Actually the fact that dieing has a negative effect is one of the few good things about IC. You only would have to add more usefull stuff to buy with tel var stones, remove (most of) those annoying npcs and add some pvp ocjectives and it could be a nice area.

That's like the only positive thing about IC.

The only real problem with Tel Var stones is there is little to no incentive to get them once you've got a set that you want. And not many IC sets are wanted anyway.

The point of the system is to reward players for killing other (pve oriented) players.

I suggest going into small groups if you want to minimize risk of losing TV stones to gankers.
Gaining TV stones also goes a lot faster if you have a 6-8 man group for example.

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

I'm pretty sure none of you are templars, its so easy for nightblades or Sorcs to escape and ambush!!

Nah, plenty of people I've seen who enjoy IC are templars/DKs, especially DKs in the sewers. I know this seems difficult for many on these forums to understand, but just because YOU don't like a particular system doesn't mean everyone else hates it as well.

I'm not saying you're *wrong* per se OP, I'm just saying there are some people who feel that the TV system is good the way it is. In fact there are quite a few who feel you should drop ALL of your TV stones, not just 80%. To them it adds an element of excitement since it's the only area that dying actually has a consequence. That being said the devs made this system this way intentionally and they are notoriously stubborn about changing certain systems they themselves like so honestly even if everyone in this thread agree with you it would honestly be moot.

Jaronking wrote: »

Their 3 simple words that will fix all of your problems they are.

Learn Two play.

Those are the 3 simple words people say when they don't have a good argument

A few days back, I stalked a group making their way to Molag bal. I was on my own and on my magicka nightbkade and had 0 stones, so I said 'feck it sure ill follow them and see what I can do', so I watched them for a while as they did the portals and then when they killed Molag, and were looting him... I had my proxy det ready, I lotused in, threw around some sap essences with a bat swarm.. And vicious death did the rest.

Easiest 11k telvar a I ever made. I must've killed fourteen or fifteen of them in the short battle. I'm raging though because I got the in-game achievement for the tv drops, but not the Xbox achievement.

The things vicious death, the element of surprise and an overconfident enemy team with no tank, can lead to can be funny.

But my point is, telvars are a risk reward thing. You can run down and bank very 100, and take weeks to get anywhere. Or you can go all in and get insanely competitive.

Have you any idea how exciting it is running Hone thru the sewers holding 11k stones KNOWING that people are hunting me and they'll never forget what I did? I was short of breath, my heart was racing.. I even got a little heartburn.

Don't look at telvars as something you loose. Think of them as something you have to earn.

(And yeah I know you can just teleport or switch campaigns to exit the sewers immediatly, but I don't like doing that. It spoils the purpose)

jeeves3krwb17_ESO wrote: »

I disagree completely with the OP, tv stones dropping on death is great and adds an added mechanic to pvp.

However, TV system does suck as the stones are worthless. I have 250k TV stones and nothing to spend them on now that repora are a dime a dozen.

More useful items for TV would be great!

You can spend them on materials and runes. Not worthless at all, stop whining.

Lol ^

I wonder if the mechanic is so popular why is IC deserted and has been since launch basically? The only way to get PVE players there for you guys to kill is to make the stones not drop. Thats why the area didnt sell very well and thats why there is noone there now. PVE players dont like it and PVP players dont like it. Was a terrible idea to have the stones lootable. Someone was thinking they could make this into a PVP game by doing it.

Come to find out PVP players didnt even want IC. They want a lag free experience with PVP objectives free from PVE. PVE people dont even care about dying they just want to keep their currency. So the solution is going to be complicated. The first thing they could do is turn off player looting. That would help a bit but really the entire DLC was a horrible idea and needs to be completely redone.

Usara wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I wonder if the mechanic is so popular why is IC deserted and has been since launch basically?.

It has been said multiple times above : there's basically nothing to do with the TV.

And if it is "so" deserted, there's no risk of losing your TV, huh ?

I played for hours in IC never saw an other player. Trueflame PC NA. I did see a group in the sewers of opposing faction players but they didnt kill me. I didnt mess with them. They left me alone. I did find one person who attacked me. I managed somehow to kill him and he had 1800+ stones on him. All total I had 3200 stones in a couple hours. The main reason I left was the mobs are difficult to take on solo simply because there are so many of them.

If you check the PVP forum noone there likes IC either. The entire area needs to be reworked. My idea would be remove all the mobs up top. Make TV drop like AP instead of loot. Sewers can remain the same for those who like all the PVE mobs. Up top should be no mobs whatsoever and PVP objectives of some sort like they have in cyrodill. Then maybe people will use it. The only reason I even went there was I renewed by ESO plus sub so basically its free right now.

I run Ic most of the time with my templar and find it ok for TV stones yeah its a little annoying when you get mobbed and lose loads but most of the time you can get them back in 1 maybe 2 chests, what I find most annoying is the reduction in healing wth is with that doing that is the most annoying thing about IC and its not like its a small reduction its a large one and even champion points to 100 in blessed dont make a difference

I am a Magicka based Templar and when I do venture to IC for a run I enjoy it. But, I never run alone - I suck at PVP. With a good group I often make it back to base with 800 - 1000 tv stones. However, I have also lost that many on some runs which makes me sad but its a gamble down there. Group up people -its more fun anyway.

Also, if you didn't drop and exchange TV's when you die what would be the point of making it PvP based at all?