@Zenimax & Community

calvin.tracy_ESO · March 2016

Good evening all,
(yes I know the "Z" in zenimax inst capitalized I just capitalized it because I got sick of the auto correct thinking I was trying to post about a zeni employee)

I don't normally post on the forums, I'm more of a reader than a poster as I don't like the judgment people tend to push on others. That said I feel like this needs to be said/posted.

I think a lot of the player base is way to hard on Zenimax, could they have launched the game better? Yep. Could they pay more attention to the "hardcore" and "PVP" player base? Yes of course. But you know what? This game is beautiful. The soundtrack the graphics the sound quality, the voice acting (in certain parts terrible I'll admit but overall very well done) I know this is coming off as fan-boyish but I honestly am not trying to fanboy Zenimax. I do love the Elder Scrolls series, but that doesn't mean I will overlook their bs decisions. However this thread is not meant to be a complaint thread, rather I wanted to thank Zenimax for making TESO.

Zenimax thank you for creating this game, I know you get a lot of uproar from the community and I'm sure there are days at work you all feel hated. Well please don't feel that way for long. Go to work, have a good day and TESO will be all the better for it. Thank you for the soundtrack, the epic adventure, and the awesome PvP. Thank you for communicating with the community even though I see many people spewing out bile towards you for trying to reach out to us with an answer that people don't like. I know everyone at Zenimax has a great vision for TESO and I believe in that vision.

@The community
Cut Zenimax some slack, they go to work and work hard every day like the rest of us, not only do they work hard to keep the game on its feet, they are working to improve and update it to keep the adventure going! Whats more is from what I have seen they are pretty active with their player-base as far as communication and replying to concerns go. A lot of you are disappointed in the state of the game and while I myself am not to happy with the current state of PvP and the lack of attention it is getting, I know that Zenimax will come through and surprise the PvP community with something great. Yes it sucks and yes I agree Zenimax should have done a better job with the implementation and execution of PvP here in TESO. It was advertise as a PvP game (in my opinion) and should be Zenimax's main focus.

But you know what? Zenimax is also a business and it needs the cash flow to fund its employees, keep the servers up, come out with DLC, ect. And honestly most of the money for games like TESO is in PvE. I know I don't like it either but its a fact. Yet even though Zenimax is a business they are still gamers just like you and I and want the game to thrive and succeed. I've gone from WoW to Rift to GW, to Secret World, to TESO and even to the recent please of BDO. I still go in between all of these games and in my honest opinion, besides the lag, crashes and a few balance issues, Zenimax does pretty well with this game. Keep your chin up every one, Zenimax will come through.

@Zenimax
I hope all of you know that even though the player base may seen extremely angry with you a lot and frustrating most of the time, we are so outspoken because we care. We see the potential in this game and we all know it could be so much more than it currently is. But that is the best part of being an MMO right? The adventure never ends! (also I just have to add this in here, give us some PvPers some love content wise

)

In conclusion,
Thank you Zenimax, I appreciate all of your handwork.
Here is a link to a song I like to jam to when I feel stressed (hope it helps!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNVZzXgMdXs

HoloYoitsu · March 2016

calvin.tracy_ESO wrote: »

I see many people spewing out bile towards you for trying to reach out to us with an answer that people don't like. I know everyone at Zenimax has a great vision for TESO and I believe in that vision.

As a quick thought exercise, could you describe to us what you believe ZOS's 'great vision' for ESO is?

Is this an acceptable part of that vision?
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/251466/compilation-of-tg-bugs-in-pvp-current-bug-counter-70-ginas-replies-added

calvin.tracy_ESO wrote: »

@The community
Cut Zenimax some slack, they go to work and work hard every day like the rest of us, not only do they work hard to keep the game on its feet, they are working to improve and update it to keep the adventure going!

I don't care how hard they work, I care about results. IRL you don't deliver a poor product but then get browney points because you tried really hard to make it work.

For all of your optimism that makes you "know that Zenimax will come through and surprise the PvP community with something great," can you give us any specific examples of what exactly gives you the faith to believe that? ESO Live transcripts, dev forum posts, The Road Ahead, ect?

And on the issue of ZOS being "pretty active with their player-base as far as communication and replying to concerns go," how do you reconcile this statement with Wrobel's giant "AoE Cap Discussion" thread, in which he did not reply once?

AOECAPS · March 2016

calvin.tracy_ESO wrote: »

Good evening all,
(yes I know the "Z" in zenimax inst capitalized I just capitalized it because I got sick of the auto correct thinking I was trying to post about a zeni employee)

I don't normally post on the forums, I'm more of a reader than a poster as I don't like the judgment people tend to push on others. That said I feel like this needs to be said/posted.

