How do you do stamina NB?

STEVIL · March 2016

For my dw stam blade from memory the attack bar is
Reaper mark
Ambush
Rapid stk
Killer blade
mass hysteria

Second bar varies a bit but often buffs like mirage, hunter or dark shades and some heals like swallow soul orentropy.

If your off hand is res staff you can have healing waRd or illustrious heal

Second as bow also good with range and stealth.

My favorite equip with the dw was
5pc briar heart and 5 PC night mother gaze with 2 PC of something stam or wpn.
Divine thief
All divine on crafter pieces though I hear a mix of divine and infused is better math.

This set had obscene wpn crit with good base dmg and the healing mostly cam from reaper kills.

Recently have experimented replacing briar with Bahama curse but more for experiment than efficiency.

Czeri · March 2016

My PvE Redguard Stamblade wears 5 piece Twice Born Star (for Thief and Shadow, so the crit is reasonable), 5 piece Briarthorn, and Molag Kena shoulder.

Skills are:

1) buff - either Evil Hunter (if fighting undead) or Flying Blade (if fighting anything else)
2) killer blade for execute phase (plus a heal)
3) surprise attack - for single target damage (also gives you ward and damages enemy armour) weaved with light attacks (to proc Briarthorn and weapon enchants)
4) sap essence or reaper's mark - both heal, mark also buffs damage, but sap is quicker
5) steel tornado - for burning mobs
Ulti - Flawless Dawnbreaker, though Soul Tether can come handy too, or Incapacitating Strike if the enemies can heal themselves

I do use a lot of potions, which can be expensive unless you like picking flowers. I tend to kill things very quickly, though.

Tomg999 · March 2016

PVE here. I go 2h & dw. I'm big on cloak & ambush, and use cloak when in trouble - just gets the mobs to stop for 1-2 seconds.
I'm big on Steel tornado, of course. Set myself up with a LOT of stam, so I never run out.
I also dig skills from the guild lines - Steel Shards for my ranged attack, and spend the time gathering all those books so my Ultimate can be Meteor.

I wear Hundling's Rage & Briarheart sets.

Soleya · March 2016

Vigarr wrote: »

Slayer9292_ESO wrote: »

I do 5 medium, 1 light and 1 heavy for the undaunted bonus (Vet level), but it's also good to do that when leveling so you'll max out all armor skills by V16.

There's an undaunted bonus for mixed armor? I considered mixing in a piece or 2 of other armor types for the passives but it seemed that full medium would be best for this build.
Everything else you said was definitely helpful as I also want to run dual daggers for the assassin feel (or swords) and have been using DW/Bow thus far (not bombard, though it makes sense to add it for the root).

Undaunted Mettle. Increase your Max Health, Stamina and Magicka by 2% per type of Armor (Heavy, Medium, Light) that you have equipped.

Curtdogg47 · March 2016

This is a pretty good setup. I don't do everything suggested in his post, but it its good reference.

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/stamina-nightblade-dps-guide/

KingYogi415 · March 2016

Switch to Magicka.

Sap essence is prime.

waterfairy · March 2016

Slayer9292_ESO wrote: »

Undaunted Mettle. Increase your Max Health, Stamina and Magicka by 2% per type of Armor (Heavy, Medium, Light) that you have equipped.

This character hasn't touched a dungeon yet (at least not a group dungeon) but I think I will add 1 heavy armor piece for the added protection and bonus as they feel somewhat squishy at times....especially when coming from my heavy armor buff user.
@Curtdogg47
That is a good guide thanks.

I also was unaware of flawless dawnbreaker so thanks for mentioning that here...was thinking about getting werewolf for the passive but dawnbreaker might be better.

85flyingbrick_ESO · March 2016

*in my best elmer fudd voice* "be vwerry, vwerry, quiet. We're hunting blue(s) bunnies."

Strider_Roshin · March 2016

2H/Bow is my preferred method. Excellent damage and utility, and with the TG changes, poison injection is more powerful than ever.

Bossdonut · March 2016

Spam ambush

Krist · March 2016

I do pretty good on my stam NB but these are some awesome suggestions I will try. Nice thread!

Strider_Roshin · March 2016

Bossdonut wrote: »

Spam ambush

That's only effective against terrible players.

Bossdonut · March 2016

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Bossdonut wrote: »

Spam ambush

That's only effective against terrible players.

Good thing there's no shortage of those.

budrow · March 2016

Vet12. Pvp only with my stamblade.

Dw/bow. 5pc hundings, 3/4pc night mothers. Purple food and weapon power/crit/stam pots.

Dw: Shadowy disguise, ambush, fear, surprise attack, drain power, ult: Tether

Bow: Shadowy disguise, mark, vigor, poison inject, focused aim, ult: Werewolf

sirrmattus · March 2016

Vigarr wrote: »

Thanks again for the input, rather then pick apart the thread I gave an insightful to the posts that were helpful.
@reften
I appreciate the PvP advice as I plan on trying them in Cyrodiil once they hit vet rank (currently level 40). I will most likely get annihilated but I want to try anyway

Slayer9292_ESO wrote: »

I do 5 medium, 1 light and 1 heavy for the undaunted bonus (Vet level), but it's also good to do that when leveling so you'll max out all armor skills by V16.

