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Magicka Sorceror/Shield Stacking (therefore Magicka Sorc) is not balanced. Please nerf.
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Ugh, more nerfs. NBs, Templars, radiant destruction, dodge roll, shields, now another shield thread.
Sorcs are fine. Without shields they are as squishy as magblade with no cloak. They have one class shield - hardened ward, and its already been repeatedly nerfed. For a max CP Sorc in legendary gear it provides about 10k in mitigation. Literally everyone runs harness now, which lasts longer, provides more magicka return, and is arguable more effective. Healing ward is basically just a heal, the shield only last 6-seconds. Sorcs, like DK, run it because they lack decent class specific heals (unless you give up 2 slots for twilight). And streak is so buggy its barely worth a slot right now.
PvP is garbage right now, and the reason is that damage is too high across the board (Viscous Death, CP, Proxy) while mobility and damage mitigation has been nerved to oblivion. We should not be asking for more mitigation nerfs.
Sorcs are not hard to kill. Stop trying to burst through shields, force them to CC break, knock em down then go to work.
LOL harness is more effective? why dont you try taking hardend ward off you bar and see how it goes. the fact that harness stops magica only and hardened stops any damage makes the latter 1000% better
as of op
Easy Optimization- agree
Easy Survivability- yes there are some issues but your argument is poor, yes there is mechanics issues but using 4 abilities IS using a lot of abilities.
Perpetual Crit Immunity- agree
cp- point taken but mostly irrelevant, the balance issues are in optimization and perma crit immunity that you outlined.0 -
DHale✭✭✭✭✭
✭On my sorc I get wrecking blowed twice...dead not including the crit Rush at the beginning and the executioner at the end. On my nb I crit Rush in two wrecking blows then execute dead. To think harness magic is going to save you from a Stam build is off the hook. Shield stacking only works in very specific set of circumstances and only against some builds. No Stam build of any kind of decent player needs shattering blows or shield breaker... Just baddies. Personally, I never fear shield breaker on my sorc they will be the first person I go after. Unless your Ali Sabre (PC NA) shield breaker won't save you (he doesn't need shield breaker but uses it).Sorcerna, proud beta sorc. RIP April 2014 to May 31 2016 DArk Brotherhood. Out of retirement for negates and encases. Sorcerna will be going back into retirement to be my main crafter Fall 2018. Because an 8 k shield is f ing useless. Died because of baddies on the forum. Too much qq too little pew pew. 16 AD 2 DC. 0 EP cause they bad, CP 2300 plus 18 level 50 toons. NA, PC, Grey Host#SORCLIVESMATTER actually they don’t or they wouldn’t keep getting nerfed constantly.0 -
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✭✭Hmm all these post about how damage shields aren't OP and every one just needs to "L2P".
*sips green tea*
Funny isn't it.0 -
cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »Hmm all these post about how damage shields aren't OP and every one just needs to "L2P".
*sips green tea*
Funny isn't it.
Just how healing yourself for 12k+, cloaking away whenever you feel like or being pretty much immune to ranged attacks aren't OP either, right?
R.I.P. Daranth Spellborn
VR16 Dunmer Sorcerer
March 2014 - May 2016
He was a skilled Crafter and a reliable Sorcerer;
Then came the Dark Brotherhood
Wrobel wrote: Surge is now more effective for tank characters.
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✭✭✭✭✭cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »Hmm all these post about how damage shields aren't OP and every one just needs to "L2P".
*sips green tea*
Funny isn't it.
Just how healing yourself for 12k+, cloaking away whenever you feel like or being pretty much immune to ranged attacks aren't OP either, right?
I can debuff a templars healing, i can crit a templar.
I can use magelight, detect pots or any aoe to get a nb out of cloak, as it's currently broken i can use single target abilities to get them out.
I can use any skill that not a projectile to go through a dk's wings, i can even use projectile as it's broke.
I cant crit a sorc shield, i can't burth down 25k + shields + 20k hp on a sorc with a magicka build without that sorc being a bad player.
Sorc = easy win mode.
PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...0 -
Brrrofski✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭The sole issue is hardened ward stacking with harness. I have no issue against sorcs on a stam build. Just shuffle, dodge roll and cc.
