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Nightblades Ruining PVP Again...
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Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's always the NB's fault...
"ZOS, we're being picked on again!"
"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
Tryxus - Guardian of the Green - Warden - PC/EU0 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This is exactly what ZOS wanted. Be mad at them don't be mad at the player.
Wrong: The player decides to use, what ends up being hated, so they can dominate. Just as bullies always do. All you can blame ZOS for, is creating some sort of social experiment, wherein everyone smart enough gets to see, who takes the easy and who takes the challenging path.
Hate might be the wrong word, pity fits it better in my opinion...
Actually no it's not, ZOS introduced a set designed to destroy stacked groups, and you are gonna get mad at the player for using it?
You guys have some serious issues if you take a video game and apply guns, bullies, social experiments to it. Get over yourselves it's a game lol.
While I understand what you are attempting to say, no issues are there bar those that ZOS have facilitated. Last I checked there are bullies online, as well as game developers performing social experiments with their consumers. These experiments in particular are what's used to devise a plan (under most circumstances about going forward with the franchise/product). And the issue here is what ZOS has enabled in PVP regarding Nightblades and Proximity Detonation, among numerous other issues they've created for themselves but most importantly — their consumers.0 -
Zyle✭✭✭✭✭This is exactly what ZOS wanted. Be mad at them don't be mad at the player.
Wrong: The player decides to use, what ends up being hated, so they can dominate. Just as bullies always do. All you can blame ZOS for, is creating some sort of social experiment, wherein everyone smart enough gets to see, who takes the easy and who takes the challenging path.
Hate might be the wrong word, pity fits it better in my opinion...
Actually no it's not, ZOS introduced a set designed to destroy stacked groups, and you are gonna get mad at the player for using it?
You guys have some serious issues if you take a video game and apply guns, bullies, social experiments to it. Get over yourselves it's a game lol.
While I understand what you are attempting to say, no issues are there bar those that ZOS have facilitated. Last I checked there are bullies online, as well as game developers performing social experiments with their consumers. These experiments in particular are what's used to devise a plan (under most circumstances about going forward with the franchise/product). And the issue here is what ZOS has enabled in PVP regarding Nightblades and Proximity Detonation, among numerous other issues they've created for themselves but most importantly — their consumers.
Last I checked you never stop q_qing on the forums so how do you even know what is in the game anymore? You have no clue if this company is running "social experiments" because other companies run "social experiments", that logic is hilarious.
At the end of the day, you got rekt by a FOTM meta that you dislike and you went to the forums to q_q about it. What you said literally proved my point 2 posts ago, be mad at ZOS, not the player.
676 CP
Zyle - LVL50 Stamina Nightblade - Former Emp AS - VMA Clear (Flawless)
Joven - LVL50 Hybrid Templar
Adion - LVL50 Stamina DK
Radac - LVL50 Magicka Sorcerer
Vanikath - LVL50 Magicka DK3 -
Kelces✭✭✭✭✭Actually no it's not, ZOS introduced a set designed to destroy stacked groups, and you are gonna get mad at the player for using it?
You guys have some serious issues if you take a video game and apply guns, bullies, social experiments to it. Get over yourselves it's a game lol.
You might have some issues yourself by missing half of the message:
Read my last sentence again. There you can see, that I don't do that sort of thing. The part about a "social experiment" is just conjecture based on this...
excuse for everything a player does.Be mad at them don't be mad at the player.
Because nobody at ZOS forces anyone to use the new sets, right? Still, many do it. So, who's "fault" is it now and should get "blamed" according to your wording?
You reveal yourself best in how you play.
Kelces - Argonian Templar
Farel Donvu - Dark Elf Sorcerer
Navam Llervu - Dark Elf Dragonknight
Aniseth - Wood Elf Warden
Therediel - Wood Elf Templar
Nilonwy - Wood Elf Nightblade
Jurupari - Argonian Warden
Kú-Chulainn - Argonian Sorcerer
PC - EU
For the Pact!0 -
svartorn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Vicious death doesn't *** me off as much as the loading screens mid-combat or animation cancelling shitforbrains people in Cyrodiil.
ZOS never going to fix these problems.
Edit: lol really? "p iss" is censored? Are we 8 years old?Edited by svartorn on April 3, 2016 8:33PM2 -
Zyle✭✭✭✭✭Actually no it's not, ZOS introduced a set designed to destroy stacked groups, and you are gonna get mad at the player for using it?
You guys have some serious issues if you take a video game and apply guns, bullies, social experiments to it. Get over yourselves it's a game lol.
