Death of the NA Haderus Campaign

soleil.clercb14_ESO · April 2016

Yo PvP in scrolls is conquest/ chain link. If you take all the bases you spawn camp, happens in every other game. Cause you can't spawn anywhere else.... What do you expect the other factions to do....?
What we need is some team deathmatch and small conquest maps like battlefield.
Obviously this doesn't fix cyrodill lag but who the f knows how to fix that anyway lol

Lucky28 · April 2016

Elong wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

booksmcread wrote: »

EP's doing the same thing to TF almost every night.

no actually they're not. the map typically goes red in the day not the night as far as i know. i don't know where the DC and AD went. there used to be better PvP early day.

At the same time EP need to seriously stop camping AD on Trueflame, they have no organised guilds on at the moment and are leaving in droves because of us. It'll be pvdoor by the end of the week.

I agree

PainfulFAFA · April 2016

Lucky28 wrote: »

booksmcread wrote: »

EP's doing the same thing to TF almost every night.

no actually they're not. the map typically goes red in the day not the night as far as i know. i don't know where the DC and AD went. there used to be better PvP early day.

The map goes red during the morning, evening, and then back to red after midnight. Buts its all good, Haderus is too boring and TF is challenging and fun when its 2 bars successfully defending against a pop-locked. But then the pop locked comes back with more numbers until theres nothing and the cycles resets.

Telel · April 2016

COH tried to remain on Trueflame after Azura's went no CP. In fact Telel and the pups were fighting there up until the literal last seconds of the campaign cycle.

However in addition to the lag and performance issues that came with TG we found our fellow players to simply be to frustrating to work with. It often felt as if our guild was the only (Semi) organized force trying to win, and that the majority of other players were more interested in AP Farming or were just there to purposely feed the other sides D ticks to help rank them up. We lost count of the humber of times we'd go to take or defend a keep and only those from our guild would be placing siege , and all the others would either just sit there giving the opponents plenty of time to wipe us, or they'd actively interfere by leeching siege. That many of those same people would then beg for groups only to then refuse to work with those groups exasperated the issue.

This was made worse by the near lack of people willing to lead groups, and Khajiit did their darndest to provide support for anyone who took up that challenge. Heck this one even led PUGs, and we all know how much Telel detests being in charge.

Do not even get this one started on the dozens of people who would literally spend hours running from any AD keep to die at BRK or Sejanus. Sometimes this was done even as the keep they spawned in was being sieged.

Eventually the pressure to be constantly leading 24 man PUGs had Telel ready to take a vacation, and they even purchased a Camel Unchained beta thing.

As Telel's pack is not at the level of the 'pro' guilds it just got to be to frustrating to fight our own side's selfishness, and being out numbered all day. So we put it to a vote and withdrew to another server so that we could train the new meat, get them geared, and get some breathing room from the constant pressure.

Fortunately us frothing murder happy followers of The Hunter have been trying to be good sports to our prey that is currently on the backfoot. If you have been viewing khajiit's stream you'll have seen us withdraw from fights and go engage in other activities until the opposition can mass enough numbers to make a go of it.

We've also discussed the matter of moving to another server once more people are geared up and drilled in the basics but for that to happen we'd need a more visible and consistent effort from other AD Players to work towards winning, and or getting new players up to speed.

Cormore · April 2016

All Had needs right now is just another EP guild. Ep gets stomped on every night. They hardly get lucky enough to take BRK. Now with that being said, i dont mean bring a huge group of ep to had and start night capping emp and blah blah blah. Just a solid group and then we can have good fights between all three factions. Right now as khole we can hold and push pretty well on AD side and stuff. But there comes a time where ep is not there and we are fighting the whole AD faction with 12-16 people. Now sure there are other DC guilds too and they're great but only so much we can do as a faction when we are hardly ever pop locked unlike AD. So i hope a solid EP guild would come over to Had. NOT every EP guild EVER. Just one to make Had have some solid PvP like it did a month ago. Thank you for your time lol

