Cadwell silver and Gold turning to VT16?

m0riarty23 · March 2016

I thought the thieves guild update was going to convert all the Cadwell zones to VT16 (auto level) zones, that could be done in any order. Did i miss hear this?

Farorin · March 2016

They were only opening them up to be done in any order at any level after you reach v1. From my memory, nothing was ever stated about the zone scaling being any different though.

m0riarty23 · March 2016

But that is the way they are now... i think.

WalkingLegacy · March 2016

You now can start EP or DC. You don't have to do EP first if you're AD for instance.

ManwithBeard9 · March 2016

Post TG you can now do them in any order as long as you can get into the zone (go to a dungeon and walk out). But the levels are still the same as theyve always been. Nothing changed with that.

IcyDeadPeople · March 2016

m0riarty23 wrote: »

But that is the way they are now... i think.

They are still V1 to V10 mobs and crafting nodes. What changed is you no longer need to do the main quest or Cadwell's Almanac quests to access these zones.
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Cryptical · March 2016

The Thieves Guild DLC functions like the Orsinium DLC. You buy the DLC, and the associated areas become unlocked for you. Orsinium DLC unlocks Wrothgar zone. Imperial City DLC unlocks the sewers, and from there you step to the IC streets. Thieves Guild DLC unlocks Hews Bane, and from there the writ board quests take you to the other alliance zones - specifically the 'unlock' is done just by marking a new wayshrine on your map.

Cadwells is just a packaged bundle of quests that have a special section in the journal. If the appropriate wayshrine wasn't already marked on your map, then starting cadwell's quest will trigger that to be done.

They were never really 'cadwell zones', they were zones that happened to be opened by cadwell... and now also can be opened by thieves guild... and looking ahead I would not be at all surprised if the dark brotherhood DLC functions the same way, by marking new wayshrines on your map when you accept some sort of "Kill The Assassination Target" type of writ board quest.

m0riarty23 · March 2016

Man, i wish they made them all VET 16 zones (auto level) that could be done in any order. It would have been easier to quest with friends after level 50.

Enodoc · March 2016

m0riarty23 wrote: »

Man, i wish they made them all VET 16 zones (auto level) that could be done in any order. It would have been easier to quest with friends after level 50.

They probably decided it wasn't worth doing that since VRs are being removed next update anyway.

Jolipinator · March 2016

I assumed from all the positive comments about the recent change that either zone could be played first. Technically they can but the levels are still fixed. So yes I can play whichever one I want, but if I choose the higher level zone I will receive lower level loot, and be under levelled for a long time, and then when I switch I will be seriously over levelled.

I wanted to avoid playing the Covenant until around the time Dark Brotherhood is released, I want to experience all 3 factions with new characters. So now I have 2 vets. One who started in the Dominion and has done half of the Pact, but at that point I decided to turn him into a crafter and leave him. My other has just finished the Pact, so I went to Auridon with him and saw everyone is V6.

I guess somehow I'm an idiot for not knowing each faction is supposed to go to one other, despite the fact it is never mentioned anywhere in game, and like I said the reaction to the change really made it seem like we had total freedom now.

Inarre · March 2016

Jolipinator wrote: »

I assumed from all the positive comments about the recent change that either zone could be played first. Technically they can but the levels are still fixed. So yes I can play whichever one I want, but if I choose the higher level zone I will receive lower level loot, and be under levelled for a long time, and then when I switch I will be seriously over levelled.

I wanted to avoid playing the Covenant until around the time Dark Brotherhood is released, I want to experience all 3 factions with new characters. So now I have 2 vets. One who started in the Dominion and has done half of the Pact, but at that point I decided to turn him into a crafter and leave him. My other has just finished the Pact, so I went to Auridon with him and saw everyone is V6.

I guess somehow I'm an idiot for not knowing each faction is supposed to go to one other, despite the fact it is never mentioned anywhere in game, and like I said the reaction to the change really made it seem like we had total freedom now.

Once dark brotherhood hits this wont be an issue

Jolipinator · March 2016

Inarre wrote: »

Once dark brotherhood hits this wont be an issue

Because I will have started my new character? But oh yeah Veteran levels will be removed right...

DaveMoeDee · March 2016

m0riarty23 wrote: »

Man, i wish they made them all VET 16 zones (auto level) that could be done in any order. It would have been easier to quest with friends after level 50.

I think the point was to give people who didn't want to quest access to skyshards and lorebooks. That was mostly it.

myrrrorb14_ESO · March 2016

Enodoc wrote: »

m0riarty23 wrote: »

Man, i wish they made them all VET 16 zones (auto level) that could be done in any order. It would have been easier to quest with friends after level 50.

They probably decided it wasn't worth doing that since VRs are being removed next update anyway.

I was assuming they would scale the difficulty of the zones to certain champion rank thresholds. Kind of like how maelstrom arena is scaled to 300 champion points of difficulty.

