Stam Sorc and Crit Surge

acw37162 · April 2016

Can anyone explain to me the following;

Uppercut and it's morphs are physical damage are considered a channel, which allows through ESO programming logic for the skill to be buffed by the champion point thamaturge and mighty.

Rapid Strike and its morphs are physical damage and considered a DOT/channel, which allows through ESO programming logic for the skill to be buffer by the champion point thamaturge and mighty.

If uppercuts crits and you have Crit Surge up you get a significant burst heal.

If any of the incremental hits from rapid strikes crit you get nothing.

These two skills are comparable single target direct damage skills; while Wrecking Blow is hands down better because of the hard CC and the empower skill wise they are roughly the same channel time and comparative damage if everything hits.

Why then does WB get a heal when and rapid strikes does not when all other conditions are the same or similar?

I'm asking because I'm honestly tired of 2H it seems like at every turn you are either directly or indirectly pushed to 2H and it's honestly kinda frustrating

Steel_Brightblade · April 2016

I agree, I like the dual wield skills but thinks to crits not healing there is no point I'm using it on my stamina sorcerer, particularly frustrating since I've had over 30K damage from flurries.

KingShocker · April 2016

I also agree with this 100%. And honestly WB is a frustrating stupid ability anyways. it's a I win spam button in pvp and yes it has it's counters but the best counter to it is to simply walk through a player while they wind up and clip through them. there's times where I roll dodge then hit a ball of lightning and I still get hit by it. it's like once the cast has started it's range doesn't matter anymore (although latency could be a factor for this).

sorry got a little off topic here. I wan't my DW stam sorc to work so badly but you're right, it's back to being forced back into two-handers just to be competitive.

Emma_Overload · April 2016

Stam sorcs have been complaining about this forever, but ZOS has never acknowledged the problems with Surge and Dual Wield abilities.

Surge used to be one of the best spells in the game, but I get the feeling the devs don't want us to use it.

Browiseth · April 2016

Please get on this zosimax. I'm very dedicated to not maining two handers on my Sorc, so I'll be spamming Rapid Strikes till the end of time regardless but...Feeling like it's working with the rest of my character like it should would be really, really amazing.

Jar_Ek · April 2016

Surge was awesome but now everyone has access to a major brutality buff it seems and a huge subset of weapon skills outside of 2h simply don't trigger the heal (ie any DoTs - fire, acid, poison, bleeds, channels...)

OrphanHelgen · April 2016

Actually, I think only the 4 first attacks of rapid strikes are channel / dot, the two last are regular dmg. I think this becuase my orc passive with 4% melee attack bonus, only applies on the two last attacks. I dont think its WB or rapid strikes that have issue, its the thamatuge

runagate · April 2016

I've had a DW orc stam sorc since early 2014. I slotted Flurry for about a day before I realized it's not good. Especially in PvP I find it hard to understand why someone would stand there and let you hit them with that crap. It's one of the most pointless skills.

The true beauty of using a stam sorc is obviously self-heals on crit. Briarheart set dovetails nicely with that, as it comes in jewelry. Get rid of Flurry and slot Lightweight Beast Trap. Not only is it amazing vs. vamps and WW but take a look at the passive it gives:

"immobilizes an enemy for 6 seconds, and grants Minor Force which increases critical damage by 12%. It also burns undead and Daedra for an additional 1053 Magic Damage. The trap takes 1.5 seconds to arm and lasts for 1 minute."

If there's any other skill that grants Minor Force I can't think of it offhand. +12% crit damage! Obviously Whirling Blades is the preferred morph since it ultimately allows you to be more sustainable.

Since the Spawn of Mephala procs 100% of the time now it's a wonderful thing to use for stamina sorcs. Snares em and does a nice dot. You might not immediately notice but the DoT only works when the opponent actually stays within the "webs and claws" graphics.

I want to test using Viper's Sting with Poisonous Serpent jewelry again now that Mighty works on poison damage.

Destruent · April 2016

acw37162 wrote: »

Can anyone explain to me the following;

Uppercut and it's morphs are physical damage are considered a channel, which allows through ESO programming logic for the skill to be buffed by the champion point thamaturge and mighty.

Uppercut doesn't get stronger with points in thaumaturge, only the tooltip does.

There's a difference between casstime + one hit and casttime with multiple hits. Only the second oneis considered a dot.

runagate wrote: »

Obviously Whirling Blades is the preferred morph since it ultimately allows you to be more sustainable.

Whriling Blades is just useless. Small range and a buff, you get with potions aswell. Use Steeltornade + potions ad you have: Whirling Blades + range+ execute+ more dmg

Steel_Brightblade · April 2016

Admit I prefer steel tornado, happily hit for 18K with it at the moment and have a few changes in mind that should bring that up to and over 20K.

Alcast · April 2016

Wblow does not get buffed by thaumaturge. Test things and dont trust Tooltips.

Steel_Brightblade · April 2016

Nice thing is now we can on console, not as well or easily as PC but at least we now have damage numbers which helps.

Didaco · April 2016

So, once and for all, does WB get buffed by Thaumaturge or not?

Destruent · April 2016

Didaco wrote: »

So, once and for all, does WB get buffed by Thaumaturge or not?

no, it doesn't.

acw37162 · April 2016

Alcast wrote: »

Wblow does not get buffed by thaumaturge. Test things and dont trust Tooltips.

So if I'm understanding correctly.

Thamaturge affects wrecking blows tool tip to say it is doing more damage but in practical application it is not doing more damage?

How would you test this?

Mine hit for my tooltip or more?

I'm on PS4 btw so don't have access to some tools.

Steel_Brightblade · April 2016

To test it go bash a mammoth with points in it, make a note of the damage numbers, then take the points out and do same mob and look for a difference.

Vangy · April 2016

Hahahaha...

Relying on tooltips in this game is just about as effective as walking across the highway blindfolded+with ear plugs during primetime... You gona get rekt son.... You gona get rekt sooo fast... you probably wont even know what hit you.. Most likely a 16 wheeler...

Stannum · April 2016

WB is not channel it has cast time but works instantly as it is casted.