Also, stacking magica does boost damage and survivability for all classes. While they will need more health, increasing magica still helps keep you alive.Edited by Brrrofski on April 7, 2016 9:52PM0 -
Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Hardened ward grants Major Ward against all damage
Anulment grants Major Ward against spells
Healing Ward grants Minor Ward
Major wards don't stack. Major and minor can, so sorcs can still heal.
Problem solved. Sorcs will survive this by using other class abilities such as bound aegis and lightning form, with hardened and healing wards. Currently there's almost no real reason to use either with shield stacking.
If we do this however, I want to see some serious rework of *** cloak, because we'll get absolutely eaten alive by magicka NB's. I suspect most of them are the source of all this crying, because one class in the game isn't easy-mode two button kill.0 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Hardened ward grants Major Ward against all damage
Anulment grants Major Ward against spells
Healing Ward grants Minor Ward
Major wards don't stack. Major and minor can, so sorcs can still heal.
Problem solved. Sorcs will survive this by using other class abilities such as bound aegis and lightning form, with hardened and healing wards. Currently there's almost no real reason to use either with shield stacking.
If we do this however, I want to see some serious rework of *** cloak, because we'll get absolutely eaten alive by magicka NB's. I suspect most of them are the source of all this crying, because one class in the game isn't easy-mode two button kill.
Why would you get eaten alive?PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...0 -
Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Hardened ward grants Major Ward against all damage
Anulment grants Major Ward against spells
Healing Ward grants Minor Ward
Major wards don't stack. Major and minor can, so sorcs can still heal.
Problem solved. Sorcs will survive this by using other class abilities such as bound aegis and lightning form, with hardened and healing wards. Currently there's almost no real reason to use either with shield stacking.
If we do this however, I want to see some serious rework of *** cloak, because we'll get absolutely eaten alive by magicka NB's. I suspect most of them are the source of all this crying, because one class in the game isn't easy-mode two button kill.
Why would you get eaten alive?
Critable shields. No stacking. Siphon, proxy, VD. Two buttons.
If that happens I'd like to see NB's lose the ability to cloak in plain sight once revealed.
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✭There is no running. There can be no hiding. We must all take our turn on the rack of torture (nerf). Temps and Dk's have been on it for way too long. If there is one constant in ESO (apart from the bugs and lag), its that every DLC someone gets the NURF HAMMAH.
Nbs and stam took one in the knee for TG. Its now time to nerf mag so we can choose either temp or sorc. Nbs already got their turn and well... mag DKs and temps suck anyway. So we are left with one remaining choice only. BLOOD(nurf) must be spilled to satisfy the unquenchable thirst of the nurf-sayers. We have all given our blood to sate the incessant nurf needs of the nurf-mother. Now sorcs must bleed on the table too!
NURF! NURF! NURF! NURF! WE WANT NURFS!
*grabs pitchfork and looks menacingly at sorcs*Edited by Vangy on April 8, 2016 5:10AM(2)V16 Dk- stam dps/stam tank/mag dps
(2)V16 Sorc- mag dps/stam dps
(2)V16 nb- stam dps/mag dps
(1)v16 temp- mag tank/mag dps
CP: 610 and counting
PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates! Viva la revolutionz0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Hardened ward grants Major Ward against all damage
Anulment grants Major Ward against spells
Healing Ward grants Minor Ward
Major wards don't stack. Major and minor can, so sorcs can still heal.
Problem solved. Sorcs will survive this by using other class abilities such as bound aegis and lightning form, with hardened and healing wards. Currently there's almost no real reason to use either with shield stacking.
If we do this however, I want to see some serious rework of *** cloak, because we'll get absolutely eaten alive by magicka NB's. I suspect most of them are the source of all this crying, because one class in the game isn't easy-mode two button kill.
Why would you get eaten alive?
Critable shields. No stacking. Siphon, proxy, VD. Two buttons.
If that happens I'd like to see NB's lose the ability to cloak in plain sight once revealed.
Or you know sorc could build for not being glass cannons under all them shields, like every other class they'd have to use impen.