You might have some issues yourself by missing half of the message:
Read my last sentence again. There you can see, that I don't do that sort of thing. The part about a "social experiment" is just conjecture based on this...
excuse for everything a player does.Be mad at them don't be mad at the player.
Because nobody at ZOS forces anyone to use the new sets, right? Still, many do it. So, who's "fault" is it now and should get "blamed" according to your wording?
You're the only one here talking about things outside of a video game.
Are you kidding me? ZOS forced EVERYONE IN GAME to use Endurance/Willpower/Agility. Please do your research before making utterly false statements.
676 CP
Zyle - LVL50 Stamina Nightblade - Former Emp AS - VMA Clear (Flawless)
Joven - LVL50 Hybrid Templar
Adion - LVL50 Stamina DK
Radac - LVL50 Magicka Sorcerer
Vanikath - LVL50 Magicka DK0 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭... You know the sad thing? I rarely ever get killed by Nightblades. This is fact. They seldom can ever break the shields on my Sorcerer, unless 1v8 or higher. Meanwhile I proceed to tear through them like wet facial tissue via c-frags and crushing shock in combination with Velocious Curse and Mage's Wrath. You don't know me, nor have seen me in combat. Please don't pretend like you have.
I made this post after hearing day in and day out of Nightblades mucking up Cyrodiil and seeing the foolishness for myself. I also know tons of people who don't have a forum account, but have given me their opinions via guild chat and what not. So, I figured it'd be right to share how numerous people feel. And from the replies to this thread...? I suppose these people's feelings of Nightblades must be pretty dang strong.0 -
Yolokin_Swagonborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »The problem is Magicka Detonation.
The problem is CP. Play on Azuras Star. Magicka Det doesn't really hit hard there. It's the burst meta + lag that makes this game unenjoyable.
This game used to be about resource management. Not jacking your damage to the roof and compensating regen/mitigation with CP.Edited by Yolokin_Swagonborn on April 3, 2016 11:24PM4 -
Kelces✭✭✭✭✭You're the only one here talking about things outside of a video game.
Are you kidding me? ZOS forced EVERYONE IN GAME to use Endurance/Willpower/Agility. Please do your research before making utterly false statements.
Interesting, how does the company do this? Perhaps by holding a club over your head and saying "Use this, or else!"? But I am having "issues", wow...
You reveal yourself best in how you play.
Kelces - Argonian Templar
Farel Donvu - Dark Elf Sorcerer
Navam Llervu - Dark Elf Dragonknight
Aniseth - Wood Elf Warden
Therediel - Wood Elf Templar
Nilonwy - Wood Elf Nightblade
Jurupari - Argonian Warden
Kú-Chulainn - Argonian Sorcerer
PC - EU
For the Pact!0 -
Zyle✭✭✭✭✭You're the only one here talking about things outside of a video game.
Are you kidding me? ZOS forced EVERYONE IN GAME to use Endurance/Willpower/Agility. Please do your research before making utterly false statements.
Interesting, how does the company do this? Perhaps by holding a club over your head and saying "Use this, or else!"? But I am having "issues", wow...
You are clueless then. When IC came out if you didn't have Agility/Endurance/Willpower then you didn't have VR16 jewelry enchants. You just don't like that you're wrong.
676 CP
Zyle - LVL50 Stamina Nightblade - Former Emp AS - VMA Clear (Flawless)
Joven - LVL50 Hybrid Templar
Adion - LVL50 Stamina DK
Radac - LVL50 Magicka Sorcerer
Vanikath - LVL50 Magicka DK2 -
Kelces✭✭✭✭✭You are clueless then. When IC came out if you didn't have Agility/Endurance/Willpower then you didn't have VR16 jewelry enchants. You just don't like that you're wrong.
Oh, I am completely aware of the "maximum efficiency" for competitiveness kind of play. Still, the player decides, if he/she feels the need for it. Got it?
You reveal yourself best in how you play.
Kelces - Argonian Templar
Farel Donvu - Dark Elf Sorcerer
Navam Llervu - Dark Elf Dragonknight
Aniseth - Wood Elf Warden
Therediel - Wood Elf Templar
Nilonwy - Wood Elf Nightblade
Jurupari - Argonian Warden
Kú-Chulainn - Argonian Sorcerer
PC - EU
For the Pact!0 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Actually no it's not, ZOS introduced a set designed to destroy stacked groups, and you are gonna get mad at the player for using it?
You guys have some serious issues if you take a video game and apply guns, bullies, social experiments to it. Get over yourselves it's a game lol.
