Nightblades Ruining PVP Again...

Lylith · April 2016

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Whatzituyah wrote: »

Anzriel wrote: »

You know what would fix things? Fixing the actual issues in pvp rather than the band-aid fixes known as proxy det and vicious death. They aren't the problems, they're symptoms of other issues they refuse to see in pvp.

Animation Canceling? Zerging? Lag?

It's all of this in combination, plus AOE caps and "balancing issues". It's literally as though ZOS wants the game to go toward a magicka direction, but at the same time refuse to balance and check silly stamina things (e.g. Wrecking Blow spam and Steel Tornado spam).

James-Wayne wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Wait I thought everyone said NB are going to be dead because of the changes to cloak and magelight.What changed?

Because NBs complained so magelight got nerfed to being not worth it

Yep. I refuse to touch Magelight or any of its morphs. Even on my Sorcerer and Templar. Forget that noise. It's a complete waste of a slot. And even then, I don't know why Nightblades complained about it. All they did was just initiate a fight, then cloak away when they started losing. And ironically enough? That's what they're STILL doing. But, this time incorporating Proxy Detonation, Sap Essence, and Soul Tether into the mix. Thus making things even worse than before. You thought Imperial City was bad back then with Nightblade gankers? Haha! It's way worse now.

fwiw, proxy det, soul tether, and sap essence are nothing new.

as for magelight, like character run speed and rapids, zos should've left it alone.

jmho, ofc.

OtarTheMad · April 2016

The bombs you see NBs do (proxy+tether+sap... added in VD) any class can do really... well maybe not Templars. Dragonknights- Proxy+Leap+Draw Essence/Talons. Sorcs- Proxy+Meteor+Streak+Impulse. Templars... hm... not sure.... probably Proxy+Meteor+Shards (stun)+Jabs.

All you have to do is be a Glass Cannon and do 5pc Julianos or Alchemist or Vicious Death and you're set. Need to get high spell damage (3k+) and high max magicka (35k+) so obviously all gear is v16 and purple at least.

strikeback1247 · April 2016

When TG came out I asked myself one question: "why do I, as a stam nb, only oneshot one guy at a time when I could oneshot ten guys at a time as a mag nb?" That was it.

Korah_Eaglecry · April 2016

I love how somehow the blame falls on the NBs when it was players in general demanding a means to zerg-bust in Cyrodiil. ZOS facilitates this and suddenly players are looking for someone to blame. And who do they go after? The easiest target they can think of. Nightblades. When all else fails...Blame the ones youve always fell back to blame when your shortcomings were exposed.

Ragnaroek93 · April 2016

I just hope my Stamblade won't get more nerfs because of this deto and vd ***

Ch4mpTW · April 2016

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

I love how somehow the blame falls on the NBs when it was players in general demanding a means to zerg-bust in Cyrodiil. ZOS facilitates this and suddenly players are looking for someone to blame. And who do they go after? The easiest target they can think of. Nightblades. When all else fails...Blame the ones youve always fell back to blame when your shortcomings were exposed.

But... It is the Nightblade class which took this to a whole new problematic level. You see... Nightblades are like that acquaintance who always has to take things too far. You know. The guy who in a slap-boxing match closes his hands to make fists, or the person who in fighting games chooses the tier 1 characters and spams the overpowered combo nonstop. Those are Nightblades in PVP. They take something and then fundamentally break/ruin it. They exploit something to the fullest. Granted the objective is to win, sometimes enough is enough. Sometimes it's okay to just relax and not go full try-hard.

acw37162 · April 2016

I wasted a level 34 Magic NightBlade solo Old Sangara world boss in Wrothgar.

Tryxus · April 2016

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

I love how somehow the blame falls on the NBs when it was players in general demanding a means to zerg-bust in Cyrodiil. ZOS facilitates this and suddenly players are looking for someone to blame. And who do they go after? The easiest target they can think of. Nightblades. When all else fails...Blame the ones youve always fell back to blame when your shortcomings were exposed.

Thing is: MagBlades were alrdy Zergbusters before VD. Proxy + Devouring + Sap Essence + Shadow Image is something I've been doing alot, even before TG was released to break up zergs.

In that regard, VD synergizes pretty well with MagBlades since 1 death in the zerg sets off a chain reaction with Devouring and Sap. But IMHO, it's just overkill and it discourages proper teamwork as well

Thornen · April 2016

Blaming NB's is just wrong when the real issue stems from poor design choices in the dev team.

strikeback1247 · April 2016

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

I love how somehow the blame falls on the NBs when it was players in general demanding a means to zerg-bust in Cyrodiil. ZOS facilitates this and suddenly players are looking for someone to blame. And who do they go after? The easiest target they can think of. Nightblades. When all else fails...Blame the ones youve always fell back to blame when your shortcomings were exposed.