If i can survive the nb burst on my characters who aren't sorc then you can easily build to survive with the same health pool and a 12k shield on top. It's not hard.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Hardened ward grants Major Ward against all damage
Anulment grants Major Ward against spells
Healing Ward grants Minor Ward
Major wards don't stack. Major and minor can, so sorcs can still heal.
Problem solved. Sorcs will survive this by using other class abilities such as bound aegis and lightning form, with hardened and healing wards. Currently there's almost no real reason to use either with shield stacking.
If we do this however, I want to see some serious rework of *** cloak, because we'll get absolutely eaten alive by magicka NB's. I suspect most of them are the source of all this crying, because one class in the game isn't easy-mode two button kill.
Why would you get eaten alive?
Critable shields. No stacking. Siphon, proxy, VD. Two buttons.
If that happens I'd like to see NB's lose the ability to cloak in plain sight once revealed.
Or you know sorc could build for not being glass cannons under all them shields, like every other class they'd have to use impen.
If i can survive the nb burst on my characters who aren't sorc then you can easily build to survive with the same health pool and a 12k shield on top. It's not hard.
Impenetrable isn't a silver bullet, and many Sorcs use it already. You can survive with better healing, stamina management, damage mitigation or different utilities? What is that supposed to tell us?DAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
The Covenant is broken. The Enemy has won...
Elo'dryel - Sorc - AR 50 - Hopesfire - EP EU0 -
Bashev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No magicka regen while a shield casted by magicka is active. Give them block treatment and they wont be OP.Because I can!0 -
PainGod✭I am not one to call for nerfs often. In my entire time on the forums, I have made only one other similar post in regards to the single target damage on proxy det. I only make this post when I feel something is truly unbalanced and needs to be addressed, and that's how I feel about magicka sorc right now. And the reason I'm compelled to make this post at this time is because I strongly believe that outside Magicka Sorc, everything else in the game is fairly well balanced right now. I'd love to see them finally address this issue and be done with it. As always, balance concerns are mostly a matter of opinion. These are simply my opinions and anyone is welcome to argue against them. So to the point, here are the 4 major factors that make magicka sorc unbalanced:
Easy Optimization- For every other magicka class, you can either spec for high tankiness or high damage. Not both. Trade offs have to be considered and calculated decisions made. If you go max damage, you sacrifice tankiness. If you go max tankiness, you sacrifice damage. Ask any magicka DK, templar, or NB and its the same story- optimizing these builds is a matter of great theory crafting, tweaking, and balancing to find what configuration works for you personally. Magicka Sorceror is the only class where you get optimal tankiness and optimal damage with the same set up, just stack max magicka and spell damage and you get the best of both worlds. As a result, optimizing a magicka Sorc is easier, more simplistic, and more advantageous than on any other class or playstyle. This is not balanced.
Easy Survivability- For every other class and playstyle, survivability means using a host of skills, techniques, and game mechanics to stay alive- many abilities, heals, shields, buffs, and actual game mechanics like blocking and dodging. Sorc survivability can literally be summed up in 3 skills: hardened ward, healing ward, harness magicka. And then if thats not enough, just streak away for long enough to reset the fight. Is it not obvious what the problem is here? To see anywhere close to the level of survivability a sorc has, any and every other class/spec has to work much harder and make much more input. Spamming shields provides wayy too much output for the input it requires. As such, damage mitigation on a sorc is much easier and more simplistic than on any other class or playstyle. This is not balanced.
Perpetual Crit Immunity- Weapon/Spell Critical is a major dynamic in PvP that has offensive and defensive ramifications for every class and playstyle. Once again tho, Sorc is the one class that gets to play outside the rules and operate apart from every other class and playstyle. Can anyone justify how it is fair that one class have essentially immunity from a major game mechanic simply due to the nature of that class' defensive scheme?? How is that balanced? I'd love to run infused/divines on my stamina DK or magicka templar to pump their stats as high as possible. When I slap my PvE gear on these toons, I cant help but wonder how AWESOME it would be to have the luxury of PvPing with such high stats. But then I have to accept the reality that Impen gear offers these toons much more benefit in the grand scheme of things. Not on my sorc tho, there I get to rock infused and divines while still being just as tanky as w/o it. Once again the 'play outside the rules' class gets to have its cake and eat it too. Every other class has to heavily consider the effect of critical hits on their performance and build accordingly. Sorc does not. This is not balanced.
