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[VIDEO] Blazing Shield Templar Tank - Against the World

  • Synozeer
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    Synozeer wrote: »
    I'm running different builds in at least half those clips. Most have Fasalla's, many are in Reactive, a couple in Seducer, and the last clip is using Vicious Death. Also, many are running the health + magicka regen food, but a couple might be in purple tristat food. Not sure if any clips made it when I was running Bahraha's Curse. I think I'm very close to finalizing the gear I'm going to use, although I will probably have different setups for running solo/small group vs. running with a large group.

    Do you ever work proxy det into your rotation?

    Because of my low magicka and spell damage, it doesn't hit hard. Tried it when I first started testing but it was only hitting for like 2-4k damage.
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  • Baconlad
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    The absolutely BEAUTIFUL thing with builds like this are that you are encouraged to NOT run away, contrary to almost every other build out there. With my set up using permafrost and orgnums are that I still seem to have a hard time getting my health up, but in order to block more I sacrifice a lot of magica regen for block cost reduction
  • Baconlad
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    The biggest issue in running across is trying to ensure a hard hitting blazing shield against impen builds. So I'm juggling between crit damage and spell penetration. Another issue is I don't even KNOW if spell penetration affects blazing shield
  • AbraXuSeXile
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    Don't try it guys, I've done more blazing shield builds than i can think of and you get a few kills if your lucky enough to find enough bads. Anyone with more than 10IQ is just going to laugh at how helpless you really are like a magikarp.

    I don't mean to put a downer on the video but it's easy to show any build good if you find enough utterly bad players.
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    Don't try it guys, I've done more blazing shield builds than i can think of and you get a few kills if your lucky enough to find enough bads. Anyone with more than 10IQ is just going to laugh at how helpless you really are like a magikarp.

    I don't mean to put a downer on the video but it's easy to show any build good if you find enough utterly bad players.
    Last patch I made it work with kags and was the tankiest rez Templar in the game. You can also perform a scouting role quite well. In this patch you can be a left click siege hero in dangerous locations on a BS build.

    I agree it's not as easy as it looks and hard to get kills - you play with barebones mag and stam and resource management is difficult.

    For me it wasn't about the kills, it was the cathartic ability to have a 15 min long solo or smallman fight and give wrobel's oneshot dps meta the middle finger. Yes, I trolled many a red and yellow on the build, but quite a few would whisper me after fights and express how much they enjoyed the long fight. anything that encourages longer fights and shifts away from the perpetual dps metas weve had is good in my book.

    The drawback is how many potions you burn through...
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    Don't try it guys, I've done more blazing shield builds than i can think of and you get a few kills if your lucky enough to find enough bads. Anyone with more than 10IQ is just going to laugh at how helpless you really are like a magikarp.

    I don't mean to put a downer on the video but it's easy to show any build good if you find enough utterly bad players.


    But there's so many bad players out there.

    I ran this last night and had a lot of success defending keeps with it.
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    Good player. Good build. Good music.

    Do heavy staff attacks return a percentage of your magicka pool or a base amount? If the latter, staff on off bar might be something to consider for the low magicka pool.
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    Zheg wrote: »
    For me it wasn't about the kills, it was the cathartic ability to have a 15 min long solo or smallman fight and give wrobel's oneshot dps meta the middle finger. Yes, I trolled many a red and yellow on the build, but quite a few would whisper me after fights and express how much they enjoyed the long fight. anything that encourages longer fights and shifts away from the perpetual dps metas weve had is good in my book.

    The drawback is how many potions you burn through...