You might have some issues yourself by missing half of the message:
Read my last sentence again. There you can see, that I don't do that sort of thing. The part about a "social experiment" is just conjecture based on this...
excuse for everything a player does.Be mad at them don't be mad at the player.
Because nobody at ZOS forces anyone to use the new sets, right? Still, many do it. So, who's "fault" is it now and should get "blamed" according to your wording?
You're the only one here talking about things outside of a video game.
Are you kidding me? ZOS forced EVERYONE IN GAME to use Endurance/Willpower/Agility. Please do your research before making utterly false statements.
I don't know what your problem is, but again — your information and opinions have deep flaws. ZOS did NOT force ANYONE to use: Agility, Endurance, and Willpower sets. It was a choice. An option. Not forced. Forced is when something is enforced or compulsory. Neither of which was done by Zenimax. Would it be OPTIMAL for builds to use those one or more of those three sets? Yes. I think so. But forced? No. It was the players who choose to use them. I mean out of curiosity, is Zenimax forcing Nightblades to spam Sap Essence, Soul Tether, and Proximity Detonation? No. Is ZOS forcing Nightblades to use Cloak when at low health instead of maybe Healing Ward and or a potion of sorts? No. So please, let's be mindful of what we say. Opinion or not. Let's keep it educated.Edited by Ch4mpTW on April 3, 2016 8:47PM0 -
Zyle✭✭✭✭✭You are clueless then. When IC came out if you didn't have Agility/Endurance/Willpower then you didn't have VR16 jewelry enchants. You just don't like that you're wrong.
Oh, I am completely aware of the "maximum efficiency" for competitiveness kind of play. Still, the player decides, if he/she feels the need for it. Got it?
You can use an outdated sure, but you'll stand 0 chance in PvP, which is what we're talking about here. You're delusional if you think that ZOS making only 3 sets VR16 equates to them not forcing people into using them. The difference between VR14 enchants and VR16 is substantial enough to lose to another player in PvP, so yeah maybe someone would use VR14 for a while, but eventually they'll be using VR16 jewelry like everyone else. Got it?
676 CP
Zyle - LVL50 Stamina Nightblade - Former Emp AS - VMA Clear (Flawless)
Joven - LVL50 Hybrid Templar
Adion - LVL50 Stamina DK
Radac - LVL50 Magicka Sorcerer
Vanikath - LVL50 Magicka DK4 -
Zyle✭✭✭✭✭Actually no it's not, ZOS introduced a set designed to destroy stacked groups, and you are gonna get mad at the player for using it?
You guys have some serious issues if you take a video game and apply guns, bullies, social experiments to it. Get over yourselves it's a game lol.
You might have some issues yourself by missing half of the message:
Read my last sentence again. There you can see, that I don't do that sort of thing. The part about a "social experiment" is just conjecture based on this...
excuse for everything a player does.Be mad at them don't be mad at the player.
Because nobody at ZOS forces anyone to use the new sets, right? Still, many do it. So, who's "fault" is it now and should get "blamed" according to your wording?
You're the only one here talking about things outside of a video game.
Are you kidding me? ZOS forced EVERYONE IN GAME to use Endurance/Willpower/Agility. Please do your research before making utterly false statements.
I don't know what your problem is, but again — your information and opinions have deep flaws. ZOS did NOT force ANYONE to use: Agility, Endurance, and Willpower sets. It was a choice. An option. Not forced. Forced is when something is enforced or compulsory. Neither of which was done by Zenimax. Would it be OPTIMAL for builds to use those one or more of those three sets? Yes. I think so. But forced? No. It was the players who choose to use them. I mean out of curiosity, is Zenimax forcing Nightblades to spam Sap Essence, Soul Tether, and Proximity Detonation? No. Is ZOS forcing Nightblades to use Cloak when at low health instead of maybe Healing Ward and or a potion of sorts? No. So please, let's be mindful of what we say. Opinion or not. Let's keep it educated.
You asking people to be mindful of what we say? You insult people in your threads left and right, so yeah not giving you that respect because it simply isn't mutual.
If ZOS wasn't forcing people to use Agility/Endurance/Willpower then why didn't they scale other jewelry sets? Answer that one for me I'm seriously interested in the answer.
You're taking my point way too far, I said ZOS introduced a set they knew would have the sole purpose of blowing up large amounts of players, just like they introduced proxy det as an anti-zerg mechanic. Implying that ZOS has no intention whatsoever when releasing these sets is a joke. You can keep getting mad at the players and create all the threads you want, I'll keep getting mad at ZOS for band-aid fixes and the lack of balance.