Unbalanced Champion System- Shattering Blows is not a nerf to sorcs, it is an overdue balancing measure that is completely irrelevant. Shattering blows should have been in the champ system from the get go considering bastion existed from the start. But here is the reality as long as CPs are capped and as long as most people have less than 1000 or so to spend. There is absolutely no incentive for non-sorcs to invest in shattering blows to counter one playstyle whereas there is all the incentive in the world for sorcs to invest in bastion to counter every single other playstyle. Not much else to say here, this is not balanced.
These are the four major complaints I have regarding balance with this class, and balance with this class is the only complaint I have with balance in general. Thats why I took the time to write this out today. Unlike many nerf posts which are driven by vandetta but lack perspective, understand that my most played character is a sorc and I am not making this thread out of hatred or bias but rather a genuine concern for balance. It will be up to ZOS to come up with a solution, and there are many possible solutions. My point is not to propose a solution or push for a specific change. My point in making this post is to remind ZOS that this class STILL is not balanced. Much of the community seems to have become complacent with Sorcs being OP, but I am not cool with that. And I'm sick of seeing 'solutions' like shield breaker that blatantly admit there is an issue, but completely fail to address that issue in any meaningful way. "We admit that shield stacking is broken, here is a set that only stamina users can use at the cost of compromising an ideal build. Good luck, have fun". Its pathetic.
No more band aid fixes, no more gimmicks. Can you guys please just address the root problems with shield stacking and how shields mechanically operate so we can bury this topic already?
@Wrobel
@ZOS_BrianWheeler
1-do you even have you ever played as a sorc in PvE and PvP?
2- what type of character do you run?
3-you sound like a disgruntled PvP player.
4- learn how to block.
5- stop drop and roll when you are on fire.0 -
Sk000tch✭✭✭You all all scrubs. Zerg surfing cancer responsible for the aoe FPS cyrodil has become.
My fav is OP's "i have no problem killing top-tier sorcs but that 10k shield is OP" nonsense.
The biggest problem in PvP is the increased burst meta combined with lack of mitigation. Under no circumstances should we be asking for more mitigation nerfs. Shield stacking is not what it used to be, and most sorcs don't like to do it as takes three slots of your 5 backbar, but it's the only to run with any decent mitigation.
We should be asking for more specific class (particularly DK and Templar) mitigation and group focused skills and ultimates, increase the dmg reduction on ukts like nova and negate, but also those useful when mobile (defending is cake now). Buff heavy armor, make reflect work on aoe. Remove the no regen while blocking garbage. Make a ritual type skill that reduces aoe damage. Fasalla's and transmutation were great ideas made irrelevant but the dramatic shift to dps burst meta. Make immovable Reliable again. Fix Rapids, and make hit and run tactics in open field field posdible again.
Give us tactics back. I was to see a Fasalla's stam DK standing in the breach taking, with support, and heal debuffinf the whole dang Zerg. I was to see legit support builds,.
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✭You all all scrubs. Zerg surfing cancer responsible for the aoe FPS cyrodil has become.
My fav is OP's "i have no problem killing top-tier sorcs but that 10k shield is OP" nonsense.
The biggest problem in PvP is the increased burst meta combined with lack of mitigation. Under no circumstances should we be asking for more mitigation nerfs. Shield stacking is not what it used to be, and most sorcs don't like to do it as takes three slots of your 5 backbar, but it's the only to run with any decent mitigation.
We should be asking for more specific class (particularly DK and Templar) mitigation and group focused skills and ultimates, increase the dmg reduction on ukts like nova and negate, but also those useful when mobile (defending is cake now). Buff heavy armor, make reflect work on aoe. Remove the no regen while blocking garbage. Make a ritual type skill that reduces aoe damage. Fasalla's and transmutation were great ideas made irrelevant but the dramatic shift to dps burst meta. Make immovable Reliable again. Fix Rapids, and make hit and run tactics in open field field posdible again.
Give us tactics back. I was to see a Fasalla's stam DK standing in the breach taking, with support, and heal debuffinf the whole dang Zerg. I was to see legit support builds,.