    Every time I run any sort of low damage tank build, my frustrations are washed away by the fact that I am defying that disgusting burst meta. All the time theorycrafing, all the deaths, its all worth it to defy what PvP has become.
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    sick build man
  • Baconlad
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    Yeah, hard for some folks to imagine not giving two *** about getting the kill. But we love the troll! Another fun part about fighting solo ranged builds, if they realize you're not doing any damage, they kinda "forget" to defend themselves and focus everything on damage, so when ur shields about to pop, a good timed charge will *** their worlds up, kinda funny watchin them stop DPS and stumble back like..."WTF JUST HAPPENED". needless to say I have learned on my magick temp to stay away from those builds. One build I would LOVE to have is a particular AD temp on NA haderus. He has 63k health and seems ten times more survivable than me, hell jump into a half raid of enemies solo and WRECK FACE. At 63k health his shield hits for over 10k a pop...
  • PainfulFAFA
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    Don't try it guys, I've done more blazing shield builds than i can think of and you get a few kills if your lucky enough to find enough bads. Anyone with more than 10IQ is just going to laugh at how helpless you really are like a magikarp.

    I don't mean to put a downer on the video but it's easy to show any build good if you find enough utterly bad players.

    Hmm more like
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    9000k hp anyone? :open_mouth:
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    Baconlad wrote: »
    Yeah, hard for some folks to imagine not giving two *** about getting the kill. But we love the troll! Another fun part about fighting solo ranged builds, if they realize you're not doing any damage, they kinda "forget" to defend themselves and focus everything on damage, so when ur shields about to pop, a good timed charge will *** their worlds up, kinda funny watchin them stop DPS and stumble back like..."WTF JUST HAPPENED". needless to say I have learned on my magick temp to stay away from those builds. One build I would LOVE to have is a particular AD temp on NA haderus. He has 63k health and seems ten times more survivable than me, hell jump into a half raid of enemies solo and WRECK FACE. At 63k health his shield hits for over 10k a pop...

    @Baconlad If this was Haderus a week or so ago, there was a Templar Blazing Shield tank that was Emperor. That might be why he seemed so strong at the time.

    The 63k health sound about right iirc.
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    danno8 wrote: »
    Baconlad wrote: »
    Yeah, hard for some folks to imagine not giving two *** about getting the kill. But we love the troll! Another fun part about fighting solo ranged builds, if they realize you're not doing any damage, they kinda "forget" to defend themselves and focus everything on damage, so when ur shields about to pop, a good timed charge will *** their worlds up, kinda funny watchin them stop DPS and stumble back like..."WTF JUST HAPPENED". needless to say I have learned on my magick temp to stay away from those builds. One build I would LOVE to have is a particular AD temp on NA haderus. He has 63k health and seems ten times more survivable than me, hell jump into a half raid of enemies solo and WRECK FACE. At 63k health his shield hits for over 10k a pop...

    @Baconlad If this was Haderus a week or so ago, there was a Templar Blazing Shield tank that was Emperor. That might be why he seemed so strong at the time.

    The 63k health sound about right iirc.

    As emp a blazing shield templar should be closer to 100k or more hp, all of the ones I know already run 50-60k hp without emp.
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    If you stack health to 63K then you are pretty much sacrificing other stats like regen and good 5 piece set bonuses. I prefer more survivability and utility with this kind of build rather than just making it just a zerg diver.

    There was a blazing shield emp a couple weeks ago, but he had around 70k health.
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  • AriBoh
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    I miss my blazing shield....... :(
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  • PenguinInACan
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    Synozeer wrote: »
    If you stack health to 63K then you are pretty much sacrificing other stats like regen and good 5 piece set bonuses. I prefer more survivability and utility with this kind of build rather than just making it just a zerg diver.

    There was a blazing shield emp a couple weeks ago, but he had around 70k health.

    I've run 60K+ hp before. Definitely not optimal. But if i wanted a more optimal build I probably wouldn't run a shield build. Plus, it was either that or put on my Akatosh and troll around like that. Which is all good and fun until you remember you are wearing lvl 48 armor...

