Almost forgot how much I hate this game's economy system

Lynx7386 · March 2016

After returning to the game this week (stopped playing for 8 months), one of the first things I try to do is find some jute at a guild trader to make some gear for a new character.

Nearly two dozen guild stores later, after crossing half of tamriel in search of such a basic crafting material, I gave up.

Whoever decided that the economy should be this fractured and disparate should be fired, and even that would be too good for him. I said it back before guild traders were a thing, and I'm saying it again: This system blows.

Not only do you have to search half the ingame world and dozens of traders to find the item you're after (assuming you can even find it, or at a reasonable price), but the trader system doesnt even allow you to search by text, so you've got to scroll through pages and pages of useless shite. This kind of rudimentary field search isnt even good enough for an atari, what makes them think it works here?

It's no wonder I quit playing this game.

The_Great_Maldini · March 2016

Tamriel Trade Center...Google it.

If everyone who sells on guild traders used this addon, it would make things a lot easier.

Katahdin · March 2016

Addon called awesome guildstore let's you search via text keywords and categories

Lynx7386 · March 2016

Can't use add-ons on console. I started on pc but transferred at console release because I knew more people who would be playing on ps4.

The_Great_Maldini · March 2016

Tamriel Trade Center lets you search multiple guild stores with a web based system. If you run the addon, it automatically uploads to the database.

Nestor · March 2016

I guess I need to sell some Jute, I have a bunch of it.

phaneub17_ESO · March 2016

Did you delete your old characters or something? I stopped playing for a year and a half, but I kept my crafting mules so I still had about 400 of every crafting mat up to Void stuff. I was a little shocked to see I had 90+ Tempering Alloys in the bank. That way if I ever return I be ready to start a new character and get a refresher on the game.

catalyst10e · March 2016

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Can't use add-ons on console. I started on pc but transferred at console release because I knew more people who would be playing on ps4.

on ps4 in my experience you really only find the lower level crafting materials in guild banks being given away for free, rather than finding people who sell them. I was in a similar boat when I started up an alt, and couldnt find a single trader who sold the mats I needed to just craft the gear myself.

Korah_Eaglecry · March 2016

catalyst10e wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Can't use add-ons on console. I started on pc but transferred at console release because I knew more people who would be playing on ps4.

on ps4 in my experience you really only find the lower level crafting materials in guild banks being given away for free, rather than finding people who sell them. I was in a similar boat when I started up an alt, and couldnt find a single trader who sold the mats I needed to just craft the gear myself.

The Consoles Guild Stores are absolute garbage.

Lynx7386 · March 2016

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Can't use add-ons on console. I started on pc but transferred at console release because I knew more people who would be playing on ps4.

on ps4 in my experience you really only find the lower level crafting materials in guild banks being given away for free, rather than finding people who sell them. I was in a similar boat when I started up an alt, and couldnt find a single trader who sold the mats I needed to just craft the gear myself.

The Consoles Guild Stores are absolute garbage.

Exactly.

BTW I have tons and tons of upgrade materials and vet level crafting materials, I just never held on to lower level stuff.

sekou_trayvond · March 2016

Or, you know, walk around in an early zone and get FREE jute.

Free!

Imagine it. FREE jute.

Smh.

Callous2208 · March 2016

sekou_trayvond wrote: »

Or, you know, walk around in an early zone and get FREE jute.

Free!

Imagine it. FREE jute.

Smh.

Wait a second...what's the catch?

WalkingLegacy · March 2016

Callous2208 wrote: »

sekou_trayvond wrote: »

Or, you know, walk around in an early zone and get FREE jute.

Free!

Imagine it. FREE jute.

Smh.

Wait a second...what's the catch?

You have to spend time farming it, and then the point of the guild trader and auction house are irrelevant.

KaleidoscopeEyz · March 2016

You should be embarrassed of how whiney you sound. Go farm it yourself.

waterfairy · March 2016

I agree, it's very tedious and tiresome to search each trader. If they want to keep guild traders then why don't they have a single list for all traders in a location? That way we don't have to go cart hopping, we can just search all traders at once before moving on to a different location.

Callous2208 · March 2016

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

sekou_trayvond wrote: »

Or, you know, walk around in an early zone and get FREE jute.

Free!

Imagine it. FREE jute.

Smh.

Wait a second...what's the catch?

You have to spend time farming it, and then the point of the guild trader and auction house are irrelevant.

So what's the fix? If no one's selling it then no one's selling it. What does this system have to do with people's preferences for not gathering and selling low end materials?

Tandor · March 2016

The clearest indication of the uselessness of the trading system is that the only advice given by its defenders is to use addons or avoid it altogether by farming any materials you need. Hardly a ringing endorsement of what is a core part of any MMO.

