Arcanist vs Magician

Hauztein · April 2016

Which CP is most important to maximize as a Magicka NB?
Arcanist or Magician? Or something else?

phillyboy7897 · April 2016

It's doesn't matter just get proxy and VD u don't need sustain

Duiwel · April 2016

phillyboy7897 wrote: »

It's doesn't matter just get proxy and VD u don't need sustain

LOOOL & then stack Thaumaturge don't forget that

lolo_01b16_ESO · April 2016

Well, depends on how you play. For group pve when you get your magicka from other sources than recovery (like elemental drain, siphoning attacks, necrotic orbs) the magician is better. For high regen builds that you often find in pvp the arcanist is most likely better, but to be sure you have to calculate it for your character details.

Alorier · April 2016

Also depends on race

Wing · April 2016

if you have enough points just split between the two, with the diminishing returns this is the mathematically optimal choice.

Septimus_Magna · April 2016

PVE or PVP?

And how much magicka regen/cost reduction do you have without CP?

Autolycus · April 2016

It's common practice to put 100 into Arcanist and then the rest into Magician.

Stannum · April 2016

if you have 167 CP then 100 for regen else for cost otherways put some into cost until next increment will be less then regen increment (0.1-0.2) and then - all to regen.

Asayre · April 2016

For most classes in PvE, you'll want to go 100 into Magician and 67 into Arcanist. This does not change much for different races. I've a spreadsheet to demonstrate this but it is not very straightforward and given the amount of confusion my spreadsheet on Mage CP has generated I'm not going to advertise about the Thief CP spreadsheet here. Also the 100 into Magician and 67 into Arcanist doesn't really change for most endgame PvE builds so there is not too much point in using it. But if you're interested you can click the link in my signature and find the appropriate section.

Hauztein · April 2016

I am sorry, i did not put all info...

My question was for PvE, mostly solo and 4man dungeons.
Im a Breton Mag NB. DW/SB. (hate staffs).

My gear will be probably Twice Born, Julianos, spell...

Oreyn_Bearclaw · April 2016

I have split these every way you can think of. If you are at the CP cap, it doesnt matter that much. I used to always go 100 into reduction and 67 into sustain. But recently I have opted to get 75 sustain (for the harvesting passive), 10 into tumbling, and the rest into reduction. I cant tell much of a difference in my magic sustain, but I can roll more and harvesting nodes is WAY better. If straight PvE, you prob dont need the tumbling.

Edit: To simplify the math, the faster the rate of spell casting, the more reduction is favored over regen. In PvE, when in combat, you cast as fast as possible. So reduction is generally favored. In PvP, there is more downtime so regen becomes more important. @Asayre is definitely the math guru around here. Makes my life a lot easier. haha