    Awesome video though. Fun to see other people playing away from the easy meta.
    Edited by PenguinInACan on April 7, 2016 10:51PM
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    Ghost-Shot wrote: »
    danno8 wrote: »
    Baconlad wrote: »
    Yeah, hard for some folks to imagine not giving two *** about getting the kill. But we love the troll! Another fun part about fighting solo ranged builds, if they realize you're not doing any damage, they kinda "forget" to defend themselves and focus everything on damage, so when ur shields about to pop, a good timed charge will *** their worlds up, kinda funny watchin them stop DPS and stumble back like..."WTF JUST HAPPENED". needless to say I have learned on my magick temp to stay away from those builds. One build I would LOVE to have is a particular AD temp on NA haderus. He has 63k health and seems ten times more survivable than me, hell jump into a half raid of enemies solo and WRECK FACE. At 63k health his shield hits for over 10k a pop...

    @Baconlad If this was Haderus a week or so ago, there was a Templar Blazing Shield tank that was Emperor. That might be why he seemed so strong at the time.

    The 63k health sound about right iirc.

    As emp a blazing shield templar should be closer to 100k or more hp, all of the ones I know already run 50-60k hp without emp.

    Sorry to be clear, he gave off the impression of a Templar tank by using blazing shield to take advantage of the big health pool bonus.

    So to someone who didn't realize that he was emperor it would appear as though he was just a high health Templar blazing shield tank.
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    Nice vid, I really need to upload my templar footage from a few months back.
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    danno8 wrote: »
    Ghost-Shot wrote: »
    danno8 wrote: »
    Baconlad wrote: »
    Yeah, hard for some folks to imagine not giving two *** about getting the kill. But we love the troll! Another fun part about fighting solo ranged builds, if they realize you're not doing any damage, they kinda "forget" to defend themselves and focus everything on damage, so when ur shields about to pop, a good timed charge will *** their worlds up, kinda funny watchin them stop DPS and stumble back like..."WTF JUST HAPPENED". needless to say I have learned on my magick temp to stay away from those builds. One build I would LOVE to have is a particular AD temp on NA haderus. He has 63k health and seems ten times more survivable than me, hell jump into a half raid of enemies solo and WRECK FACE. At 63k health his shield hits for over 10k a pop...

    @Baconlad If this was Haderus a week or so ago, there was a Templar Blazing Shield tank that was Emperor. That might be why he seemed so strong at the time.

    The 63k health sound about right iirc.

    As emp a blazing shield templar should be closer to 100k or more hp, all of the ones I know already run 50-60k hp without emp.

    Sorry to be clear, he gave off the impression of a Templar tank by using blazing shield to take advantage of the big health pool bonus.

    So to someone who didn't realize that he was emperor it would appear as though he was just a high health Templar blazing shield tank.

    Ah I see what you're saying, I guess even if you don't ordinarily run a blazing shield build it makes sense to slot it as emp since you just get a lot of hp regardless, those shields are insane as emp on an actual blazing shield templar!
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    danno8 wrote: »
    Baconlad wrote: »
    Yeah, hard for some folks to imagine not giving two *** about getting the kill. But we love the troll! Another fun part about fighting solo ranged builds, if they realize you're not doing any damage, they kinda "forget" to defend themselves and focus everything on damage, so when ur shields about to pop, a good timed charge will *** their worlds up, kinda funny watchin them stop DPS and stumble back like..."WTF JUST HAPPENED". needless to say I have learned on my magick temp to stay away from those builds. One build I would LOVE to have is a particular AD temp on NA haderus. He has 63k health and seems ten times more survivable than me, hell jump into a half raid of enemies solo and WRECK FACE. At 63k health his shield hits for over 10k a pop...

    @Baconlad If this was Haderus a week or so ago, there was a Templar Blazing Shield tank that was Emperor. That might be why he seemed so strong at the time.

    The 63k health sound about right iirc.

    @danno8 - I run with that player. That was a templar with high health, but wasn't the blazing shield "tank" that invests all their resources into health the way the OP's build does. Rather, I would gather it's an emperor build with a high enough health pool to do the sorts of things a dedicated blazing shield build can do, plus what a more traditional magicka templar can do. The best of both worlds so-to-speak.
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    danno8 wrote: »
    Baconlad wrote: »
    Yeah, hard for some folks to imagine not giving two *** about getting the kill. But we love the troll! Another fun part about fighting solo ranged builds, if they realize you're not doing any damage, they kinda "forget" to defend themselves and focus everything on damage, so when ur shields about to pop, a good timed charge will *** their worlds up, kinda funny watchin them stop DPS and stumble back like..."WTF JUST HAPPENED". needless to say I have learned on my magick temp to stay away from those builds. One build I would LOVE to have is a particular AD temp on NA haderus. He has 63k health and seems ten times more survivable than me, hell jump into a half raid of enemies solo and WRECK FACE. At 63k health his shield hits for over 10k a pop...