Callous2208 · March 2016

Tandor wrote: »

The clearest indication of the uselessness of the trading system is that the only advice given by its defenders is to use addons or avoid it altogether by farming any materials you need. Hardly a ringing endorsement of what is a core part of any MMO.

The problem here is that nobody is farming and selling tier 1 mats. At all. Tell me how the global ah solves this problem friend.

Edit: Core part of an mmo? You mean that system that's a bots playground and a garbage dump for crap you don't want to store or vendor? The AH in most mmos is not as great as you make it out to be.

Volkodav · March 2016

Lynx7386 wrote: »

After returning to the game this week (stopped playing for 8 months), one of the first things I try to do is find some jute at a guild trader to make some gear for a new character.

Nearly two dozen guild stores later, after crossing half of tamriel in search of such a basic crafting material, I gave up.

Whoever decided that the economy should be this fractured and disparate should be fired, and even that would be too good for him. I said it back before guild traders were a thing, and I'm saying it again: This system blows.

Not only do you have to search half the ingame world and dozens of traders to find the item you're after (assuming you can even find it, or at a reasonable price), but the trader system doesnt even allow you to search by text, so you've got to scroll through pages and pages of useless shite. This kind of rudimentary field search isnt even good enough for an atari, what makes them think it works here?

It's no wonder I quit playing this game.

Out of curiosity,if you quit the game,why are you posting here?
I have to go hunting for things at different cities where there are more Guild Traders too,and sometimes dont find what I want too.But I dont quit the game for it.

People.just go get tour own mats if you cant find them the easy way.Do what most people do and hunt for them.

WalkingLegacy · March 2016

Callous2208 wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

sekou_trayvond wrote: »

Or, you know, walk around in an early zone and get FREE jute.

Free!

Imagine it. FREE jute.

Smh.

Wait a second...what's the catch?

You have to spend time farming it, and then the point of the guild trader and auction house are irrelevant.

So what's the fix? If no one's selling it then no one's selling it. What does this system have to do with people's preferences for not gathering and selling low end materials?

Well the OP wasted his life traversing the lands and manually scrolling through "dozens" of guild traders to find an item he looked for.

The simple solution is a search box built into the guild trader so we can manually look up just the item we're looking for.

Another solution would make the search function global. It shows us what guild trader does have it so we can travel there and buy what we need. Doesn't have to show the price if people are going to cry that their rip off priced goods won't be bought.

Uriel_Nocturne · March 2016

Lynx7386 wrote: »

After returning to the game this week (stopped playing for 8 months), one of the first things I try to do is find some jute at a guild trader to make some gear for a new character.

Nearly two dozen guild stores later, after crossing half of tamriel in search of such a basic crafting material, I gave up.

Whoever decided that the economy should be this fractured and disparate should be fired, and even that would be too good for him. I said it back before guild traders were a thing, and I'm saying it again: This system blows.

Not only do you have to search half the ingame world and dozens of traders to find the item you're after (assuming you can even find it, or at a reasonable price), but the trader system doesnt even allow you to search by text, so you've got to scroll through pages and pages of useless shite. This kind of rudimentary field search isnt even good enough for an atari, what makes them think it works here?

It's no wonder I quit playing this game.

In the time it took you to search all of those Guild Traders, you could have just farmed it yourself from one of the Baby's-First-Exploration areas...

Seriously, no one sells the beginning crafting mats (Jute, etc.) because those areas are loaded with it, and the node respawn times are pretty fast.

Just run around Bleakrock/Stonefalls and you'll have several hundred pieces of Jute in no time.

Volkodav · March 2016

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

sekou_trayvond wrote: »

Or, you know, walk around in an early zone and get FREE jute.

Free!

Imagine it. FREE jute.

Smh.

Wait a second...what's the catch?

You have to spend time farming it, and then the point of the guild trader and auction house are irrelevant.

So what's the fix? If no one's selling it then no one's selling it. What does this system have to do with people's preferences for not gathering and selling low end materials?

Well the OP wasted his life traversing the lands and manually scrolling through "dozens" of guild traders to find an item he looked for.

The simple solution is a search box built into the guild trader so we can manually look up just the item we're looking for.

Another solution would make the search function global. It shows us what guild trader does have it so we can travel there and buy what we need. Doesn't have to show the price if people are going to cry that their rip off priced goods won't be bought.

The global idea makes a lot of sense. It would actually be nice to be able to know where things are at.I would make it so that it only showed items you can get to.Show items in zones you have been to so that you can go there to get them.Locked zones wouldnt show up.