Should be interesting to see how it all changes.

m0riarty23 · March 2016

still feels like the best way is to "Wrothgard" and make them playable at any VET level. Then they almost turn into Adventure Zones (what ever that is). You could go in with friends and play around. Hell you could even put in dailies at that point.

Enodoc · April 2016

myrrrorb14_ESO wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

m0riarty23 wrote: »

Man, i wish they made them all VET 16 zones (auto level) that could be done in any order. It would have been easier to quest with friends after level 50.

They probably decided it wasn't worth doing that since VRs are being removed next update anyway.

I was assuming they would scale the difficulty of the zones to certain champion rank thresholds. Kind of like how maelstrom arena is scaled to 300 champion points of difficulty.

Should be interesting to see how it all changes.

Agreed, I think balanced around a certain number of CPs will be the only way to do it. I think to alleviate the issue that Jolipinator mentions though they'll need to decide how best to do it, as in an "everything's Level 50" world, you would want the former VR1 and VR6 zones to be similar, since they are the alliance's "first" zones, and the former VR5 and VR10 zones to be similar to each other but harder than the VR1 and VR6, since they are the "last" zones.

Here's an example balance that I've pulled from nowhere:
Silver Zone 1 > 0 CP
Gold Zone 1 > 12 CP
Silver Zone 2 > 42 CP
Gold Zone 2 > 54 CP
Silver Zone 3 > 84 CP
Gold Zone 3 > 96 CP
Silver Zone 4 > 126 CP
Gold Zone 4 > 158 CP
Silver Zone 5 > 168 CP
Gold Zone 5 > 180 CP
The essence being that a Gold zone is slightly harder than a Silver zone of the same tier, and the primary progression is between tiers, rather than between Silver and Gold. What I don't want to see is Gold Zone 1 being balanced to a higher CP number than Silver Zone 5, as that doesn't help the "visit either alliance first" ethos at all.

Of course, with every enemy saying "Level 50", this balancing around CPs will be invisible, so as long as progression "feels right" it probably doesn't matter how they actually do it.

Volkodav · April 2016

Farorin wrote: »

They were only opening them up to be done in any order at any level after you reach v1. From my memory, nothing was ever stated about the zone scaling being any different though.

Your comment is a bit confusing.You say:
"..opening them up to be done in any order at any level after you reach v1."

My level 27 character is doing the Thieve's Guild DLC quests that take you to all zones to pick pocket. He doesnt have to be v1 to get to those zones.
Please forgive me if I am misunderstanding your comment.

Enodoc · April 2016

Volkodav wrote: »

My level 27 character is doing the Thieve's Guild DLC quests that take you to all zones to pick pocket. He doesnt have to be v1 to get to those zones.

Wait hold on, are you saying that as a DC character (example), your Level 27 character is being given pickpocket quests in Grahtwood?

stevepdodson_ESO888 · April 2016

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

m0riarty23 wrote: »

Man, i wish they made them all VET 16 zones (auto level) that could be done in any order. It would have been easier to quest with friends after level 50.

I think the point was to give people who didn't want to quest access to skyshards and lorebooks. That was mostly it.

It was due to the Thieve's Guild "writs" board. People needed access to all zones to go and pickpocket NPC's.
The same will be true of Dark Brotherhood "writs"...you know the kind of thing where you go and place a poisoned apple on a table and sneak away unseen or whatever it may be.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · April 2016

They cant scale the old zones to v16. Its not like you just flip a switch. Talking 100s of man hours rescripting everything.

Enodoc · April 2016

stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

m0riarty23 wrote: »

Man, i wish they made them all VET 16 zones (auto level) that could be done in any order. It would have been easier to quest with friends after level 50.

I think the point was to give people who didn't want to quest access to skyshards and lorebooks. That was mostly it.

It was due to the Thieve's Guild "writs" board. People needed access to all zones to go and pickpocket NPC's.

They didn't "need to" do that at all. They could have easily set it so the pickpocket quests only took you to your own alliance zones. They said ages ago (long before Thieves Guild) that they had plans to reduce the restrictions on Cadwell's zones so that it was easier to get the skyshards, lorebooks and quests.

hrothbern · April 2016

Enodoc wrote: »

stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

m0riarty23 wrote: »

Man, i wish they made them all VET 16 zones (auto level) that could be done in any order. It would have been easier to quest with friends after level 50.

I think the point was to give people who didn't want to quest access to skyshards and lorebooks. That was mostly it.

It was due to the Thieve's Guild "writs" board. People needed access to all zones to go and pickpocket NPC's.

They didn't "need to" do that at all. They could have easily set it so the pickpocket quests only took you to your own alliance zones. They said ages ago (long before Thieves Guild) that they had plans to reduce the restrictions on Cadwell's zones so that it was easier to get the skyshards, lorebooks and quests.

jip

With the DB your Vet 1 alts will have your account CP battle strenght,
but you will still need:

all needed abilities unlocked and leveled
easy access to lorebooks to get your Mage Guild rank 10 for the Ultimate
many skyshards to get more skill points

So.. you can already start now with doing that