Best Sets For Magicka NB?

DangerMan · April 2016

So thanks to the cake I was finally able to get my MagBlade to v16. I'm crafting out gear right now - what are the best options for maximum spell damage in PvP?

I'm thinking 5 Vicious Death, 5 Julianos, 2 Kena. But a lot of people said Julianos isn't the best for PvP due to not being able to crit shields. Are there any other sets I can use instead of the 5 Julianos to replace that crit with increased spell damage?

Also, this is my first v16 Magicka build. My main bar is DW - a lot of people are saying to only gold out 1 sword since the second DW sword only adds 40 spell damage when golded out - is this correct?

Thanks for reading!

Omg_Pwned · April 2016

5 Vicious Death + 5 Alchemist for Zerg Bombing ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ENk6kPwdKc

Uriel_Nocturne · April 2016

I'm curious on this as well.

I have a VR6 Magicka Nightblade who's sitting as a crafting mule right now simply because I can't seem to get him top work right.

Though in all honesty, he may need more help on the Skill side rather than just equipment sets...

Lexxypwns · April 2016

Omg_Pwned wrote: »

5 Vicious Death + 5 Alchemist for Zerg Bombing ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ENk6kPwdKc

If you're looking for the fotm build, this is it. However, you're talking about a 0 skill cheese build that's basically only useful for bombing.

Sunburnt_Penguin · April 2016

I still think Julianos is the best PvP 5 piece for anyone not running VD and possibly Alchemist.

Granted, you can't crit shields but you'll get more crit heals, whilst also getting spell damage and max Magicka. You also make use of the crit when you're not facing a shield.

And as resource management isn't a big deal for MagNBs, I don't see any benefit of running 5 Seducer, Torug's or Magnus over this.

DangerMan · April 2016

Omg_Pwned wrote: »

5 Vicious Death + 5 Alchemist for Zerg Bombing ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ENk6kPwdKc

Yup, I saw that. But that build is heavily reliant on potions. I can achieve the same thing with Molag Kena 2 piece. Which is why I don't want to run the Alchemist Set.

DangerMan · April 2016

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

I'm curious on this as well.

I have a VR6 Magicka Nightblade who's sitting as a crafting mule right now simply because I can't seem to get him top work right.

Though in all honesty, he may need more help on the Skill side rather than just equipment sets...

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Omg_Pwned wrote: »

5 Vicious Death + 5 Alchemist for Zerg Bombing ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ENk6kPwdKc

If you're looking for the fotm build, this is it. However, you're talking about a 0 skill cheese build that's basically only useful for bombing.

Yup, exactly, it's only good as a zerg buster. I want something that is a zerg buster but also good in 1v1 or 1vX. Which is why I prefer Julianos over Alchemist and not be purely dependent on potions..

DangerMan · April 2016

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

I still think Julianos is the best PvP 5 piece for anyone not running VD and possibly Alchemist.

Granted, you can't crit shields but you'll get more crit heals, whilst also getting spell damage and max Magicka. You also make use of the crit when you're not facing a shield.

And as resource management isn't a big deal for MagNBs, I don't see any benefit of running 5 Seducer, Torug's or Magnus over this.

Is there any way I can get 3x spell damage buff with 5 mixed pieces as compared to 2x spell damage buff with Julianos?

Omg_Pwned · April 2016

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Omg_Pwned wrote: »

5 Vicious Death + 5 Alchemist for Zerg Bombing ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ENk6kPwdKc

If you're looking for the fotm build, this is it. However, you're talking about a 0 skill cheese build that's basically only useful for bombing.

Well I wouldnt say its a 0 skill build since you still need to time our attacks, but yeah its easy to take out bigger groups.

Anyways when was the last time you guys had a 1on1 in cyrodill? I just run into bigger groups...

Bfish22090 · April 2016

its tough to light attacks and proc kena in lag. alchemist is easier to use

DangerMan · April 2016

Bfish22090 wrote: »

its tough to light attacks and proc kena in lag. alchemist is easier to use

If not alchemist, what set would you recommend? 5 Julianos or a mix of others?