Pchela · April 2016

Cormore wrote: »

All Had needs right now is just another EP guild. Ep gets stomped on every night. They hardly get lucky enough to take BRK. Now with that being said, i dont mean bring a huge group of ep to had and start night capping emp and blah blah blah. Just a solid group and then we can have good fights between all three factions. Right now as khole we can hold and push pretty well on AD side and stuff. But there comes a time where ep is not there and we are fighting the whole AD faction with 12-16 people. Now sure there are other DC guilds too and they're great but only so much we can do as a faction when we are hardly ever pop locked unlike AD. So i hope a solid EP guild would come over to Had. NOT every EP guild EVER. Just one to make Had have some solid PvP like it did a month ago. Thank you for your time lol

I have been on a pvp break for a bit, occasionally checking the TF map since I am homes there. There are plenty of EP there and TF needs a breather. I agree that even if one guild moves over to HAD (hopped over there to check it out, yowza the potential) it would help both campaigns a lot.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO · April 2016

everyone is grinding alts like hell with 100% more xp. things will balance out a lot more when everyone comes back next week.

also i will say again I think a campaign that starts friday and ends monday mourning,( exact time of vendor), then resets for next week would be a great option.

pulls people from other severs for biggest prime-time but not permanently. seems good.

another thing that could be considered is a server that can only be grouped into so its more guild vs guild oriented

maxjapank · April 2016

booksmcread wrote: »

EP's doing the same thing to TF almost every night.

Lucky28 wrote: »

no actually they're not. the map typically goes red in the day not the night as far as i know. i don't know where the DC and AD went. there used to be better PvP early day.

Lucky..you haven't been logging on this week then. EP has been consistenly taking the entire map during NA primetime. The other day, I looked at the numbers, and EP was poplocked, Blue was at 2 bars, and Yellow was at 1.

As a DC member, I am fine with Red taking the inner keeps and even getting Emp. But if EP continually pushes past Glade and Faregal, then what happens is that blue and yellow will eventually quit logging on. And then EP will have noone to fight. And they will stop logging on, too.

Everyone wants fights. And I find no fault with one faction being more populated than others. But to get fights, you need to let the other factions build up, and then smash them. You need to show a little restraint to encourage healthy campaigns.

Telel · April 2016

Lyar09 wrote: »

K-hole is still on Had. Only so much we can do with those with the numbers EP and AD have

On the plus It's definitely a better training tool for the new pups compared to the constant pressure of True Flame. When the pack and a DC group have roughly the sane numbers we've had some epic skirmishes.

And as the more magnanimous of forces we of course have been gracious enough to 'permit' our august opponents the honor of wiping us out to the man more than once. Ahem.

Khajiit just wishes DC could put a few more bodies in play so they could push their own objectives more consistently. Right now it seems to either be a handful of dedicated resource grabbers trying to play for points and....those guys who show up to 'help' the pacters out so that both sides can dance on an innocent and downtrodden khajiit's corpse.

This one is not joking either. They actually had people from both factions dance atop this one's body instead of fighting each other to the death. It is much sadness.

If both groups could somehow work more cohesively throughout the day this one thinks the daggets wouldn't have to wait until prime time in order to make a real go of it.

CatchMeTrolling · April 2016

Same thing on Xbox na

Telel · April 2016

well this one had just gotten on to inform the pups they were letting their blueberry alts off the leashes for non prime-time PVP again anything they wanted to hunt.

Then khajiit had a look at the map, and is rethinking this decision. They had a lot of time to rethink this decision due to the Half-hour they spent in the dumbminion queue wishing they could get in and help defend keeps.

Still if this actual PVP presence is only going to last until certain guilds prove a point or get bored with farming easy kills then the pups are likely to make the occasional foray out from High rock as their time permits.