But... It is the Nightblade class which took this to a whole new problematic level. You see... Nightblades are like that acquaintance who always has to take things too far. You know. The guy who in a slap-boxing match closes his hands to make fists, or the person who in fighting games chooses the tier 1 characters and spams the overpowered combo nonstop. Those are Nightblades in PVP. They take something and then fundamentally break/ruin it. They exploit something to the fullest. Granted the objective is to win, sometimes enough is enough. Sometimes it's okay to just relax and not go full try-hard.

I can tell you that blowing up 10+ people it THE most therapeutic, calming thing I've ever done in this game. Using cloak to just sneak in the middle of a group to then just melt em all and stand there afterwards to watch the mayhem. The rest of the group then probably kills you cause you have no resources anymore, but your mission is already accomplished...

ku5h · April 2016

I could count on one hand how many times i died to this combo, and i wouldnt even use up all my fingers. I really dont get ppl saying its killing pvp, lol. If its really ruining your pvp experience, then i can only imagine you are runing in tight ball group of unaware pugs, which are like shining beacons right now. And you deserve to die. Just to note, i do have full set of VD, and did some bombing for couple of weeks, but it got bored quickly and your dueling capabilityes in this setup are terible. Yea, its easy to blow up bunch of noobs, but exped ppl just shrug it off.

Egonieser · April 2016

ku5h wrote: »

I could count on one hand how many times i died to this combo, and i wouldnt even use up all my fingers. I really dont get ppl saying its killing pvp, lol. If its really ruining your pvp experience, then i can only imagine you are runing in tight ball group of unaware pugs, which are like shining beacons right now. And you deserve to die. Just to note, i do have full set of VD, and did some bombing for couple of weeks, but it got bored quickly and your dueling capabilityes in this setup are terible. Yea, its easy to blow up bunch of noobs, but exped ppl just shrug it off.

Yeah that's what I said, it doesn't work outside of blowing up noob groups. Any organized group will never let that happen as someone will always have flares, magelight slotted and barrier up at the sight of danger. It's a very situational setup that works only against clueless ball groups. And then.. What happens when fights quiet down in the evening - no more ball groups but just small scale here and there - you're stuck with a set that goes nowhere if not in the particular setting, means you would need to have 2 sets of gear/weapons - one for busting noobgroups, other for regular play, changing gear/skills/CP before every encounter doesn't just seem appealing to me whatsoever.

Ch4mpTW · April 2016

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

I love how somehow the blame falls on the NBs when it was players in general demanding a means to zerg-bust in Cyrodiil. ZOS facilitates this and suddenly players are looking for someone to blame. And who do they go after? The easiest target they can think of. Nightblades. When all else fails...Blame the ones youve always fell back to blame when your shortcomings were exposed.

But... It is the Nightblade class which took this to a whole new problematic level. You see... Nightblades are like that acquaintance who always has to take things too far. You know. The guy who in a slap-boxing match closes his hands to make fists, or the person who in fighting games chooses the tier 1 characters and spams the overpowered combo nonstop. Those are Nightblades in PVP. They take something and then fundamentally break/ruin it. They exploit something to the fullest. Granted the objective is to win, sometimes enough is enough. Sometimes it's okay to just relax and not go full try-hard.

I can tell you that blowing up 10+ people it THE most therapeutic, calming thing I've ever done in this game. Using cloak to just sneak in the middle of a group to then just melt em all and stand there afterwards to watch the mayhem. The rest of the group then probably kills you cause you have no resources anymore, but your mission is already accomplished...

... So that's what you Nightblades do now to feel successful? That's your new standard and measurement of success? "Well, I can nuke 10 newbies standing together — then get completely slaughtered by anyone competent in a 1v1 or worse. Get my face stomped in by a small group who expects the foolishness, just waiting for a Nightblade to pop-up in the center attempting to bomb their squad."

Damn... Y'all bandwagon Nightblades got "it" all messed up in terms of determining skill and success. Lol. This is again why I respect and salute stamina Nightblades, and or magicka Nightblades who have their eyes on the true prize. The true masters of their class who don't rely on this ridiculous gimmick for kills.

Jaronking · April 2016

Lmao the OP in this thread is cracking me up complaining about NB when he is playing easy Mode Sorcs its just killing me.L2P man plus if Magical Nb can't kill you then I see no reason for this thread or you complaining.Am starting to think all you do is stack up in a ball group and tired of being killed so you are here complaining on the forums.

NativeJoe · April 2016

I think We need more of these guys... let there not be any zergs left alive...and MAYBE just MAYBE the server lag will dissipate and we'll actually get some "real" pvp done.

Pomaikai · April 2016

Jaronking wrote: »

Wait I thought everyone said NB are going to be dead because of the changes to cloak and magelight.What changed?