676 CP
Zyle - LVL50 Stamina Nightblade - Former Emp AS - VMA Clear (Flawless)
Joven - LVL50 Hybrid Templar
Adion - LVL50 Stamina DK
Radac - LVL50 Magicka Sorcerer
Vanikath - LVL50 Magicka DK3 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You are clueless then. When IC came out if you didn't have Agility/Endurance/Willpower then you didn't have VR16 jewelry enchants. You just don't like that you're wrong.
Oh, I am completely aware of the "maximum efficiency" for competitiveness kind of play. Still, the player decides, if he/she feels the need for it. Got it?
You can use an outdated sure, but you'll stand 0 chance in PvP, which is what we're talking about here. You're delusional if you think that ZOS making only 3 sets VR16 equates to them not forcing people into using them. The difference between VR14 enchants and VR16 is substantial enough to lose to another player in PvP, so yeah maybe someone would use VR14 for a while, but eventually they'll be using VR16 jewelry like everyone else. Got it?
Actually I beg to differ. There's a quite a few people (thirty or so) in two of my PVP guilds (both over four hundred members) that run Necropotence for their pet build. And if memory serves me correctly, that's a veteran rank twelve set. Mind you, they're veteran rank sixteen themselves and at the champion point cap. How've they been doing in combat...? Well, they can do 1vX no problem as well as take resources by themselves in a timely fashion. So... Yeah. I've also seen them make swift work of tank Dragonknights.
But still! Back on topic. This Nightblade combo of: Proximity Detonation, sap essence, and soul tether in conjunction with the Vicious Death set needs to be balanced and checked. It's a very real problem in PVP and getting worse and worse by the day.0 -
Egonieser✭✭✭✭✭
✭I have a magblade with a killer setup for 1 vs 1/2 with great sustain and utility for any situation, has a staff, good amount of SP and magicka/recovery.
I am wondering though if I am missing out not using VD. I know by using it there is no way I'm keeping my current DPS/sustain combo and will perform badly in fair fights or duels, same like any other NB using VD who dies the very second after popping his combo.
I mean, is using a very situational, but good groupbuster combo worth losing sustain and high DPS (and before you say, burst =\= DPS). I have literally not encountered a single NB who runs the deadly combo set win against me in normal circumstances, and why would he - less DPS, less regen, no sustain whatsoever. And without the group around to increase proxy damage and process vicious death - it's next to useless.
Is it worth it in the end? I am torn. Everyone keeps going on about it's OPness, but since I don't usually run in bomb groups or zergs, I rarely feel it. Can't decide which to go with. I feel like I'm missing out if I don't, but by crunching numbers it also feels much more inferior in every other way outside from that burst combo, which only works while attacking a group.Edited by Egonieser on April 3, 2016 9:02PMSometimes, I dream about...cheese...
Dermont - v16 Pompous Altmer Sorcerer (With a very arrogant face!)
Egonieser - v16 Nord Stamina Dragonborn Wannabe
Endoly - v16 Tiny Redguard Sharpened MaceBlade
Egosalina - v16 Breton Cheesus Beam Specialist
Egowen - v16 Dunmer Whipping Expert (Riding crops eluded her)
(Yes, I had to grind all these to v16)
Akamanakh - lvl 22 Khajiit GankBlade (Inspired by Top Cat)
Targos Icewind - lvl 34 Imperial (Future) Jabplar
(CP 830+)
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NativeJoe✭✭✭✭✭I havn't been killed once by detonation NB's. Atleast not yet. I'm sure it will happen at some point. but it isn't happening enough for me to care about.... And I'm going to bet it's not what is killing any of you the most. infact I'd put money on it. Download kill counter (it's and addon) and check your feelings up against reality. What is killing you? how are you killing others? what class messes you up?
I just reset my addons and I have 12 deaths to 144 NB kills. I'm literally dying to them 1/12 . so I don't think they're the "issue"650cp+ Sorcerer 100+ days /played
Broken'Stick North American Server
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Sheezabeast✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I just wish they would stop making it proc off of Siege.Grand Master Crafter, Beta baby who grew with the game. PC/NA. @Sheezabeast if you have crafting needs!0 -
Zyle✭✭✭✭✭You are clueless then. When IC came out if you didn't have Agility/Endurance/Willpower then you didn't have VR16 jewelry enchants. You just don't like that you're wrong.