And if the dumbminion continues gate camping instead of being good sports....

kevlarto_ESO · April 2016

My little group plays everyday on Trueflame. We are Ad, and I agree with a lot of Telel's post, I miss your wolf pack

We try to help the faction we try to win and take objectives, we go places try to get something going, and no AD shows up, nothing else going on the map, I just don't get it, but there is plenty of salt going on in chat at the time, I enjoy the pvp in this game but it has not been fun this last week or so, besides all the technical issues.

It gets old when we run around trying to do simple things like taking a resource, its ok to have some enemy confront us, but geez, the emp group and 20 or more show up ruins the fun for everyone including his own faction. Not to mention all the willy nilly factions swapping, no campaign pride or faction pride, this will be one welcome feature of CU, you will not have multiple factions in the same battle field. It will be more on the lines of DAOC.

The number one rule in pvp is both sides of the keyboard need to have fun, or there wont be anyone on one side of those keyboards, I have been number 12 in my class on the leader board for several days now, I used to drop off a few places over night, now there is not enough people playing to even bump me from my spot, that is sad.

I to have been following and testing CU, it is a long way off and I am sure by the time it launches if it does, I will know where I stand in ESO.

Bofrari · April 2016

I know exactly what you mean ad in general are baddies I know there are some good players in ad but not many whenever I'm out solo and I see 3 or 4 ad I jump right in without a care in the world because 90% of the time I whip them now when I see ep I watch myself even two of them so yeah they have to have numbers or they can't do anything.

kaer426 wrote: »

wolfninja101b14_ESO wrote: »

So for the past couple weeks in Haderus (PC NA), The lovely Dominion has been doing this to the campaign:

Taking the map to get the scrolls is one thing, but to keep the other 2 factions at their gates is killing the campaign. No one wants to do pvp there because they can't do anything without being killed stepping out of their gates. This is beginning to look like Trueflame before the Thieves Guild update.
I'm not going to say their name, but the current emperor of Haderus keeps gate-pushing and will not let up. Y'all in AD are going to wonder where all the action went in Haderus...well just look at the map.

funny part is they can only do it when everyone logs off... otherwise they get farmed
they might be the worst bunch of bananas in the history of AD

I know exactly what you mean ad in general are baddies I know there are some good players in ad but not many whenever I'm out solo and I see 3 or 4 ad I jump right in without a care in the world because 90% of the time I whip them now when I see ep I watch myself even two of them so yeah they have to have numbers or they can't do anything. I actually whipped 10 ad in if the other day the were horrible I was actually shocked I succeeded.

Satiar · April 2016

TF is a sad thing atm.

I log on, get a raid going, dethrone EP and take my scrolls back. Once the raid is done I go to do my undaunted and watch the notifications as EP lock pop retakes emp and scrolls.

I don't have the energy to stay up for this stuff anymore. Apparently Had has the same deal going on.

hammayolettuce · April 2016

So any EP in here crying about Haderus needs to talk to their faction. AD should have lost emp hours ago and didn't because of EP. Well done ladies, well done.

Elong · April 2016

Satiar wrote: »

TF is a sad thing atm.

I log on, get a raid going, dethrone EP and take my scrolls back. Once the raid is done I go to do my undaunted and watch the notifications as EP lock pop retakes emp and scrolls.

I don't have the energy to stay up for this stuff anymore. Apparently Had has the same deal going on.

To be fair you haven't been on the last 3-4 days as this hasn't been the case on TF, during prime time we (EP) start getting pushed back but hold our own and then counter towards the end of the so called prime time. DC and AD leave in an almighty hurry, something they wouldn't have done if they had us at Farra and KC like in the last 4 months.

It doesn't help that VE isn't running much at the moment, there's no premium DC raids running.

Lucky28 · April 2016

hammayolettuce wrote: »

So any EP in here crying about Haderus needs to talk to their faction. AD should have lost emp hours ago and didn't because of EP. Well done ladies, well done.

