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I don't mind running into duels but.....

  • danno8
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    The problem, as it has always been, is how a person is suppose to distinguish between a pre-planned dual and a fellow alliance member who just got jumped and is fighting for their life and wants help.

    With the exception of the situation where several members of each alliance are hanging back and not attacking each other, while two people are having it out in the middle of the crowd, it is nearly impossible to tell if someone wants help or not. And kills can happen way too fast in this game to sit back and try to figure it out.
  • nine9six
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    danno8 wrote: »
    The problem, as it has always been, is how a person is suppose to distinguish between a pre-planned dual and a fellow alliance member who just got jumped and is fighting for their life and wants help.

    With the exception of the situation where several members of each alliance are hanging back and not attacking each other, while two people are having it out in the middle of the crowd, it is nearly impossible to tell if someone wants help or not. And kills can happen way too fast in this game to sit back and try to figure it out.

    Yeah that can be a problem, but it hasn't happened to me yet (when I find out them out in BFE). Out that far and 1v1 I assume Duel. Usually, the good number of people standing around with mixed alliances gives it away, but that isn't always the case.

    Sometimes the Duel stops for a second when I arrive and we all acknowledge each other. That kind of messes up what they have going and gives each Dueler time to adjust tactics, but I can't help that I came across you. Better to do that than dive in, I guess.

    Sounds like the Arena thing will help with this, though?
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  • mdylan2013
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    It is not your actions that determine whether you are toxic or not, it is your intent. If someone interrupts a duel unaware it was a duel that does not make them toxic. If someone interrupts a duel because they see an easy mark that does not necessarily make them toxic either. If someone interrupts a duel with the sheer intention of just interrupting it, well aware it is a duel, for the sake of griefing though then they can be considered toxic.

    I totally disagree with this line of thinking (and it's not just you). And unfortunately, I agree with the person you are going back and forth with.

    You want to change the entire paradigm presented by PvP in general. It's a warzone where factions are violently opposed to one another. And you want people to observe and see that it's a friendly dual and not have the "intention of simply interrupting it". That is not the scenario that was intended in PvP. We are all at war. If you see randoms dualing, you should attempt to kill the enemy. And I would add another factor that SHOULD be available: you should also be allowed to kill the traitor in your own faction who is in a friendly dual. Unfortunately you can't do that.

    So even the intention of breaking up the dual is not "toxic," rather it's keeping in line with the entire story, history, and game design that was intended.

    You look goofy and stupid jumping up and down in a war zone just because you want to dual. You can call that toxic, but I consider your interpretation toxic to the environment of the game. So until they add an Arena, I will keep effing up your duals just on principle. I will die every time (squishy squishy NB), cause I'm outnumbered around a group of onlookers. But I spawn 100 ft from here, so good luck finishing a single dual to completion. Not to mention, there is incentive for me to do so: about 800AP for each player killed. Even if I wait and take out only one at a time, that's still a constant steam of AP. So keep dualing, and I'll keep ganking you all one at a time.

    Dualing in open PvP is toxic. Get a room.



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  • Purdomination33
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    If you are duelling outside a keep near a resource, I will try and kill you even if AD are yelling in chat for me to stop
    No I will not stop, you are duelling in a stupid spot and deserve to be killed.

    Any other time if I see you duel or think its a duel I will /s in chat and ask then be on my way

    Someone asks you not to do something. You know good and well why they asked you. Yet for no reason other than to be a pain in the ass you do exactly what they ask you not to do. And for some reason feel like you should post on a forum about it. Grow up kid.

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    Edited by ZOS_CoriJ on April 12, 2016 4:06PM
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  • SlappyThePoptart
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    I have wandered into a few duels right next to resources before. I decided not to interrupt it. Just a few moments later, an enemy group rolled through and killed me. I decided then that the "dueling" enemy was most likely a scout as well. SO...while i respect your duels...I will treat any enemies on a friendly resource/keep/outpost as hostile. Just keep off the war path folks...and, don't get upset when people don't give you a "time out" from battle, so you can duel.
    JUST an idea...take the duels into IC, go to a district no one cares to farm...and, save some soul gems by rezzing to a really close respawn at base.
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  • Odditorium
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    I agree with the op. With all the things in this game that need improvement or fixing, making an arena so people can measure their swords is a terrible idea. Prove your prowess on the battlefield. Lead a group successfully or be part of one. The pvp in this game is not meant for 1 one 1 duels it is meant for battles.

    There's so much whining for fixes and opinions about how individuals want to play this game. Cyrodiil is fine without a need for arenas. If you really feel that you need to duel do it somewhere far from objectives like keeps, skyshards and quest hubs.

    Maybe when they improve Cyrodill performance and fix things like Critical Rush pathing I might support arenas. Imagine if you were getting ganked by someone who was no longer able to use exploits or a macro to one-shot you or there wasn't so much lag that vigor would actually go off when you want it to and not after you've been rezzed. That would curb the need to reprove yourself because it may have been a reasonably fair fight.
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  • WhitePawPrints
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    I once saw in Zone chat this Dueling guild whine and complain about being zerged. They were on Alessia Bridge! The most heavily fought area in the entire zone of Cyrodil in every campaign.

    If you're going to duel, stay out of high traffic areas if you want to be left alone. Does this really need to be explained?
  • ThePonzzz
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    Dueling outside a keep or resource though is pretty rude to expect anyone to conform to allowing it. Cyrodiil is huge, you can easily hide out and do it anywhere. But when we are talking about the intended gameplay of the area in a place that usually means an alliance is about to attack? Nope. If you see one person, there could be an entire raid in stealth.