Oh, I am completely aware of the "maximum efficiency" for competitiveness kind of play. Still, the player decides, if he/she feels the need for it. Got it?
You can use an outdated sure, but you'll stand 0 chance in PvP, which is what we're talking about here. You're delusional if you think that ZOS making only 3 sets VR16 equates to them not forcing people into using them. The difference between VR14 enchants and VR16 is substantial enough to lose to another player in PvP, so yeah maybe someone would use VR14 for a while, but eventually they'll be using VR16 jewelry like everyone else. Got it?
Actually I beg to differ. There's a quite a few people (thirty or so) in two of my PVP guilds (both over four hundred members) that run Necropotence for their pet build. And if memory serves me correctly, that's a veteran rank twelve set. Mind you, they're veteran rank sixteen themselves and at the champion point cap. How've they been doing in combat...? Well, they can do 1vX no problem as well as take resources by themselves in a timely fashion. So... Yeah. I've also seen them make swift work of tank Dragonknights.
But still! Back on topic. This Nightblade combo of: Proximity Detonation, sap essence, and soul tether in conjunction with the Vicious Death set needs to be balanced and checked. It's a very real problem in PVP and getting worse and worse by the day.
You don't see those builds in Cyrodiil, at least when I do they run out of resources and die. That was more of a popular thing to do when VR14 was cap and even then very few people could pull it off in PvP without being run out of resources.
The problem in your combo is simply proxy det. It needs to have the opposite effect that it does on multiple players. If it's single target reduce the dmg, problem fixed and no more insta-gibs on single players while it maintains the original purpose behind ZOS introducing it into game when it comes to bombing larger player groups.
People don't realize that this stuff hits PTS and people tell ZOS: Hey this is overpowered or hey when you use all these together it kind of creates an unstoppable combo.
Do they listen? No.
676 CP
Zyle - LVL50 Stamina Nightblade - Former Emp AS - VMA Clear (Flawless)
Joven - LVL50 Hybrid Templar
Adion - LVL50 Stamina DK
Radac - LVL50 Magicka Sorcerer
Vanikath - LVL50 Magicka DK1 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I have a magblade with a killer setup for 1 vs 1/2 with great sustain and utility for any situation, has a staff, good amount of SP and magicka/recovery.
I am wondering though if I am missing out not using VD. I know by using it there is no way I'm keeping my current DPS/sustain combo and will perform badly in fair fights or duels, same like any other NB using VD who dies the very second after popping his combo.
I mean, is using a very situational, but good groupbuster combo worth losing sustain and high DPS (and before you say, burst =\= DPS). I have literally not encountered a single NB who runs the deadly combo set win against me in normal circumstances, and why would he - less DPS, less regen, no sustain whatsoever. And without the group around to increase proxy damage and process vicious death - it's next to useless.
Is it worth it in the end? I am torn. Everyone keeps going on about it's OPness, but since I don't usually run in bomb groups or zergs, I rarely feel it. Can't decide which to go with. I feel like I'm missing out if I don't, but by crunching numbers it also feels much more inferior in every other way outside from that burst combo.
You're a magicka Nightblade with some solid game plans, and you have some sustain too? With the staff and all that!? You go boy! Don't become another Nightblade statistic. Please don't. As is you haven't been "tainted" by the meta. Just seduced by it. It's okay to be different (so long as it isn't logical in sort of way). So if I were you? I'd say stay away from it. As it is, people are judgmental and speak very negatively of Njghtblades (I definitely do). No need to truly fit the bill and live up to its stigma and stereotypes.0 -
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Me? Getting mad bout these no-skill-band-wagon-jumper? No, 1-2 shot them with my stam-blade, you know...single target
And if i feel realy nasty and wanna some free 10k ap easy mode i switch to my vicious death-set on my stam-blade, grab a green zerg and leech the *** out of them ( from safe position ).
Edited by Yaewinn on April 3, 2016 9:13PM1 -
Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'm a MagBlade who, when TG went live, swore to never use VD
I still prefer my Xivkyn 5pc Seducer + 4pc Magnus, tyvm -_- Decent Damage, great Regen, Perma Cloak options for getting in position/scrolls,..."Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
Tryxus - Guardian of the Green - Warden - PC/EU1 -
Zyle✭✭✭✭✭
Me? Getting mad bout these no-skill-band-wagon-jumper? No, 1-2 shot them with my stam-blade, you know...single target
I'm not even sure how I quoted you
I'm reading your comment again and I think somehow I thought it was part of the comment above yours. My bad 
I definitely agree stam-blade is a great setup to kill these bomb builds. I run single target 90% of the time as well, I just want our execute to not be magic damage q_q.