800 regen magblade builds should be strong solo, not the ideal group member
I hope for all this with small scale Arena. But I don't think it gonna happen in Cyrodiil. RvR will last forever if no one can kill and the lag will be horrible.Edited by TheDarkShadow on April 8, 2016 10:33AM0 -
DjKahun✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »The only shield stacking that annoys me is hardened ward + harness stacking. Stamina builds are fine they have to get through 1 shield (because healing ward is a heal believe it or not) but magicka builds have to get through around 25k worth of shields which you can't crit before they can even touch a sorc's hp...
Not sure why zos decided to give stamina the shield stack counter when stamina builds have never had a problem with sorc.
Either make shields critable and gives shields something like 10-20% crit dmg reduction while they are on.
Or make hardened + harness not stackable. So every other magicka build actually has a chance to get through the shields...
You could even make the large shields such a harness/hardened as primary shields and if you use 2 primary shields then the second shield put on is only 30% as effective... or something like that.
Maybe with any of this changes sorc will have to give up some dmg for survivability and not increase both at once.
E.g. They can't go 3 infused/4 divines anymore any will have to slot some impen, some sorc may not use harness anymore in open world so will have to give up some dmg or something for more sustain.
What stops any other magicka class from using Harness Magicka? I got a stamina class & a sorc myself, I don't think it's the issue with the actual shields but mostly l2p issue, as someone mentioned before sorcs don't have much stamina at all that's why I always run stam/tri stat pots but once you do run out of stamina you are just dead.
1. Did i ever mention i had a problem with the individual skill? No? Nothing stops another class using harness but other classes don't have their class defence being a shield so don't spec 80 into bastion because it's a waste, they also don't have access to another shields thats actually bigger than harness, i don't have an issue with the individual skills just when their stacks.
2. Please don't ever try and use the L2P thing on a class which i'm pvp rank 27 or something in, I've played it a lot, it's unbalanced it's not a L2P issue at all.
3. Sorc's don't have much stamina? Why is that? No class just gets extra stamina, sorc have as much stamina as you decide to build them with. It's easy enough to get 13-15k without actualy putting any stats in it or having any equipment with stamina, ; tripots and good cp distribution will mean any half decent sorc will not run out of stamina...
Please be more bias, it couldn't be any more obvious that you run around and shield stack easy mode.
1. So you are saying that you should nerf sorc's only defense? Why should they make shields critable when a templar can hit 14k dark flares easily with a crit lol hey maybe let's nerf templars heals as they are too powerful?
2. I have no problem killing sorcerers, unless I come against a really experienced one then it is a lot harder, so it is not the class being OP it is the skill of the player and what that you are 27? Rank does not mean that you are skilled, I'm not saying that you are not skilled but sorcs are easy to kill if you know how.
3. Yes they don't have much stamina, I got about 14k stamina with 30 points in tumbling and using tri stat pots and when I'm in a long fight with a couple people I do run out of stamina eventually as I do have to break cc and dodge roll every so often.~ Snowborn ~ Ebonheart Loyals ~
V16 - Stamina Templar - Nord [PS4-EU][Ebonheart Pact]
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coolermh✭✭✭Its funny how misinformed people are about balance in this game... Its always... this is to powerful because "I the best pvp player in the world can't beat it." Therefore it must be overpowered... and ZOS needs to nerf it. It's not just scorc shields but everything it seems like. Stop whining and get good. There is no class build in this game that doesn't have some counter to beat it.-MrHeid625
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Stam DK AD
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Magika Temp-
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✭✭RoamingRiverElk wrote: »
Yes but as @wrobel admitted right now the best defence is shield stacking. If we want them equal either each defensive mechanic should nerf or ZoS should remove the block penalty. BTW I am pretty sure if there were an option to remove your shields they already would introduce such penalty as no magicka regen. The issue now is that you cannot easily control it as the blocking.Because I can!0 -
cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »Hmm all these post about how damage shields aren't OP and every one just needs to "L2P".
*sips green tea*
Funny isn't it.
Just how healing yourself for 12k+, cloaking away whenever you feel like or being pretty much immune to ranged attacks aren't OP either, right?
I can debuff a templars healing, i can crit a templar.
I can use magelight, detect pots or any aoe to get a nb out of cloak, as it's currently broken i can use single target abilities to get them out.