    If there is an actual duel going on, then they should just rez and move. Not like death in PvP means anything other than a boost in the victor's AP. If you actually lost something, then sure, it can be a bit of a jerk move. If they didn't have someone to rez them, then it's not really a prepared duel to begin with.
  • danno8
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    I once saw in Zone chat this Dueling guild whine and complain about being zerged. They were on Alessia Bridge! The most heavily fought area in the entire zone of Cyrodil in every campaign.

    If you're going to duel, stay out of high traffic areas if you want to be left alone. Does this really need to be explained?

    In AD we don't fight for Alessia anymore. Every day the rallying cry is "For the Bridge!!"
  • SlappyThePoptart
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    If they didn't have someone to rez them, then it's not really a prepared duel to begin with.[/quote]

    OR they didn't plan on dying...THAT'S BAWSE! lol

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  • DjKahun
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    mdylan2013 wrote: »
    swirve wrote: »
    Once closed PvP aka Arenas and stuff are released this will not be an issue anymore. Maybe. Oh who am I kidding toxic players will still manage to muck up the experience lol

    Toxic players, as in those who kill opposing players in pvp...?

    But what about imurshun...only the nords would posdibly not look to kill an enemy on sight if in a duel already...

    I kill or at least attempt to kill any opposing faction players that I see. Not my concern that they're duelling.

    Are you a ps4 eu player? :)


    I would just wait for the duel finish then duel the person that won if he's from the other faction of course. I like watching people duel and I love duelling myself
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  • Shelgon
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    danno8 wrote: »
    The problem, as it has always been, is how a person is suppose to distinguish between a pre-planned dual and a fellow alliance member who just got jumped and is fighting for their life and wants help.

    With the exception of the situation where several members of each alliance are hanging back and not attacking each other, while two people are having it out in the middle of the crowd, it is nearly impossible to tell if someone wants help or not. And kills can happen way too fast in this game to sit back and try to figure it out.

    If a fight is a 1v1 and it looks promising, i will stay, watch, and not help, regardless of whether or not it was organized.
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  • UltimaJoe777
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    This topic is so far beyond derailed it's not even funny, and how more than swirve managed to interpret what I said as what he keeps trying to claim is beyond me.

    I'll make this short so as not to create a text wall no one wants to read: OP has a point, and no one was contesting it. Choosing your duel locations with care is essential to having one in peace. Those that dislike when a duel is interrupted were simply voicing their opinions on how duels in remote areas could be interrupted as well which would indeed suck because if they can't even duel there where can they duel? Hence the mention of arenas. No one is labeling anyone toxic for interrupting duels or trying to enforce their own perception on anyone so please stop making those accusations as they are pointless and only serve to attempt to start pointless arguments. All mentions of toxicity are purely based on intent of the individual which is usually brought about by trolls/griefers who do this sort of thing in all sorts of ways, not just interrupting duels or anything regarding PvP. PvE has toxic players too ya know. Admittedly as someone stated somewhere (maybe in this thread I don't remember lol) such players are not THAT common in-game. If anything these forums are the majority of all toxicity in TESO.

    Hopefully this clears up all the misunderstandings that have been occuring throughout this thread and we can get on with discussing the topic at hand which is choosing your duel site properly.
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  • Danksta
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    I will attempt to kill and fail miserably every time I see duelers.
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  • NovaMarx
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    This topic is so far beyond derailed it's not even funny, and how more than swirve managed to interpret what I said as what he keeps trying to claim is beyond me.

    I'll make this short so as not to create a text wall no one wants to read: OP has a point, and no one was contesting it. Choosing your duel locations with care is essential to having one in peace. Those that dislike when a duel is interrupted were simply voicing their opinions on how duels in remote areas could be interrupted as well which would indeed suck because if they can't even duel there where can they duel? Hence the mention of arenas. No one is labeling anyone toxic for interrupting duels or trying to enforce their own perception on anyone so please stop making those accusations as they are pointless and only serve to attempt to start pointless arguments. All mentions of toxicity are purely based on intent of the individual which is usually brought about by trolls/griefers who do this sort of thing in all sorts of ways, not just interrupting duels or anything regarding PvP. PvE has toxic players too ya know. Admittedly as someone stated somewhere (maybe in this thread I don't remember lol) such players are not THAT common in-game. If anything these forums are the majority of all toxicity in TESO.

    Hopefully this clears up all the misunderstandings that have been occuring throughout this thread and we can get on with discussing the topic at hand which is choosing your duel site properly.

    *Applauds* Well said! :wink:
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  • JamieAubrey
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    If you are duelling outside a keep near a resource, I will try and kill you even if AD are yelling in chat for me to stop
    No I will not stop, you are duelling in a stupid spot and deserve to be killed.

    Any other time if I see you duel or think its a duel I will /s in chat and ask then be on my way

    Someone asks you not to do something. You know good and well why they asked you. Yet for no reason other than to be a pain in the ass you do exactly what they ask you not to do. And for some reason feel like you should post on a forum about it. Grow up kid.

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    Huh ? If I see an enemy near a resource duelling or not I will kill them, no matter what people are saying in chat.

    #1 They shouldn't be duelling near any keep/res so they deserve to die
    #2 Like I said if they are in the middle of nowhere I will leave them too it
    #3 I grew up from being a kid 15 years ago now
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