Strychnox · April 2016

Not another NB

Sunburnt_Penguin · April 2016

DangerMan wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

I still think Julianos is the best PvP 5 piece for anyone not running VD and possibly Alchemist.

Granted, you can't crit shields but you'll get more crit heals, whilst also getting spell damage and max Magicka. You also make use of the crit when you're not facing a shield.

And as resource management isn't a big deal for MagNBs, I don't see any benefit of running 5 Seducer, Torug's or Magnus over this.

Is there any way I can get 3x spell damage buff with 5 mixed pieces as compared to 2x spell damage buff with Julianos?

Yes you could through the below (if you can get all the jewellery for those sets, I'm not sure), but you'd:
1. Have to consider dropping one Kena but unless you're using a Destro or Resto for weaving, it may be hard to proc Kena using DW anyway
2. Miss out on other buffs because you're mixing it up
3. Have to use some v14 gear (Martial or Adroitness)

2x Torug's = 1x SD
4x Martial Knowledge = 2x SD and max magicka
5x VD = 1x SD + whatever else
1x Molag = 1x SD
Plus SD enchants on jewellery.

Or drop Martial for 2x Adroitness, add Kena back in and have another Torug's if you want to use 2x Kena

Honestly though, that's hassle.

kojou · April 2016

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

DangerMan wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

I still think Julianos is the best PvP 5 piece for anyone not running VD and possibly Alchemist.

Granted, you can't crit shields but you'll get more crit heals, whilst also getting spell damage and max Magicka. You also make use of the crit when you're not facing a shield.

And as resource management isn't a big deal for MagNBs, I don't see any benefit of running 5 Seducer, Torug's or Magnus over this.

Is there any way I can get 3x spell damage buff with 5 mixed pieces as compared to 2x spell damage buff with Julianos?

Yes you could through the below (if you can get all the jewellery for those sets, I'm not sure), but you'd:
1. Have to consider dropping one Kena but unless you're using a Destro or Resto for weaving, it may be hard to proc Kena using DW anyway
2. Miss out on other buffs because you're mixing it up
3. Have to use some v14 gear (Martial or Adroitness)

2x Torug's = 1x SD
4x Martial Knowledge = 2x SD and max magicka
5x VD = 1x SD + whatever else
1x Molag = 1x SD
Plus SD enchants on jewellery.

Or drop Martial for 2x Adroitness, add Kena back in and have another Torug's if you want to use 2x Kena

Honestly though, that's hassle.

Overwhelming Surge would give the same as Martial Knowledge in V16. I am running 4 pieces of it with 5 pieces of Julianos on my Templar for a high SD build.

My favorite for PvP right now for my Magiblade (although not a bomb build) is Spell Power Cure, Transmutation, and Molag Kena. The regen + group crit protection on Transmutation is nice along with the spell power group buff that I give just by using Funnel Health.

DangerMan · April 2016

ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

DangerMan wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

I still think Julianos is the best PvP 5 piece for anyone not running VD and possibly Alchemist.

Granted, you can't crit shields but you'll get more crit heals, whilst also getting spell damage and max Magicka. You also make use of the crit when you're not facing a shield.

And as resource management isn't a big deal for MagNBs, I don't see any benefit of running 5 Seducer, Torug's or Magnus over this.

Is there any way I can get 3x spell damage buff with 5 mixed pieces as compared to 2x spell damage buff with Julianos?

Yes you could through the below (if you can get all the jewellery for those sets, I'm not sure), but you'd:
1. Have to consider dropping one Kena but unless you're using a Destro or Resto for weaving, it may be hard to proc Kena using DW anyway
2. Miss out on other buffs because you're mixing it up
3. Have to use some v14 gear (Martial or Adroitness)

2x Torug's = 1x SD
4x Martial Knowledge = 2x SD and max magicka
5x VD = 1x SD + whatever else
1x Molag = 1x SD
Plus SD enchants on jewellery.