    @Baconlad If this was Haderus a week or so ago, there was a Templar Blazing Shield tank that was Emperor. That might be why he seemed so strong at the time.

    The 63k health sound about right iirc.

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    Ghostbane wrote: »
    danno8 wrote: »
    Baconlad wrote: »
    Yeah, hard for some folks to imagine not giving two *** about getting the kill. But we love the troll! Another fun part about fighting solo ranged builds, if they realize you're not doing any damage, they kinda "forget" to defend themselves and focus everything on damage, so when ur shields about to pop, a good timed charge will *** their worlds up, kinda funny watchin them stop DPS and stumble back like..."WTF JUST HAPPENED". needless to say I have learned on my magick temp to stay away from those builds. One build I would LOVE to have is a particular AD temp on NA haderus. He has 63k health and seems ten times more survivable than me, hell jump into a half raid of enemies solo and WRECK FACE. At 63k health his shield hits for over 10k a pop...

    @Baconlad If this was Haderus a week or so ago, there was a Templar Blazing Shield tank that was Emperor. That might be why he seemed so strong at the time.

    The 63k health sound about right iirc.

    Mojar as BWB Emp min/maxed to 135k health...

    I think it is funny that 135k health emperor using Blazing Shield would only get a 24k shield - which is about the same size as a Sorcerer Hardened Ward in PvE. :(

    Just to highlight how gutted BS has become in PvP for your average Templar.
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    danno8 wrote: »
    Baconlad wrote: »
    Yeah, hard for some folks to imagine not giving two *** about getting the kill. But we love the troll! Another fun part about fighting solo ranged builds, if they realize you're not doing any damage, they kinda "forget" to defend themselves and focus everything on damage, so when ur shields about to pop, a good timed charge will *** their worlds up, kinda funny watchin them stop DPS and stumble back like..."WTF JUST HAPPENED". needless to say I have learned on my magick temp to stay away from those builds. One build I would LOVE to have is a particular AD temp on NA haderus. He has 63k health and seems ten times more survivable than me, hell jump into a half raid of enemies solo and WRECK FACE. At 63k health his shield hits for over 10k a pop...

    @Baconlad If this was Haderus a week or so ago, there was a Templar Blazing Shield tank that was Emperor. That might be why he seemed so strong at the time.

    The 63k health sound about right iirc.

    @danno8 - I run with that player. That was a templar with high health, but wasn't the blazing shield "tank" that invests all their resources into health the way the OP's build does. Rather, I would gather it's an emperor build with a high enough health pool to do the sorts of things a dedicated blazing shield build can do, plus what a more traditional magicka templar can do. The best of both worlds so-to-speak.

    Yah I clarified to that point in my subsequent post.
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    danno8 wrote: »
    Baconlad wrote: »
    Yeah, hard for some folks to imagine not giving two *** about getting the kill. But we love the troll! Another fun part about fighting solo ranged builds, if they realize you're not doing any damage, they kinda "forget" to defend themselves and focus everything on damage, so when ur shields about to pop, a good timed charge will *** their worlds up, kinda funny watchin them stop DPS and stumble back like..."WTF JUST HAPPENED". needless to say I have learned on my magick temp to stay away from those builds. One build I would LOVE to have is a particular AD temp on NA haderus. He has 63k health and seems ten times more survivable than me, hell jump into a half raid of enemies solo and WRECK FACE. At 63k health his shield hits for over 10k a pop...

    @Baconlad If this was Haderus a week or so ago, there was a Templar Blazing Shield tank that was Emperor. That might be why he seemed so strong at the time.