There's an undaunted bonus for mixed armor? I considered mixing in a piece or 2 of other armor types for the passives but it seemed that full medium would be best for this build.
Everything else you said was definitely helpful as I also want to run dual daggers for the assassin feel (or swords) and have been using DW/Bow thus far (not bombard, though it makes sense to add it for the root).

@Vigarr

dam bro. i was the first one to help

i gave you all you needed to know

waterfairy · March 2016

@sirrmattus
ha I see you and gave you points for your post...my first bar is almost the same as yours (except fear) and I know 2H is 'better' but I really want to stick with bow on backup as I already have a 2H guy and don't care to make a bow user.

So is fear that good? I see it recommended a few times and I'm assuming it's aspect of terror that everyone is speaking about.

Nestor · March 2016

Vigarr wrote: »

@sirrmattus

So is fear that good? I see it recommended a few times and I'm assuming it's aspect of terror that everyone is speaking about.

For Crowd Control to allow you to concentrate on just a few mobs at time, yes. Is it the only way to crowd control? No, but what method you choose is the one that matches how you play. BTW, Mass Hysteria is the morph I use, as it works on 3 mobs. Go up to a crowd of 5 or 6 mobs, cast fear, take the two out that stay, then go after the others. Since they go in different directions the other mobs have to move to you giving you more time to take out the mobs.

But you have to play with it and see if fits your style.

Zerok · March 2016

My main is a stamina nightblade. I use it for both PvP and PvE (with different gear).

For PvE (what you're looking for), I use 7 pieces of medium armor for increased stamina regeneration and critical hits. My weapons are DW/Bow.

My current PvE gear:
5x Briarheart
3x Agility (jewelry)
4x Morkuldin (3x Morkuldin on my Bow bar)

I swap my skills all the time depending on what I'm doing. For high-end dungeons (like vWGT), I will use something like this:

DW bar: Ambush, Steel tornado, Surprise attack, Killer's blade, Evil hunter, Flawless dawnbreaker
Bow bar: Relentless focus, Siphoning attacks, Razor caltrops, Scorched earth, Resolving vigor (panic button), Shooting star/Veil of Blades (depends)

With this setup, I will use Essence of Weapon power to get major brutality and major endurance.

If I'm playing with a Templar healer who uses shards and repentance, I will switch Siphoning attacks with Poison injection to add another DoT on bosses.

waterfairy · March 2016

Nestor wrote: »

For Crowd Control to allow you to concentrate on just a few mobs at time, yes. Is it the only way to crowd control? No, but what method you choose is the one that matches how you play. BTW, Mass Hysteria is the morph I use, as it works on 3 mobs. Go up to a crowd of 5 or 6 mobs, cast fear, take the two out that stay, then go after the others. Since they go in different directions the other mobs have to move to you giving you more time to take out the mobs.

But you have to play with it and see if fits your style.

I haven't really found something that "fits" with this build yet, hence why I'm asking for advice. The fear skill sounds useful to thin the herd but I think I might go for the bow skill that roots instead of scaring them away. Do enemies affect by fear start attacking again once hit or do they stay afraid throughout the duration of the spell?

@Zerok
I'm missing a couple of those skills as I haven't PvP'd with this one yet but I might have to just for that panic button as the only heal I have is after killing something with reapers mark or spam swallow soul. .

Nestor · March 2016

Vigarr wrote: »

I haven't really found something that "fits" with this build yet, hence why I'm asking for advice. The fear skill sounds useful to thin the herd but I think I might go for the bow skill that roots instead of scaring them away. Do enemies affect by fear start attacking again once hit or do they stay afraid throughout the duration of the spell?

The tool tip tells you how long the effect lasts, add in the time it takes the mobs to get back to you/range attack you and that is the duration of effectiveness. I play around with all the "support" skills with my NB and some work with some rotations and not others.

However, this leads me to my next point. While leveling your character, it is not so important to find the best rotation, as that will change over time with balance changes and gear changes, but to get all your Class Skills to at least the Morph stage. So, slot all your skills to get them leveled at least to the morph stage, even if your not using it actively in combat. Most situations can be handled with a 2 or 3 skill rotation, so you don't need to have every skill on your bar something you actively use. Or, remember to slot the skills you are leveling before you turn in quests. This way, later on you can change your build without grinding.

Once in the VR Ranks, then you start to worry about the most effective rotations.

waterfairy · March 2016

@Nestor
That's good advice, I should've done that when leveling instead of focusing on a set skill list as they do change things and mess them up periodically. Unfortunately I have 2 vets that were focused characters and this NB is already level 40 (not too late to spread the skills but getting close to).

There's things like this that I learned way too late in the game or didn't care for until late in game. I went for the longest time without researching traits as I assumed I could just craft set pieces with traits eventually

Nestor · March 2016

You can still get your skills to Morph even if you start in the 40's, they go up fairly quickly to Morph stage. It is just when you get to VR Ranks, as you know, that the mobs get a lot tougher so you have to be tighter with what you do. That being said, I still have a few skills on my VR16 NB that I have not leveled fully, and this character has been around since PC Launch. Of course I learned my own lesson on my other 3 Alts and made sure their skills were developed before Vet Ranks.