Or drop Martial for 2x Adroitness, add Kena back in and have another Torug's if you want to use 2x Kena

Honestly though, that's hassle.

Overwhelming Surge would give the same as Martial Knowledge in V16. I am running 4 pieces of it with 5 pieces of Julianos on my Templar for a high SD build.

My favorite for PvP right now for my Magiblade (although not a bomb build) is Spell Power Cure, Transmutation, and Molag Kena. The regen + group crit protection on Transmutation is nice along with the spell power group buff that I give just by using Funnel Health.

Yea I guess I'll run Martial Knowledge till I can get my 4th Overwhelming Surge piece.

DangerMan · April 2016

@ztyhurstub17_ESO @Sunburnt_Penguin

a lot of people are saying to only gold out 1 sword since the second DW sword only adds 40 spell damage when golded out - is this correct?

Any idea about this?

kojou · April 2016

DangerMan wrote: »

@ztyhurstub17_ESO @Sunburnt_Penguin

a lot of people are saying to only gold out 1 sword since the second DW sword only adds 40 spell damage when golded out - is this correct?

Any idea about this?

40% of a higher number is still a higher number... given the cost of Tempering Alloy I can see the logic, but I always gold both of my end game swords, so I wouldn't know.

DangerMan · April 2016

ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »

DangerMan wrote: »

@ztyhurstub17_ESO @Sunburnt_Penguin

a lot of people are saying to only gold out 1 sword since the second DW sword only adds 40 spell damage when golded out - is this correct?

Any idea about this?

40% of a higher number is still a higher number... given the cost of Tempering Alloy I can see the logic, but I always gold both of my end game swords, so I wouldn't know.

Not 40%, just pure 40 spell damage increase, as compared to the 200 increase when you gold out your 1st DW sword. Given that I'd have to drop 80k at least in turning it into gold, only 40 additional spell damage isn't worth it to me if that's the case..

kojou · April 2016

DangerMan wrote: »

ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »

DangerMan wrote: »

@ztyhurstub17_ESO @Sunburnt_Penguin

a lot of people are saying to only gold out 1 sword since the second DW sword only adds 40 spell damage when golded out - is this correct?

Any idea about this?

40% of a higher number is still a higher number... given the cost of Tempering Alloy I can see the logic, but I always gold both of my end game swords, so I wouldn't know.

Not 40%, just pure 40 spell damage increase, as compared to the 200 increase when you gold out your 1st DW sword. Given that I'd have to drop 80k at least in turning it into gold, only 40 additional spell damage isn't worth it to me if that's the case..

Hmm... I never experimented with it. I always understood it as 40% of the weapon damage of the second weapon, not 40% additional spell damage, but I never did the math to see if I was right.

Sunburnt_Penguin · April 2016

ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

DangerMan wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

I still think Julianos is the best PvP 5 piece for anyone not running VD and possibly Alchemist.

Granted, you can't crit shields but you'll get more crit heals, whilst also getting spell damage and max Magicka. You also make use of the crit when you're not facing a shield.

And as resource management isn't a big deal for MagNBs, I don't see any benefit of running 5 Seducer, Torug's or Magnus over this.

Is there any way I can get 3x spell damage buff with 5 mixed pieces as compared to 2x spell damage buff with Julianos?

Yes you could through the below (if you can get all the jewellery for those sets, I'm not sure), but you'd:
1. Have to consider dropping one Kena but unless you're using a Destro or Resto for weaving, it may be hard to proc Kena using DW anyway
2. Miss out on other buffs because you're mixing it up
3. Have to use some v14 gear (Martial or Adroitness)

2x Torug's = 1x SD
4x Martial Knowledge = 2x SD and max magicka
5x VD = 1x SD + whatever else
1x Molag = 1x SD
Plus SD enchants on jewellery.

Or drop Martial for 2x Adroitness, add Kena back in and have another Torug's if you want to use 2x Kena

Honestly though, that's hassle.

