The problem, as it has always been, is how a person is suppose to distinguish between a pre-planned dual and a fellow alliance member who just got jumped and is fighting for their life and wants help.
With the exception of the situation where several members of each alliance are hanging back and not attacking each other, while two people are having it out in the middle of the crowd, it is nearly impossible to tell if someone wants help or not. And kills can happen way too fast in this game to sit back and try to figure it out.
FortheloveofKrist wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
It is not your actions that determine whether you are toxic or not, it is your intent. If someone interrupts a duel unaware it was a duel that does not make them toxic. If someone interrupts a duel because they see an easy mark that does not necessarily make them toxic either. If someone interrupts a duel with the sheer intention of just interrupting it, well aware it is a duel, for the sake of griefing though then they can be considered toxic.
I totally disagree with this line of thinking (and it's not just you). And unfortunately, I agree with the person you are going back and forth with.
You want to change the entire paradigm presented by PvP in general. It's a warzone where factions are violently opposed to one another. And you want people to observe and see that it's a friendly dual and not have the "intention of simply interrupting it". That is not the scenario that was intended in PvP. We are all at war. If you see randoms dualing, you should attempt to kill the enemy. And I would add another factor that SHOULD be available: you should also be allowed to kill the traitor in your own faction who is in a friendly dual. Unfortunately you can't do that.
So even the intention of breaking up the dual is not "toxic," rather it's keeping in line with the entire story, history, and game design that was intended.
You look goofy and stupid jumping up and down in a war zone just because you want to dual. You can call that toxic, but I consider your interpretation toxic to the environment of the game. So until they add an Arena, I will keep effing up your duals just on principle. I will die every time (squishy squishy NB), cause I'm outnumbered around a group of onlookers. But I spawn 100 ft from here, so good luck finishing a single dual to completion. Not to mention, there is incentive for me to do so: about 800AP for each player killed. Even if I wait and take out only one at a time, that's still a constant steam of AP. So keep dualing, and I'll keep ganking you all one at a time.
Dualing in open PvP is toxic. Get a room.
JamieAubrey wrote: »If you are duelling outside a keep near a resource, I will try and kill you even if AD are yelling in chat for me to stop
No I will not stop, you are duelling in a stupid spot and deserve to be killed.
Any other time if I see you duel or think its a duel I will /s in chat and ask then be on my way
WhitePawPrints wrote: »I once saw in Zone chat this Dueling guild whine and complain about being zerged. They were on Alessia Bridge! The most heavily fought area in the entire zone of Cyrodil in every campaign.
If you're going to duel, stay out of high traffic areas if you want to be left alone. Does this really need to be explained?
mdylan2013 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Once closed PvP aka Arenas and stuff are released this will not be an issue anymore. Maybe. Oh who am I kidding toxic players will still manage to muck up the experience lol
Toxic players, as in those who kill opposing players in pvp...?
But what about imurshun...only the nords would posdibly not look to kill an enemy on sight if in a duel already...
I kill or at least attempt to kill any opposing faction players that I see. Not my concern that they're duelling.
Are you a ps4 eu player?
The problem, as it has always been, is how a person is suppose to distinguish between a pre-planned dual and a fellow alliance member who just got jumped and is fighting for their life and wants help.
With the exception of the situation where several members of each alliance are hanging back and not attacking each other, while two people are having it out in the middle of the crowd, it is nearly impossible to tell if someone wants help or not. And kills can happen way too fast in this game to sit back and try to figure it out.
UltimaJoe777 wrote: »This topic is so far beyond derailed it's not even funny, and how more than swirve managed to interpret what I said as what he keeps trying to claim is beyond me.
I'll make this short so as not to create a text wall no one wants to read: OP has a point, and no one was contesting it. Choosing your duel locations with care is essential to having one in peace. Those that dislike when a duel is interrupted were simply voicing their opinions on how duels in remote areas could be interrupted as well which would indeed suck because if they can't even duel there where can they duel? Hence the mention of arenas. No one is labeling anyone toxic for interrupting duels or trying to enforce their own perception on anyone so please stop making those accusations as they are pointless and only serve to attempt to start pointless arguments. All mentions of toxicity are purely based on intent of the individual which is usually brought about by trolls/griefers who do this sort of thing in all sorts of ways, not just interrupting duels or anything regarding PvP. PvE has toxic players too ya know. Admittedly as someone stated somewhere (maybe in this thread I don't remember lol) such players are not THAT common in-game. If anything these forums are the majority of all toxicity in TESO.
Hopefully this clears up all the misunderstandings that have been occuring throughout this thread and we can get on with discussing the topic at hand which is choosing your duel site properly.
Purdomination33 wrote: »JamieAubrey wrote: »If you are duelling outside a keep near a resource, I will try and kill you even if AD are yelling in chat for me to stop
No I will not stop, you are duelling in a stupid spot and deserve to be killed.
Any other time if I see you duel or think its a duel I will /s in chat and ask then be on my way
Someone asks you not to do something. You know good and well why they asked you. Yet for no reason other than to be a pain in the ass you do exactly what they ask you not to do. And for some reason feel like you should post on a forum about it. Grow up kid.
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