Meh, i don't really care. that emp hits 3k surprise attacks, 1k steel tornado's and 4k tethers.... he concerns me not in the least. got my emp slayer achievement on my alts off him tonight.

that said. i hate dethrones and emp defense. lag is so painful.

Lyar09 · April 2016

Ya EP is definitely to blame for AD still having emp. Honestly, it sucks; but they're getting the repercussions right now with getting pushed all the way back to their gates AGAIN. AD is killing pvp on haderus.

MoreDino · April 2016

EP seemed largely disorganized. I spent my time trying to keep our outer breach from being stealth repaired. Every time I turned to help with something else, the wall was brought back up. After the 4th time I just said screw it and left.

We did have some DC behind us burning our camps though. And later burning our trebs on the walls. Wasn't too helpful for the dethrone effort.

Jimbohere · April 2016

I played AD there after ZOS killed Azura's and left because it was pretty boring and I'm not into gate camping. Wish there was a campaign that was competitive like Azura's used to be but I haven't found one yet. It seems their all one sided complete domination now and to be honest if it stays this way I'm going to start looking to the next MMO.

Bazeric · April 2016

So AD decided to keep Haderus pop locked all night and only have two bars on TF? And that's because they don't want to bother being competitive TF (for reasons?)? So they go and ruin a different campaign? Idk anymore... I know PVP has been a mixed bag for the last year, but really the war is over and the best to hope for now, I suppose, would be battlegrounds/arenas. Man the bridge layout would be perfect for a capture the flag.... I been through the peaks and valleys of PVP and...

....and I just had a great idea! Gear change. This is gonna sound shiddy, but for the health of PVP it is worth a mention.

Have the scrolls only be a weekend prime time event.
I remember when major guilds agreed to leave the triangle of keeps alone when they were obviously winning/overpop so there was less trash to worry about when the enemy factions logged in. My experience is that it worked a promoted more fun and balanced PVP en lieu of population imbalances. Having the scrolls only appear during the weekend, say Friday noon ET until Monday noon ET, would achieve a similar effect by lessening incentive to roll maps when enemies are AFK (i.e. during the week). This sounds like a carp deal for anyone who plays during the week, but honestly with the populations I see during the week, on every campaign but TF, it is mostly PVDoor or Bridge/gate/farming battles since it's too much an effort to take a keep with 8 randoms. I don't think that there can/will be enough self policing to attempt a verbal agreement between factions so something needs to be introduced in game.

Anyway... Signed,
-Concerned Day One ESO Player.

*its late and I am tired so sorry for any glaring errors*

ThePonzzz · April 2016

I think the biggest misconception with the campaigns is when alliances get blamed for things going on in a different campaign. In the case of Trueflamme and Haderus, the silent majority kind of sticks with their guild and don't know what might be going on in another campaign. My guild is on Haderus, and I really don't know what's going on in Trueflamme. It is my guest campaign, but I rarely visit my guest campaign.

Last week is when we started seeing the huge influx of AD on Haderus. Prior to that, it was mostly DC and EP going at it. This week, EP started bailing on Haderus. EP is constantly being pushed to their gates. Groups under 12 are constantly being batted back. Some people will stick it out, but it gets frustrating and boring pretty quickly. If it continues, people will just go where there can be action. No one really enjoys a map of just one color.

WuffyCerulei · April 2016

They were at again tonight, and I just couldn't handle it. That emperor seriously needs to get their ass handed to them on a silver platter. Wish Sypher would move to Had and show them some dignity.

Suru · April 2016

Came here for NA PC drama....left disappointed

Cheers console players

MissBizz · April 2016

...so about what time does this happen? My.. Uuhhh.. PvE friend wants to know

Minnesinger · April 2016

There needs to be one campaign that isn´t the typical shitshow. I didn´t think we need more campaigns based on populations but looks like more divert is needed. Hade should be a safe haven for good small scale pvp and performance. Now we lack the pvp aspect. By pvp I mean good fights that are fun. Not some zerging at least.