Overwhelming Surge would give the same as Martial Knowledge in V16. I am running 4 pieces of it with 5 pieces of Julianos on my Templar for a high SD build.

My favorite for PvP right now for my Magiblade (although not a bomb build) is Spell Power Cure, Transmutation, and Molag Kena. The regen + group crit protection on Transmutation is nice along with the spell power group buff that I give just by using Funnel Health.

Thanks for this. Firstly, for the info as I wasn't aware of that set, but secondly because it made me find the Essence Thief set which looks interesting for a bow build.

DangerMan · April 2016

ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »

DangerMan wrote: »

ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »

DangerMan wrote: »

@ztyhurstub17_ESO @Sunburnt_Penguin

a lot of people are saying to only gold out 1 sword since the second DW sword only adds 40 spell damage when golded out - is this correct?

Any idea about this?

40% of a higher number is still a higher number... given the cost of Tempering Alloy I can see the logic, but I always gold both of my end game swords, so I wouldn't know.

Not 40%, just pure 40 spell damage increase, as compared to the 200 increase when you gold out your 1st DW sword. Given that I'd have to drop 80k at least in turning it into gold, only 40 additional spell damage isn't worth it to me if that's the case..

Hmm... I never experimented with it. I always understood it as 40% of the weapon damage of the second weapon, not 40% additional spell damage, but I never did the math to see if I was right.

So even if it is 40% of the second weapon, it'll be a 80 increase in spell damage (40% of 200 that you get when you go from purple to gold). Not sure if it's still worth dropping 80k for that too. I'd be willing if I was getting the whole 200, but now I'll have to see lol.. Maybe if I can find some cheap alloys..

Sunburnt_Penguin · April 2016

ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »

DangerMan wrote: »

ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »

DangerMan wrote: »

@ztyhurstub17_ESO @Sunburnt_Penguin

a lot of people are saying to only gold out 1 sword since the second DW sword only adds 40 spell damage when golded out - is this correct?

Any idea about this?

40% of a higher number is still a higher number... given the cost of Tempering Alloy I can see the logic, but I always gold both of my end game swords, so I wouldn't know.

Not 40%, just pure 40 spell damage increase, as compared to the 200 increase when you gold out your 1st DW sword. Given that I'd have to drop 80k at least in turning it into gold, only 40 additional spell damage isn't worth it to me if that's the case..

Hmm... I never experimented with it. I always understood it as 40% of the weapon damage of the second weapon, not 40% additional spell damage, but I never did the math to see if I was right.

Can't help on that sorry, literally no idea.

The only thing I can suggest is screenshot your stats with them as purple. Upgrade one to gold and put it as your main then screenshot again. Then switch your swords around and screenshot before comparing the differences between all three.

kojou · April 2016

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

DangerMan wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

I still think Julianos is the best PvP 5 piece for anyone not running VD and possibly Alchemist.

Granted, you can't crit shields but you'll get more crit heals, whilst also getting spell damage and max Magicka. You also make use of the crit when you're not facing a shield.

And as resource management isn't a big deal for MagNBs, I don't see any benefit of running 5 Seducer, Torug's or Magnus over this.

Is there any way I can get 3x spell damage buff with 5 mixed pieces as compared to 2x spell damage buff with Julianos?

Yes you could through the below (if you can get all the jewellery for those sets, I'm not sure), but you'd:
1. Have to consider dropping one Kena but unless you're using a Destro or Resto for weaving, it may be hard to proc Kena using DW anyway
2. Miss out on other buffs because you're mixing it up
3. Have to use some v14 gear (Martial or Adroitness)

2x Torug's = 1x SD
4x Martial Knowledge = 2x SD and max magicka
5x VD = 1x SD + whatever else
1x Molag = 1x SD
Plus SD enchants on jewellery.

Or drop Martial for 2x Adroitness, add Kena back in and have another Torug's if you want to use 2x Kena

Honestly though, that's hassle.