676 CP
Zyle - LVL50 Stamina Nightblade - Former Emp AS - VMA Clear (Flawless)
Joven - LVL50 Hybrid Templar
Adion - LVL50 Stamina DK
Radac - LVL50 Magicka Sorcerer
Vanikath - LVL50 Magicka DK0 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'm a MagBlade who, when TG went live, swore to never use VD
I still prefer my Xivkyn 5pc Seducer + 4pc Magnus, tyvm -_- Decent Damage, great Regen, Perma Cloak options for getting in position/scrolls,...
And I salute and respect you. You deserve an "awesome badge". Just like the other Nightblade gentlemen in this thread who dare to be different, and have success while doing so. You see, you guys (Nightblades who don't abuse this unbalanced combo) are the Nightblades I respect. The Nightblades who I look to, and nod my head at. The Nightblades I would share a tankard of mead with at an inn. You handle your business, but you do so in a classic and clean format. The true "good ole assassins". This new breed of OP ganking? It's sickening.Edited by Ch4mpTW on April 3, 2016 9:16PM1 -
Yaewinn✭✭✭✭✭
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Me? Getting mad bout these no-skill-band-wagon-jumper? No, 1-2 shot them with my stam-blade, you know...single target
I'm not even sure how I quoted you I'm reading your comment again and I think somehow I thought it was part of the comment above yours. My bad
Latency of the board 999+ maybe?
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Zyle✭✭✭✭✭I'm a MagBlade who, when TG went live, swore to never use VD
I still prefer my Xivkyn 5pc Seducer + 4pc Magnus, tyvm -_- Decent Damage, great Regen, Perma Cloak options for getting in position/scrolls,...
As a stamina nightblade I swore to only use VD......
To make lots and lots of gold selling it.
676 CP
Zyle - LVL50 Stamina Nightblade - Former Emp AS - VMA Clear (Flawless)
Joven - LVL50 Hybrid Templar
Adion - LVL50 Stamina DK
Radac - LVL50 Magicka Sorcerer
Vanikath - LVL50 Magicka DK3 -
Egonieser✭✭✭✭✭
✭I have a magblade with a killer setup for 1 vs 1/2 with great sustain and utility for any situation, has a staff, good amount of SP and magicka/recovery.
I am wondering though if I am missing out not using VD. I know by using it there is no way I'm keeping my current DPS/sustain combo and will perform badly in fair fights or duels, same like any other NB using VD who dies the very second after popping his combo.
I mean, is using a very situational, but good groupbuster combo worth losing sustain and high DPS (and before you say, burst =\= DPS). I have literally not encountered a single NB who runs the deadly combo set win against me in normal circumstances, and why would he - less DPS, less regen, no sustain whatsoever. And without the group around to increase proxy damage and process vicious death - it's next to useless.
Is it worth it in the end? I am torn. Everyone keeps going on about it's OPness, but since I don't usually run in bomb groups or zergs, I rarely feel it. Can't decide which to go with. I feel like I'm missing out if I don't, but by crunching numbers it also feels much more inferior in every other way outside from that burst combo.
You're a magicka Nightblade with some solid game plans, and you have some sustain too? With the staff and all that!? You go boy! Don't become another Nightblade statistic. Please don't. As is you haven't been "tainted" by the meta. Just seduced by it. It's okay to be different (so long as it isn't logical in sort of way). So if I were you? I'd say stay away from it. As it is, people are judgmental and speak very negatively of Njghtblades (I definitely do). No need to truly fit the bill and live up to its stigma and stereotypes.
Yeah, I mean I have a build that works against most others, and utility/sustain to fight almost indefinitely (though chain-CC hurts as it does any other magicka build) and generally a well experienced PvP player, but I have not tried VD (sold it all, and sold loads). But you're right, I never did follow the meta and never felt the need to.
I always found that sustain usually works better in the long run than glass cannons and high bursts and is also more fun to play.
Just with all the complaining about it's OPness, and praise by those that use it - I felt like if I don't use it, I am not "doing it right" but like you said, just being seduced I suppose. My build works well for me and I get the kills in and maintain my 10:1 K/D ratio by not using cheesy mechanics. Heck, I don't even use proximity, it always felt more like a burden than it helped (gotta time it right, costs horrendous amounts of magicka, and I am more focused on my positioning for proxi to go off right, rather than putting it all in the fight itself)Sometimes, I dream about...cheese...
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