really needs to be a place for public shaming of such people.

Yeh it's called the forums. But since it's EP that this happened too I'm not sorry. EP deserves nothing.

SlappyThePoptart · April 2016

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

That's actually pretty clever.

It was clever the first time someone did it. ANY TIME after that notsomuch.
It may not be considered cheating to some...and, may not be punished, BUT, it is by far the most pathetic PVP tactic IMO.
People who do these things are in need of meds. I am ashamed for the Covenant. We are better than that.

Vonbone · April 2016

What ZOS should do is make it to where you can flag a player of the same faction a traitor while carrying a scroll. Have it to it required a set number of people to flag the carrier a traitor for the time he's carrying. Then its open season on him. Problems solved. lol

aLi3nZ · April 2016

I heard someone can banned for t-bagging? Maybe try reporting them for this scroll nonsense and t-bagging.

ajwest927 · April 2016

What do you expect from a blueberry ,cheating is all they know to do, they don't have no honor like us Pactman have.

Lord_Chonus · April 2016

I consider it another challenge you have to overcome in terms of strategy in attacking/defending. Raid leaders should have a contingency plan in place if this happens.

Lord-Stien · April 2016

This is the reason most PVP guild leadership on all faction share a list of not so cool peeps ...

its just another thing to deal with ...

Bofrari · April 2016

DjSolJAH wrote: »

Humphie wrote: »

It is not really cheating. It is just being an as*hole!

Um... It is definitely cheating

Sorry to tell you but its not you can say it is, think it is or even scream that it is but it's not aganist the rules therefore not cheating its playing smart.

Lucius_Aelius · April 2016

Unfortunately this isn't cheating, war is war and whatever works goes. It's unquestionably unsportsmanlike though, and bad form on the part of anyone who tolerates such behavior. There should be a system in place to allow us to stop someone from doing that, just like if it happened for real (if the game were real life) you could just kill the traitor and put the scroll back.

dsalter · April 2016

if this happened in most other faction based games ban hammers get dropped. it's because ZoS won't ban over it is why it happens to begin with.

bloodenragedb14_ESO · April 2016

i hate to be this guy, but cyrodiil is a 'warzone' not a vs match

in war you have traitors, spy's and such

i can understand your frustration, but there is really nothing zos can do about it without someone getting butthurt

from what i know though, that guy must have alot of AP to switch campaigns on two characters, since unless something has changed since i last pvp'ed, no two characters on the same account can be on the same pvp server.

to switch off on the main then switch back, and switch on and off on the alt thats cheating, takes alot of Alliance points.

He is 'paying' for his cheating, but he must find the cost acceptable or something

Lucius_Aelius · April 2016

bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »

i hate to be this guy, but cyrodiil is a 'warzone' not a vs match

in war you have traitors, spy's and such

i can understand your frustration, but there is really nothing zos can do about it without someone getting butthurt

from what i know though, that guy must have alot of AP to switch campaigns on two characters, since unless something has changed since i last pvp'ed, no two characters on the same account can be on the same pvp server.

to switch off on the main then switch back, and switch on and off on the alt thats cheating, takes alot of Alliance points.

He is 'paying' for his cheating, but he must find the cost acceptable or something

They just changed it in their latest patch such that you can now have multiple characters of different alliances on the same campaign, and a lot of people (myself included) are very unhappy about it.

bloodenragedb14_ESO · April 2016

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »

i hate to be this guy, but cyrodiil is a 'warzone' not a vs match

in war you have traitors, spy's and such

i can understand your frustration, but there is really nothing zos can do about it without someone getting butthurt

from what i know though, that guy must have alot of AP to switch campaigns on two characters, since unless something has changed since i last pvp'ed, no two characters on the same account can be on the same pvp server.

to switch off on the main then switch back, and switch on and off on the alt thats cheating, takes alot of Alliance points.

He is 'paying' for his cheating, but he must find the cost acceptable or something

They just changed it in their latest patch such that you can now have multiple characters of different alliances on the same campaign, and a lot of people (myself included) are very unhappy about it.

ah, well still, things happen,

War....war never changes

Van_0S · April 2016

OP, its a known fact that DC are cheaters..... So, there nothing to say about them.

bloodenragedb14_ESO · April 2016

YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »

OP, its a known fact that DC are cheaters..... So, there nothing to say about them.

as the lowest populated faction, i dont blame them, so i dont whine about it

Lucius_Aelius · April 2016

YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »

OP, its a known fact that DC are cheaters..... So, there nothing to say about them.

I don't know what you're talking about and it's possible you're correct, but at least in my experience this isn't even remotely true (any more than it's true of all alliances anyway) and is a gross generalization. I play on Xbox though so maybe on your platform there does happen to be an inordinate number of DC cheaters, but that seems unlikely to me and as a DC loyalist (and a player utterly committed to fair play) I take offense to your assertion.

Van_0S · April 2016

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »

OP, its a known fact that DC are cheaters..... So, there nothing to say about them.

I don't know what you're talking about and it's possible you're correct, but at least in my experience this isn't even remotely true (any more than it's true of all alliances anyway) and is a gross generalization. I play on Xbox though so maybe on your platform there does happen to be an inordinate number of DC cheaters, but that seems unlikely to me and as a DC loyalist (and a player utterly committed to fair play) I take offense to your assertion.

Well, it is true for what I said but in PC- EU only, no idea about PC-NA