Loralai_907 · March 2016

It probably would have taken less time to go to a starter island and just farm the hell out of it than it took to travel all of the lands searching guild traders for it.

Callous2208 · March 2016

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

sekou_trayvond wrote: »

Or, you know, walk around in an early zone and get FREE jute.

Free!

Imagine it. FREE jute.

Smh.

Wait a second...what's the catch?

You have to spend time farming it, and then the point of the guild trader and auction house are irrelevant.

So what's the fix? If no one's selling it then no one's selling it. What does this system have to do with people's preferences for not gathering and selling low end materials?

Well the OP wasted his life traversing the lands and manually scrolling through "dozens" of guild traders to find an item he looked for.

The simple solution is a search box built into the guild trader so we can manually look up just the item we're looking for.

Another solution would make the search function global. It shows us what guild trader does have it so we can travel there and buy what we need. Doesn't have to show the price if people are going to cry that their rip off priced goods won't be bought.

That actually doesn't sound too bad.

Miszou · March 2016

I actually quite like the current system.

Admittedly, I do use Awesome Guild Store addon, primarily so I don't have to keep re-entering the same search parameters every single time, but the overall concept of traders is a good one I think. It's not a perfect implementation, but it's certainly more thoughtful than a global auction house.

I actually quite enjoy shopping around for stuff. But then again, I didn't once use the fast travel in Skyrim either, so maybe I just have more free time than other people...

RocDonald · March 2016

Both of my trade guilds lost their traders recently and I have a ton of stuff in there, so yeah, I'm kinda hating this system too

Tandor · March 2016

Callous2208 wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

The clearest indication of the uselessness of the trading system is that the only advice given by its defenders is to use addons or avoid it altogether by farming any materials you need. Hardly a ringing endorsement of what is a core part of any MMO.

The problem here is that nobody is farming and selling tier 1 mats. At all. Tell me how the global ah solves this problem friend.

Edit: Core part of an mmo? You mean that system that's a bots playground and a garbage dump for crap you don't want to store or vendor? The AH in most mmos is not as great as you make it out to be.

I never mentioned an AH, and don't personally see the need for one here. However, I would favour considerable improvements to the present system.

Lynx7386 · March 2016

mommadani907 wrote: »

It probably would have taken less time to go to a starter island and just farm the hell out of it than it took to travel all of the lands searching guild traders for it.

That's not the point, why have a system that doesn't work?

The material is irrelevant. Regardless of what i was looking for, the guild traders make it hard to find.

AfkNinja · March 2016

Callous2208 wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

The clearest indication of the uselessness of the trading system is that the only advice given by its defenders is to use addons or avoid it altogether by farming any materials you need. Hardly a ringing endorsement of what is a core part of any MMO.

The problem here is that nobody is farming and selling tier 1 mats. At all. Tell me how the global ah solves this problem friend.

Edit: Core part of an mmo? You mean that system that's a bots playground and a garbage dump for crap you don't want to store or vendor? The AH in most mmos is not as great as you make it out to be.

Because once the auction house is global it becomes worth it to sell everything. It's the reason why the AH in FFXI had everything at all lvls. Instead of random people seeing your goods "sometimes", everyone sees your goods ALL of the time.

Edit: It does make it easier to jack the price up though.

Tandor · March 2016

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

After returning to the game this week (stopped playing for 8 months), one of the first things I try to do is find some jute at a guild trader to make some gear for a new character.

Nearly two dozen guild stores later, after crossing half of tamriel in search of such a basic crafting material, I gave up.

Whoever decided that the economy should be this fractured and disparate should be fired, and even that would be too good for him. I said it back before guild traders were a thing, and I'm saying it again: This system blows.

Not only do you have to search half the ingame world and dozens of traders to find the item you're after (assuming you can even find it, or at a reasonable price), but the trader system doesnt even allow you to search by text, so you've got to scroll through pages and pages of useless shite. This kind of rudimentary field search isnt even good enough for an atari, what makes them think it works here?

It's no wonder I quit playing this game.

In the time it took you to search all of those Guild Traders, you could have just farmed it yourself from one of the Baby's-First-Exploration areas...

Seriously, no one sells the beginning crafting mats (Jute, etc.) because those areas are loaded with it, and the node respawn times are pretty fast.

Just run around Bleakrock/Stonefalls and you'll have several hundred pieces of Jute in no time.

The other reason people don't sell beginning crafting mats is that the trading system is geared to high level players who don't hang onto them because of the inventory restrictions.

Xendyn · March 2016

A centralized search system would be a great improvement, I've always said that.
At this point tho and since it seems no one is even selling it, going and farming it would be your best option.