I think a lot of the player base is way to hard on Zenimax, could they have launched the game better? Yep. Could they pay more attention to the "hardcore" and "PVP" player base? Yes of course. But you know what? This game is beautiful. The soundtrack the graphics the sound quality, the voice acting (in certain parts terrible I'll admit but overall very well done) I know this is coming off as fan-boyish but I honestly am not trying to fanboy Zenimax. I do love the Elder Scrolls series, but that doesn't mean I will overlook their bs decisions. However this thread is not meant to be a complaint thread, rather I wanted to thank Zenimax for making TESO.

Zenimax thank you for creating this game, I know you get a lot of uproar from the community and I'm sure there are days at work you all feel hated. Well please don't feel that way for long. Go to work, have a good day and TESO will be all the better for it. Thank you for the soundtrack, the epic adventure, and the awesome PvP. Thank you for communicating with the community even though I see many people spewing out bile towards you for trying to reach out to us with an answer that people don't like. I know everyone at Zenimax has a great vision for TESO and I believe in that vision.

@The community
Cut Zenimax some slack, they go to work and work hard every day like the rest of us, not only do they work hard to keep the game on its feet, they are working to improve and update it to keep the adventure going! Whats more is from what I have seen they are pretty active with their player-base as far as communication and replying to concerns go. A lot of you are disappointed in the state of the game and while I myself am not to happy with the current state of PvP and the lack of attention it is getting, I know that Zenimax will come through and surprise the PvP community with something great. Yes it sucks and yes I agree Zenimax should have done a better job with the implementation and execution of PvP here in TESO. It was advertise as a PvP game (in my opinion) and should be Zenimax's main focus.

But you know what? Zenimax is also a business and it needs the cash flow to fund its employees, keep the servers up, come out with DLC, ect. And honestly most of the money for games like TESO is in PvE. I know I don't like it either but its a fact. Yet even though Zenimax is a business they are still gamers just like you and I and want the game to thrive and succeed. I've gone from WoW to Rift to GW, to Secret World, to TESO and even to the recent please of BDO. I still go in between all of these games and in my honest opinion, besides the lag, crashes and a few balance issues, Zenimax does pretty well with this game. Keep your chin up every one, Zenimax will come through.

@Zenimax
I hope all of you know that even though the player base may seen extremely angry with you a lot and frustrating most of the time, we are so outspoken because we care. We see the potential in this game and we all know it could be so much more than it currently is. But that is the best part of being an MMO right? The adventure never ends! (also I just have to add this in here, give us some PvPers some love content wise )

In conclusion,
Thank you Zenimax, I appreciate all of your handwork.
Here is a link to a song I like to jam to when I feel stressed (hope it helps!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNVZzXgMdXs

I'm sure you also cut the restaurant slack when thy charge you to much or get your order wrong.im sure you cut ra slack for releasing broken games year after year and never Fixing them. Or what about that pesky mailmen they doesn't deliver your mail? I'll cut zenimax some slack once they fix their issues. Lag in pvp lag in dungeons lag in big cities.crash in wayrest when I walk up the stairs by the fountain.does ZOS deserve slack to be cut hell no. The only employees that deserve slack are Gina Jessica etc but I've never seen anyone really be rude to them. We all would probably have a better connection if we were playing fantasy star online on the sega dreamcast. This thing is a mess

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · March 2016

I think people need to step back and realize this is a game. I just find it unimaginable how people act like this is some kind of life or death situation. If you dont like the game then grow up be a big boy and move on. The difference between here an d a restaurant is at the restaurant you start running your mouth they would throw you out on your ear.

Or better example you are the kind of people that would eat the entire dinner then complain about the water being warm. Then you would refuse to pay the whole bill. I got news for you guys. Millions play this game. You are but one person. While yes zenimax doesnt like to lose customers they arent going to bend over for you. I know this bugs your ego and you guys toss a fit about it because you think you are special snowflakes. You arent.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · March 2016

I do disagree with the OP tho that this was marketed as a pvp game. I wouldnt have purchased it had it been marketed as a pvp game.

Haxnschwammer · March 2016

Yeah...no PvP marketing....
Huge sieges, 200+ players on screen at once, or the trailers with the three heroes fighting each other....
sure. no PvP....

scorpiodog · March 2016

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I think people need to step back and realize this is a game. I just find it unimaginable how people act like this is some kind of life or death situation. If you dont like the game then grow up be a big boy and move on. The difference between here an d a restaurant is at the restaurant you start running your mouth they would throw you out on your ear.