I can use any skill that not a projectile to go through a dk's wings, i can even use projectile as it's broke.
I cant crit a sorc shield, i can't burth down 25k + shields + 20k hp on a sorc with a magicka build without that sorc being a bad player.
Sorc = easy win mode.
I can put a shield on a templar and I can purge a debuff.
NB's I can stack so much damage from stealth people won't know I was there before they're dead.
I can use CC's etc whenever they come close to me to fight melee and a gap closer with a DK, and I can just reapply wings whenever it goes down to be forever immune against projectiles.
And of course, shields aren't exclusive to sorcs. It's really just a L2P issue, otherwise all other defences needs to be nerfed too to make it fair.
R.I.P. Daranth Spellborn
VR16 Dunmer Sorcerer
March 2014 - May 2016
He was a skilled Crafter and a reliable Sorcerer;
Then came the Dark Brotherhood
Wrobel wrote: Surge is now more effective for tank characters.
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The other defensive mechanics are already nerfed. But hey when your shield stacking sorc get the nerf you can just start playing the other classes as you already stated that they have good defence.cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »Hmm all these post about how damage shields aren't OP and every one just needs to "L2P".
*sips green tea*
Funny isn't it.
Just how healing yourself for 12k+, cloaking away whenever you feel like or being pretty much immune to ranged attacks aren't OP either, right?
I can debuff a templars healing, i can crit a templar.
I can use magelight, detect pots or any aoe to get a nb out of cloak, as it's currently broken i can use single target abilities to get them out.
I can use any skill that not a projectile to go through a dk's wings, i can even use projectile as it's broke.
I cant crit a sorc shield, i can't burth down 25k + shields + 20k hp on a sorc with a magicka build without that sorc being a bad player.
Sorc = easy win mode.
I can put a shield on a templar and I can purge a debuff.
NB's I can stack so much damage from stealth people won't know I was there before they're dead.
I can use CC's etc whenever they come close to me to fight melee and a gap closer with a DK, and I can just reapply wings whenever it goes down to be forever immune against projectiles.
And of course, shields aren't exclusive to sorcs. It's really just a L2P issue, otherwise all other defences needs to be nerfed too to make it fair.
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✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Hardened ward grants Major Ward against all damage
Anulment grants Major Ward against spells
Healing Ward grants Minor Ward
Major wards don't stack. Major and minor can, so sorcs can still heal.
Problem solved. Sorcs will survive this by using other class abilities such as bound aegis and lightning form, with hardened and healing wards. Currently there's almost no real reason to use either with shield stacking.
If we do this however, I want to see some serious rework of *** cloak, because we'll get absolutely eaten alive by magicka NB's. I suspect most of them are the source of all this crying, because one class in the game isn't easy-mode two button kill.
Why would you get eaten alive?
Critable shields. No stacking. Siphon, proxy, VD. Two buttons.
If that happens I'd like to see NB's lose the ability to cloak in plain sight once revealed.
Or you know sorc could build for not being glass cannons under all them shields, like every other class they'd have to use impen.
If i can survive the nb burst on my characters who aren't sorc then you can easily build to survive with the same health pool and a 12k shield on top. It's not hard.
You mean, your other classes with exclusive skills that can cloak away, reflect most direct damage, or instant heal with one button?
I'm sure it isn't hard for you, and you're not being very smart or objective here. A measly 12K shield isn't nearly as good as ANY of those three abilities. Stop pretending that it is. We stack shields, it's what the class does.0 -
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The other defensive mechanics are already nerfed. But hey when your shield stacking sorc get the nerf you can just start playing the other classes as you already stated that they have good defence.cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »Hmm all these post about how damage shields aren't OP and every one just needs to "L2P".
*sips green tea*
Funny isn't it.
Just how healing yourself for 12k+, cloaking away whenever you feel like or being pretty much immune to ranged attacks aren't OP either, right?
I can debuff a templars healing, i can crit a templar.
I can use magelight, detect pots or any aoe to get a nb out of cloak, as it's currently broken i can use single target abilities to get them out.
I can use any skill that not a projectile to go through a dk's wings, i can even use projectile as it's broke.