WuffyCerulei · April 2016

I agree with you, Minne. It used to be like that, but that crew of AD decided to ruin that for everyone.

bitaken · April 2016

Elong wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

TF is a sad thing atm.

I log on, get a raid going, dethrone EP and take my scrolls back. Once the raid is done I go to do my undaunted and watch the notifications as EP lock pop retakes emp and scrolls.

I don't have the energy to stay up for this stuff anymore. Apparently Had has the same deal going on.

To be fair you haven't been on the last 3-4 days as this hasn't been the case on TF, during prime time we (EP) start getting pushed back but hold our own and then counter towards the end of the so called prime time. DC and AD leave in an almighty hurry, something they wouldn't have done if they had us at Farra and KC like in the last 4 months.

It doesn't help that VE isn't running much at the moment, there's no premium DC raids running.

You drove us away with the persistent daily night flipping. Got tired of seeing some new scrub EP emp to dethrone every day.

Elong · April 2016

bitaken wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

TF is a sad thing atm.

I log on, get a raid going, dethrone EP and take my scrolls back. Once the raid is done I go to do my undaunted and watch the notifications as EP lock pop retakes emp and scrolls.

I don't have the energy to stay up for this stuff anymore. Apparently Had has the same deal going on.

To be fair you haven't been on the last 3-4 days as this hasn't been the case on TF, during prime time we (EP) start getting pushed back but hold our own and then counter towards the end of the so called prime time. DC and AD leave in an almighty hurry, something they wouldn't have done if they had us at Farra and KC like in the last 4 months.

It doesn't help that VE isn't running much at the moment, there's no premium DC raids running.

You drove us away with the persistent daily night flipping. Got tired of seeing some new scrub EP emp to dethrone every day.

Hahaha wait what? The first Emp was Zanini, who mainly plays on DC for what it's worth, and is one of the best healers in game.

The second Emp is Ernie, who is far from a scrub and most certainly isn't his first time as Emp.

The last 3 days have seen equal pops in prime time and substantial losses to DC and AD. Perhaps you guys need more organisation as numbers aren't the issue. Also, you might need some better arguments next time, and also some facts for your case

bitaken · April 2016

Elong wrote: »

bitaken wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

TF is a sad thing atm.

I log on, get a raid going, dethrone EP and take my scrolls back. Once the raid is done I go to do my undaunted and watch the notifications as EP lock pop retakes emp and scrolls.

I don't have the energy to stay up for this stuff anymore. Apparently Had has the same deal going on.

To be fair you haven't been on the last 3-4 days as this hasn't been the case on TF, during prime time we (EP) start getting pushed back but hold our own and then counter towards the end of the so called prime time. DC and AD leave in an almighty hurry, something they wouldn't have done if they had us at Farra and KC like in the last 4 months.

It doesn't help that VE isn't running much at the moment, there's no premium DC raids running.

You drove us away with the persistent daily night flipping. Got tired of seeing some new scrub EP emp to dethrone every day.

Hahaha wait what? The first Emp was Zanini, who mainly plays on DC for what it's worth, and is one of the best healers in game.

The second Emp is Ernie, who is far from a scrub and most certainly isn't his first time as Emp.

The last 3 days have seen equal pops in prime time and substantial losses to DC and AD. Perhaps you guys need more organisation as numbers aren't the issue. Also, you might need some better arguments next time, and also some facts for your case

We left Haderus two weeks ago when the daily Emp crowning and entire map capping finally wore us down. We were the ones who - along with KHOLE and a couple others - would gate cap your faction. One less organized guild willing to get the ball rolling and start recapping keeps from the EP night cap.....yes it does make a difference.

I am having a blast on Azuras. Some of you elite EP keep sitters should give it a try - it takes a few days to get the hang of it but its a lot of fun.