Or better example you are the kind of people that would eat the entire dinner then complain about the water being warm. Then you would refuse to pay the whole bill. I got news for you guys. Millions play this game. You are but one person. While yes zenimax doesnt like to lose customers they arent going to bend over for you. I know this bugs your ego and you guys toss a fit about it because you think you are special snowflakes. You arent.

My analogy would be people who go to Starbucks and complain about Starbucks coffee DAY after DAY after DAY, but still go there every day, are rude and demanding, camp out for hours on end, harass the staff and all the while believe they are the "best" or "most valued" customers because they buy 3 cups a day and "casual" customers just come in buy their stuff and leave.

Sugaroverdose · March 2016

@calvin.tracy_ESO did you played ESO at least when U6 was live? This was great game, it already had much issues, but it still was insanely deep, now? Absolutely not, they don't have vision as you saying, now they making things which people who doesn't know how much mechanics and ways to be unique are ruined in game call "awesome".

Little primer: How much vamps do you know, who runs with fire resistance enchant on jewelry? In U6 even non-vamps did use it, just because of DK OP'ness, also it did help to beat City Of Ash.

Don't like to say such things: but you don't know what game was, and don't know what people really complaining about, so your thoughts doesn't really touch anyone except PVE players who already happy that game become one-polarity grindfest without any intellectual competition.

PriorityBalle · March 2016

I think the community is too good on 'Z'enimax. ( Ofc its a capital Z, its looks freakin awesome )

Elektrakosh · March 2016

PvE player here and quite frankly this whole game needs an overhaul. PvP needs sorting, the bugs that have existed since beta need fixing and they sorely need to balance classes and racial skills properly.

I liked the game, I really did but they do try too hard to please everyone especially the nerf squad. They have, in my opinion, become cash grabbers, using pretty things to get money for those who care about aesthetics. It's working too. They should fix the problems first before committing to DLCs. I would have more respect for them if they did that. They work to short deadlines which also factors in the quality of their products.

They should ease off the bright and shinies and dedicate their time fixing what is broken.

BlueViolet · March 2016

I don't think the "zenimax are a business and need to make money" is any excuse at all for a poor product. Or, a poorly handled product. I don't think people should pay for potential either.

PLENTY of people have given them feedback, politely I might add, over the last couple of years. Suggestions, research, feedback and what not, but much of it has apparently been ignored. A lot of PC players in the first year or so, perhaps even more, felt like they were doing nothing but paying for the privilege of being constant beta-testers.

While I believe that there should be some love on the forum for the parts of the game that are terrific, ( because there ARE great parts of it ) people should also voice their complaints and suggestions, even if they are in the negative. Otherwise, how are the developers to know anything, without feedback?

That said, I love ESO, and while I find that some of the decisions that have been made have been detrimental to the game, I still play it because I like it. I like it for many of the reasons that others don't - because it isn't your everyday cookie cutter MMO, like all the others out there. I hope that they continue to adhere to it's unique style.

VincentBlanquin · March 2016

Zenimax completely destroy my fanboyism for elder scrolls series

Volkodav · March 2016

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I think people need to step back and realize this is a game. I just find it unimaginable how people act like this is some kind of life or death situation. If you dont like the game then grow up be a big boy and move on. The difference between here an d a restaurant is at the restaurant you start running your mouth they would throw you out on your ear.

Or better example you are the kind of people that would eat the entire dinner then complain about the water being warm. Then you would refuse to pay the whole bill. I got news for you guys. Millions play this game. You are but one person. While yes zenimax doesnt like to lose customers they arent going to bend over for you. I know this bugs your ego and you guys toss a fit about it because you think you are special snowflakes. You arent.

How can I add to perfection? I cant.
This is just perfect.

aubrey.baconb16_ESO · March 2016

Similar to the OP, I'm a lurker rather than a poster and I agree with the OP. I'm a very casual early release player with a only a VR1 main and a couple of alts in the 40's so I may well be a niche player compared to most of the posters here. But, the game plays fine for me, and most importantly keeps me entertained when I want it to. I sub and think that it's excellent entertainment value for money compared to the alternatives.

I think that many changes being requested aren't fixes at all, they're changes of play style that some of you want to make the game in your mind, more logical, more playable etc, e.g. AOE cap. To make those changes or not is ZOS decision, not yours. If you don't like it then go forth.