The Dev's play NB's, so they just created a new way for themselves to gank.

oibam · April 2016

Vicious Death was the idea of a zerg killer, but what happened? Zergs even became bigger. Why? Because of the AoE cap the Vicious Death is a small group killer -> most small groups are not leaving the keeps.

I think, proxy deto should be nerfed further against single target and less than 6 targets but buffed against more than 6 targets. Or you can't sneak with an active proxy deto, because clever alchi proc + deto + soul tether + sap essence in the very same moment out of sneak or cloak is a little bit too much.

jowww97 · April 2016

Damn nightblades ruining pvp experience!!

https://youtube.com/watch?v=lYO3do2khqk

Ch4mpTW · April 2016

oibam wrote: »

Vicious Death was the idea of a zerg killer, but what happened? Zergs even became bigger. Why? Because of the AoE cap the Vicious Death is a small group killer -> most small groups are not leaving the keeps.

I think, proxy deto should be nerfed further against single target and less than 6 targets but buffed against more than 6 targets. Or you can't sneak with an active proxy deto, because clever alchi proc + deto + soul tether + sap essence in the very same moment out of sneak or cloak is a little bit too much.

Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. I agree with you 100%.

STEVIL · April 2016

Dang it, now i have to find my list from maybe yesterday of the dozen things or three classes that are killing pvp due to being op and unstoppable based on CURRENTTHREADS to see how much of this one was covered there.

Its really getting harder to keep track of how many totally op over the top game breaking killer abuses make pvp bad for this class, and that class, and any class with this or the other class with that or...

dang, head spinning.

must be sugar rush from too much cake.

Definitely not gonna be dialing up my pvp play now since it looks like 3 classes, maybe 4, with four or five different alternative approaches can each dominate the game and make all others obsolete.

Xsorus · April 2016

Don't stack..and Vd won't be a problem

TequilaFire · April 2016

Just have all the OP Templars RD the naughty Nightblades!

Ravereth · April 2016

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Yep... Another one of these threads. (...)

Cure4theEn3my14 · April 2016

I will agree that this build is not good for the game. It is broken. However, I don't care anymore. Using this build is the only way I can have fun in the game anymore. With the performance and class balance issues I get online and blow up zergs until I'm bored. I will continue to play this build until they nerf it into the ground, or come up with another ridiculous band-aid fix, and when they do I will most likely stop playing.

Ch4mpTW · April 2016

Ravereth wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Yep... Another one of these threads. (...)

Lmao. This made my day.

Yusuf · April 2016

I switched from NB to Templar during this patch and i kinda disagree with this thread.
As long as you're not in fullblown zerg-hive-mind-mode and are cautious about cc-breaking and healing back up most of these NBs aren't a problem.

They're actually.. kind of bad once you survive that one-trick-pony-thing they're doing

Then again, maybe i've just encountered the bad ones on PC EU? Heck, what do i know.

Ch4mpTW · April 2016

Yusuf wrote: »

I switched from NB to Templar during this patch and i kinda disagree with this thread.
As long as you're not in fullblown zerg-hive-mind-mode and are cautious about cc-breaking and healing back up most of these NBs aren't a problem.

They're actually.. kind of bad once you survive that one-trick-pony-thing they're doing

Then again, maybe i've just encountered the bad ones on PC EU? Heck, what do i know.

They are a problem. You see, being as I almost exclusively PVP with my Sorcerer — these Nightblades aren't killing me. They can't really pop my shields, so when I notice them? I CC-break and proceed to annihilate them. However! Those who aren't Sorcerers? I see them catching it from this broken Nightblade combo, and getting really frustrated. Not only do I see it, I hear it nonstop. Seriously. I hear complaints about it almost every 15-20mins. Not to mention, these Nightblades have admittedly caught me a few times whilst in the middle of sieging. And as you can imagine, it's rough when that happens.

Xsorus · April 2016

Yusuf wrote: »

I switched from NB to Templar during this patch and i kinda disagree with this thread.
As long as you're not in fullblown zerg-hive-mind-mode and are cautious about cc-breaking and healing back up most of these NBs aren't a problem.

They're actually.. kind of bad once you survive that one-trick-pony-thing they're doing

Then again, maybe i've just encountered the bad ones on PC EU? Heck, what do i know.

That's because unless they kill you outright they'll die because the setup lacks Sustain.

Ariisen · April 2016

Proxy\Soul Thether VD bomb are sooo spammed this days that yesterday I killed around ten guys that tried to do it to me and one friend in 1v2\2v2 situations.

It's just stupid.

actosh · April 2016

They should stop releasing Bugged dlcs for a while and get the game work again. Such a mess. Remove band aid fixes and make it work as it should. Even the xp bonus is bugged.....