I cant crit a sorc shield, i can't burth down 25k + shields + 20k hp on a sorc with a magicka build without that sorc being a bad player.
Sorc = easy win mode.
I can put a shield on a templar and I can purge a debuff.
NB's I can stack so much damage from stealth people won't know I was there before they're dead.
I can use CC's etc whenever they come close to me to fight melee and a gap closer with a DK, and I can just reapply wings whenever it goes down to be forever immune against projectiles.
And of course, shields aren't exclusive to sorcs. It's really just a L2P issue, otherwise all other defences needs to be nerfed too to make it fair.
I never shield stack, I use hardened ward, that's it. I too think that shield stacking is not good, and why everyone cry and whine about sorcs. I'm fine with making shields not stack, as that's the main problem with shields, not that sorcs use 1 shield. I'd take away shield stacking and maybe let the individual shields be a bit higher in cyrodiil by lowering the debuff. That way all class shields will be a bit stronger, while sorcs still got their hardened ward which is their main defence.R.I.P. Daranth Spellborn
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✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Hardened ward grants Major Ward against all damage
Anulment grants Major Ward against spells
Healing Ward grants Minor Ward
Major wards don't stack. Major and minor can, so sorcs can still heal.
Problem solved. Sorcs will survive this by using other class abilities such as bound aegis and lightning form, with hardened and healing wards. Currently there's almost no real reason to use either with shield stacking.
If we do this however, I want to see some serious rework of *** cloak, because we'll get absolutely eaten alive by magicka NB's. I suspect most of them are the source of all this crying, because one class in the game isn't easy-mode two button kill.
Why would you get eaten alive?
Critable shields. No stacking. Siphon, proxy, VD. Two buttons.
If that happens I'd like to see NB's lose the ability to cloak in plain sight once revealed.
Or you know sorc could build for not being glass cannons under all them shields, like every other class they'd have to use impen.
If i can survive the nb burst on my characters who aren't sorc then you can easily build to survive with the same health pool and a 12k shield on top. It's not hard.
Yeah it's so easy to survive timed Manablade burst as a Sorc. Stop trolling please, you just want your Manablade to be more even more OP than it already is. Only issue with Sorc is that Altmers and mines are OP and should get nerfed.
If shieldstacking gets nerfed than this burst meta should get nerfed too (remove deto...).I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Hardened ward grants Major Ward against all damage
Anulment grants Major Ward against spells
Healing Ward grants Minor Ward
Major wards don't stack. Major and minor can, so sorcs can still heal.
Problem solved. Sorcs will survive this by using other class abilities such as bound aegis and lightning form, with hardened and healing wards. Currently there's almost no real reason to use either with shield stacking.
If we do this however, I want to see some serious rework of *** cloak, because we'll get absolutely eaten alive by magicka NB's. I suspect most of them are the source of all this crying, because one class in the game isn't easy-mode two button kill.
Why would you get eaten alive?
Critable shields. No stacking. Siphon, proxy, VD. Two buttons.
If that happens I'd like to see NB's lose the ability to cloak in plain sight once revealed.
Or you know sorc could build for not being glass cannons under all them shields, like every other class they'd have to use impen.
If i can survive the nb burst on my characters who aren't sorc then you can easily build to survive with the same health pool and a 12k shield on top. It's not hard.
Yeah it's so easy to survive timed Manablade burst as a Sorc. Stop trolling please, you just want your Manablade to be more even more OP than it already is. Only issue with Sorc is that Altmers and mines are OP and should get nerfed.
If shieldstacking gets nerfed than this burst meta should get nerfed too (remove deto...).
I play my templar more than my mana blade, if i can survive the nb burst on a templar and a magicka dk, without a 12k shield to stop more than half the nb then why can't sorc do it?
Oh wait you mean if 3 manablades jump on your you won't be able to survive? Welcome to every other class that doesn't have shields 1.5x their life bar, you'll die but then so would every other class.
People have to tool's to survive but don't use them, for some reason they just can't let go of that 5% extra dmg to get the survivability they need.PS4 EU DC
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✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Eunjung wrote: »
Why is every sorc response 'do it to cloak or nb's this, nb's that' We are talking about sorc just the fact that nb's are a thing is not a valid defence/arguement.
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