As for the lag it was introduced when major code went server side rather than client side to stop cheats. As usual, a few spoil it for the many. It may never be possible to get those same pre-change timings back but ZOS have acknowledged many times they are trying hard to fix it. And unlike HoloYoitsu I do appreciate hard work, even to no effect, when trying to achieve something that may never be achievable.

I'm sure that the majority posting here won't agree with me but I suspect that a somewhat larger proportion of the total player base will.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · March 2016

There is a difference between giving feedback and being a pest. You can give feedback without posting it here. There are plenty of ways to leave feedback. Thing is tho ya you left feedback. So did millions of other people. Yours doesnt get acted on you take it personally.

AOECAPS · March 2016

Lol says can leave feedback lmao gtfo you mean like leave feedback in a 90 page Templar thread that the devs or community managers didn't even lurk in until around page 76 and people's questions and civility was ignored? You need to get off
Your high horse pal people play the game because of the friends they made or they can find some fun in it. By no means does that mean the game is good.the game needs a major overhaul. And trying to say that we r the people that get thrown out of restaurants lol nah if the service was poor and the order was wrong if say something politely if it was a habitual thing I'd then go to the manager.i don't know if you have noticed or not when people are civil here and post about bugs glitches exploits it goes un noticed from the "management" . So of course people are not happy and speak out on things because they don't fix this stuff. It took them over a year to fix the mundus glitch and that's still TBD if they actually fixed it. And you doing your little quests in rivenspire or stonefalls while people are lagging out in maelstrom and city of ash now. Since thieves guild launched my group has crashed 4 times on the bridge to the first bone colossus didn't happen before TG and now it does. Idk about you but if my employer was paying me and I kept breaking things do you think they would be happy?

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · March 2016

"Good" is subjective and your opinion. I havent had a single crash since 48 hours after the launch of TG. Even then I was only crashing in group dungeons. As far as your quip about me doing some quest in rivenspire I have VR16s thanks. The service is only poor in your opinion. You have choices. Belittling the devs on the forums and leaving feedback that basically says wipe it all and start over is hardly helping anything. Do you honestly think they take that kind of feedback seriously?

Fact is this is a game. Its a complicated piece of code. Its hardly the same as flipping burgers or working retail whatever it is you do. For the game to run as well as it does in 99% of it to me is simply amazing. I have fun play it everyday. While yes there are bugs again its just a game. One you probably arent even paying per month for.

calvin.tracy_ESO · March 2016

Look I realize a lot of you here seem to disagree with me, and that is perfectly find. I have fun playing this game and I do enjoy the DLC packs, I see zenimax comment in a fair amount of threads on the forums, more than I have ever seen form Blizzard or Trion.

As far as the "vision" I am talking about that zenimax has, they obviously want the game to succeed as it is their business and way of getting paid, facts are facts. However again like I said they are gamers like you and I and when they look at TESO they not only look at it as a source of income, its also their creation. A lot of you are upset at the bugs and their lack of fixing them or releasing the game in its poor state, if you guys want to quote me feel free, however I did state they could have done better/should do better I am not delusional in the fact that this game is buggy and has issues. I completely agree with you guys on that.

I don't know how to "quote" people so if I miss any inquiries I apologize.

Do I have any evidence to back up what I think zenimax vision for this game is? Well I really don't have many days off and when I get home I have homework then I gotta get some sleep for the next work day so I don't have time to go searching the forums or look up quotes from the Devs. All I have to go on are the forum posts I have seen zenimax, and the few patch notes I have read that address some of the issues you guys are talking about. I believe there was even a post (I apologize I dont have a link) but it was a long list of community questions/reports about bugs/lag ect and a response form a zenimax dev to each question all in one thread. So that also gives me hope.

A lot of you are upset and that is perfectly fine, I just don't think zenimax deserves all the hate. As far as a dev not responding to the AOE post, have you ever considered maybe they are afraid to because basically any answer the devs give or any time they show their face people get on their case? About ever zenimax post I see is met with complete hate from the community. Would you continue to support someone who brought you down all the time? I hope not.

The important thing to note here is they are trying and succeeding and you people don't seem to see that, if you want to see a dev team that has truly given up and abandoned their game and has next to zero communication with their fan base go look at SWTOR.

EDIT: Here is some good insight and proves my point the Devs are active with the community and are doing their best and trying to resolve the issues with PvP.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/157157/update-on-cyrodiil-performance/p1

Also thank you HoloYoitsu the post you linked was indeed the thread I was talking about where with the responses from zenimax. Again it shows they are trying and giving players answers.