As for Traits, you can get to 2/3 traits known on the items you use in a couple of weeks, maybe 3 depending no often you log in. You have 7 armors and two weapons to concentrate on. Ashen Grip only needs 2 traits and that is a decent set for a Stamina Character and you can get two traits on 5 pieces in a week. You can get to 6 traits for Hundings Rage in another month if you focus on the gear you use first, then fill in other pieces after.

sirrmattus · March 2016

Vigarr wrote: »

@sirrmattus
ha I see you and gave you points for your post...my first bar is almost the same as yours (except fear) and I know 2H is 'better' but I really want to stick with bow on backup as I already have a 2H guy and don't care to make a bow user.

So is fear that good? I see it recommended a few times and I'm assuming it's aspect of terror that everyone is speaking about.

@Vigarr

you dnt need 2h, but it gives rally (the only stam heal besides vigor)

let me give you an instance. you are fighting 6-7 mobs. throw down you arrow volley, run in that circle fear the mobs (now they all running away) spam your steel tornado, they all dead

and as nestor says, try to have 1 assassin, 1 shadow, and 1 siphon ability slotted on both bars at all times.

this is why i use my soul tether ulti on both bars.

Caza99 · March 2016

Well my night blade is a Breton and I did alright when I respec'd stamina for the lolz. I used 2h and bow, and due to me being a massive potato at PvE, didn't have maelstrom weapons so I had to work around that, and this is what I used:
5 Hunding's Rage
3 Agility
2 Leki
1 Molag Kena
This setup gave me close to 2k stamina recovery and almost 3.2k weapon damage unbuffed. Not too bad considering what I had to work with. For skills:
2H: Rally, Surprise Attack, Mass Hysteria, Critical Rush, Executioner and Soul Harvest Ult
Bow: Resolving Vigor, Poison Injection, Relentless Focus/Camouflaged Hunter, Shuffle, Dark Cloak and Flawless Dawn breaker Ult.

sirrmattus · March 2016

sirrmattus wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

@sirrmattus
ha I see you and gave you points for your post...my first bar is almost the same as yours (except fear) and I know 2H is 'better' but I really want to stick with bow on backup as I already have a 2H guy and don't care to make a bow user.

So is fear that good? I see it recommended a few times and I'm assuming it's aspect of terror that everyone is speaking about.

@Vigarr

you dnt need 2h, but it gives rally (the only stam heal besides vigor)

let me give you an instance. you are fighting 6-7 mobs. throw down you arrow volley, run in that circle fear the mobs (now they all running away) spam your steel tornado, they all dead
i dont think there is a reason to have killers blade, dw steel tornado is great and should stay on your bar

and as nestor says, try to have 1 assassin, 1 shadow, and 1 siphon ability slotted on both bars at all times.

this is why i use my soul tether ulti on both bars.

Nestor · March 2016

Caza99 wrote: »

Well my night blade is a Breton and I did alright when I respec'd stamina for the lolz.

I am glad someone else is doing a Breton Stamina NB. It was originally a Magic NB, but I went Stamina as I have to have at least one Stamina Character, don't I?

Caza99 · March 2016

Nestor wrote: »

Caza99 wrote: »

Well my night blade is a Breton and I did alright when I respec'd stamina for the lolz.

I am glad someone else is doing a Breton Stamina NB. It was originally a Magic NB, but I went Stamina as I have to have at least one Stamina Character, don't I?

Lol I just got bored with magblade. Decided to give Stam a go xD cbf grinding another character for it lol

waterfairy · March 2016

sirrmattus wrote: »

let me give you an instance. you are fighting 6-7 mobs. throw down you arrow volley, run in that circle fear the mobs (now they all running away) spam your steel tornado, they all dead

and as nestor says, try to have 1 assassin, 1 shadow, and 1 siphon ability slotted on both bars at all times.

this is why i use my soul tether ulti on both bars.

I can see that working

Call me crazy but I swapped steel tornado for whirling blades as mobs usually group close to each other and that stamina regen seems better for PvE then a bit more range.

Gilliamtherogue · March 2016

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/243441/end-game-stamina-nightblade-build-pve-dps/p1 This should answer just about any of your questions pertaining a stamina based Nightblade in PvE. Keep in mind the guide is written around purely an end game perspective, and the only help with leveling will be what abilities you should be focusing on getting to max rank. Almost everything in this guide has been mathematically tested to find the optimal damage output, as well as a few tips for solo play.

EsoRecon · March 2016

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/243441/end-game-stamina-nightblade-build-pve-dps/p1 This should answer just about any of your questions pertaining a stamina based Nightblade in PvE. Keep in mind the guide is written around purely an end game perspective, and the only help with leveling will be what abilities you should be focusing on getting to max rank. Almost everything in this guide has been mathematically tested to find the optimal damage output, as well as a few tips for solo play.

Listen to this guy ^