Overwhelming Surge would give the same as Martial Knowledge in V16. I am running 4 pieces of it with 5 pieces of Julianos on my Templar for a high SD build.

My favorite for PvP right now for my Magiblade (although not a bomb build) is Spell Power Cure, Transmutation, and Molag Kena. The regen + group crit protection on Transmutation is nice along with the spell power group buff that I give just by using Funnel Health.

Thanks for this. Firstly, for the info as I wasn't aware of that set, but secondly because it made me find the Essence Thief set which looks interesting for a bow build.

I experimented with the Essence Thief and the RNG makes the 5th piece bonus not worth it. Not only is it only a chance to get the buff, but it pops out of your target in a random direction like a trap that you have to go stand on. If you didn't have to go chase down the buff "trap" then it would actually be a great set.

Sunburnt_Penguin · April 2016

ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

DangerMan wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

I still think Julianos is the best PvP 5 piece for anyone not running VD and possibly Alchemist.

Granted, you can't crit shields but you'll get more crit heals, whilst also getting spell damage and max Magicka. You also make use of the crit when you're not facing a shield.

And as resource management isn't a big deal for MagNBs, I don't see any benefit of running 5 Seducer, Torug's or Magnus over this.

Is there any way I can get 3x spell damage buff with 5 mixed pieces as compared to 2x spell damage buff with Julianos?

Yes you could through the below (if you can get all the jewellery for those sets, I'm not sure), but you'd:
1. Have to consider dropping one Kena but unless you're using a Destro or Resto for weaving, it may be hard to proc Kena using DW anyway
2. Miss out on other buffs because you're mixing it up
3. Have to use some v14 gear (Martial or Adroitness)

2x Torug's = 1x SD
4x Martial Knowledge = 2x SD and max magicka
5x VD = 1x SD + whatever else
1x Molag = 1x SD
Plus SD enchants on jewellery.

Or drop Martial for 2x Adroitness, add Kena back in and have another Torug's if you want to use 2x Kena

Honestly though, that's hassle.

Overwhelming Surge would give the same as Martial Knowledge in V16. I am running 4 pieces of it with 5 pieces of Julianos on my Templar for a high SD build.

My favorite for PvP right now for my Magiblade (although not a bomb build) is Spell Power Cure, Transmutation, and Molag Kena. The regen + group crit protection on Transmutation is nice along with the spell power group buff that I give just by using Funnel Health.

Thanks for this. Firstly, for the info as I wasn't aware of that set, but secondly because it made me find the Essence Thief set which looks interesting for a bow build.

I experimented with the Essence Thief and the RNG makes the 5th piece bonus not worth it. Not only is it only a chance to get the buff, but it pops out of your target in a random direction like a trap that you have to go stand on. If you didn't have to go chase down the buff "trap" then it would actually be a great set.

I didn't think the 15% chance would be so bad as I typically use light attacks coupled with Relentless Focus/Assassin's Willl & Poison Injection anyway. But yeah, I just imagined it would get consumed the same way something like Funnel Health does. Arsed having to chase it down though.

SneaK · April 2016

I need the VD necklace, but then I'll be running -

Vicious Death 5 PC
jewelry, 1 sword, resto, shoulders

Twice Born Star 5 PC
Armor

Torug's Pact 2 PC
Head, 1 Sword

If I weren't a Bosmer I would run Shadow and Apprentice, but I need the recovery so it'll be Atro and Apprentice.

DangerMan · April 2016

SneaK wrote: »

I need the VD necklace, but then I'll be running -

Vicious Death 5 PC
jewelry, 1 sword, resto, shoulders

Twice Born Star 5 PC
Armor

Torug's Pact 2 PC
Head, 1 Sword

If I weren't a Bosmer I would run Shadow and Apprentice, but I need the recovery so it'll be Atro and Apprentice.

I bought a blue necklace yesterday for 75k.. Purple's are going for 500k on console lol.. And I'm planning to run 3 jewelry and 2 VD swords. 4x Martial Knowledge, 1x Kena, and 2x Torug now..