    The 63k health sound about right iirc.

    @danno8 - I run with that player. That was a templar with high health, but wasn't the blazing shield "tank" that invests all their resources into health the way the OP's build does. Rather, I would gather it's an emperor build with a high enough health pool to do the sorts of things a dedicated blazing shield build can do, plus what a more traditional magicka templar can do. The best of both worlds so-to-speak.
    Build sounds very good. It is more like old magicka templar builds before blazing shield get rekt. Nowadays you need to be emperor to have your old build. How pathetic..

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    danno8 wrote: »
    Ghostbane wrote: »
    danno8 wrote: »
    Baconlad wrote: »
    Yeah, hard for some folks to imagine not giving two *** about getting the kill. But we love the troll! Another fun part about fighting solo ranged builds, if they realize you're not doing any damage, they kinda "forget" to defend themselves and focus everything on damage, so when ur shields about to pop, a good timed charge will *** their worlds up, kinda funny watchin them stop DPS and stumble back like..."WTF JUST HAPPENED". needless to say I have learned on my magick temp to stay away from those builds. One build I would LOVE to have is a particular AD temp on NA haderus. He has 63k health and seems ten times more survivable than me, hell jump into a half raid of enemies solo and WRECK FACE. At 63k health his shield hits for over 10k a pop...

    @Baconlad If this was Haderus a week or so ago, there was a Templar Blazing Shield tank that was Emperor. That might be why he seemed so strong at the time.

    The 63k health sound about right iirc.

    Mojar as BWB Emp min/maxed to 135k health...

    I think it is funny that 135k health emperor using Blazing Shield would only get a 24k shield - which is about the same size as a Sorcerer Hardened Ward in PvE. :(

    Just to highlight how gutted BS has become in PvP for your average Templar.

    With the only difference that you shield and deal damage at the same time. And with that much HP it should be possible for him to oneshot players using the shield.

    I have to say though, this is the funniest build I've run in a long time. Especially when players run away just from looking at you. :D
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  • Baconlad
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    nay 24k shield huh? Say that again when you remember that it increases up to 24% when around enemies. Also that shield when it pops and cries will hit for your entire health pool. It is "literally" the strongest hitting ability in game, although you need to be emp to get those numbers, it makes it possible to hot AOE (!!!!!) for potentially 30k health to ALL ENEMIES around you.... that is ridiculous... and for the naysayers saying you need to be specced health for it to bee effective, my 27k magic build has a 6k shield, which is higher than healing ward cast at full health. It explodes for half that, is CRITTABLE and has a chance to proc a 6k burning light crit...soo it's no where near as broken as people think
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    Sorry spelling errors. Stupid auto correct on my tablet
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    Tried this build on my Breton a while back, only got a measly 40K health so my shield was tiny, I'd like to try it on an Imperial though after DB.

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    Baconlad wrote: »
    nay 24k shield huh? Say that again when you remember that it increases up to 24% when around enemies. Also that shield when it pops and cries will hit for your entire health pool. It is "literally" the strongest hitting ability in game, although you need to be emp to get those numbers, it makes it possible to hot AOE (!!!!!) for potentially 30k health to ALL ENEMIES around you.... that is ridiculous... and for the naysayers saying you need to be specced health for it to bee effective, my 27k magic build has a 6k shield, which is higher than healing ward cast at full health. It explodes for half that, is CRITTABLE and has a chance to proc a 6k burning light crit...soo it's no where near as broken as people think

    It is such a niche case it was barely worth mentioning.

    And it's no more scary than other Emperor builds that have 80k magicka or stamina giving them massive shields and damage from normal spammable AoE or magicka detonation.
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    TheValkyn wrote: »
    Tried this build on my Breton a while back, only got a measly 40K health so my shield was tiny, I'd like to try it on an Imperial though after DB.

    @WillhelmBlack

    Why are you waiting until after Dark Brotherhood? I don't watch ESO Live. It makes me nauseous.

    They're removing veteran ranks then. So I can grind out my imperial Templar to 50 on a day off.
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