Right because people looking for group members their own level are elitists, get over it. If you dont like people leaving your group get max vet already.

Polysemy wrote: »

Right because people looking for group members their own level are elitists, get over it. If you dont like people leaving your group get max vet already.

Dude you are a punk and ruin MMOs. This is why MMOs are turning more and more solo friendly cause people dont want to group cause of punks like you.

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

Polysemy wrote: »

Right because people looking for group members their own level are elitists, get over it. If you dont like people leaving your group get max vet already.

Dude you are a punk and ruin MMOs. This is why MMOs are turning more and more solo friendly cause people dont want to group cause of punks like you.

MMOs bring tiers of content. End level players don't always like to carry low level players or carry bad players through content. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Blame the poor design for it, not the players. If this upsets low level players so much are plenty of SP games out there.

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

Polysemy wrote: »

Right because people looking for group members their own level are elitists, get over it. If you dont like people leaving your group get max vet already.

Dude you are a punk and ruin MMOs. This is why MMOs are turning more and more solo friendly cause people dont want to group cause of punks like you.

Exactly. They make it so there's no point anymore to being any level other then the level cap. If you're not maxed then you're useless. That's a crap mentality in a video game meant to be fun.

In vet you have to kind of prove yourself, or wait for guilds to have "pug night". I'd say "follow" a guild around, try not mess up any ult bombs they are doing and rez rez rez. Be social in zone (call out enemies when seen, a keep/resource flagged etc.), try not to call them elitist lol and then after maybe a cycle or two (depending on campaign) then if you lfg in zone you might get picked up.

It really shouldn't be this way, guilds/groups should grab whoever and then if they don't live up to some expectation then they'll get kicked from group but... it's not this way. Prove yourself and you should be just fine.

Not sure what you're trying to achieve by posting this but I enjoy playing with low vet ranks myself due to the dungeon scale etc, but just because people leave doesn't make them elitist maybe it's not SCALED to get 16? Maybe they don't want to run that specific dungeon? You can't just assume people are elitist right off the bat.

Pepsi2853_ESO wrote: »

seriously, there are v16 elitists that will use the dungeon finder to find a group, and then when they get the group if they see they're playing with lower vet ranks they immediately leave.

and in pvp, i was able to instantly find a group in the non-vet pvp lobby. it was just type "lfg" in zone chat and you got a group. now since i'm a vet rank when i go into a pvp lobby and type "lfg" i never find a group. i even call the elitists out on it like "hrey cmon elitists can i joinz a group???" and they reply "lol, no. git gud" and stuff like that. so i know it isn't just a lack of groups in pvp, but purposeful exclusion. opinions.

The Pve players are probably looking to run the dungeon with others their level. Elitists are generally not in the group finder. They have groups they run with to do what they need to do. Odds are, the players that drop are not elitists.

As for pvp, join a guild. People in guilds don't pick up pugs for a few reasons. One is spies. Another is that pugs generally don't follow orders and can cause a headache for the group. It 8s not necessarily that they are elittists, as much as it is the lack of discipline generally associated with pugs. Many guilds accept all players. Simply joining one will solve your issues.ya sure thereally are elitexpected pvp guilds that have a process in orDer to join, bur there are just aa many guilds that accept all whi ask or show a willingness to join. .

So you choose not to be social and join a guild, and ZoS says to you "don't worry i'll give you an automated tool to find groups with!" where it takes 0 effort to find a group. Then you're mad that, when not having to join a guild to run group content, players choose not to run with you.

Sounds like a much different problem than any supposed elitists, I would argue this is a matter of player entitlement.

Humatiel wrote: »

So you choose not to be social and join a guild, and ZoS says to you "don't worry i'll give you an automated tool to find groups with!" where it takes 0 effort to find a group. Then you're mad that, when not having to join a guild to run group content, players choose not to run with you.

Sounds like a much different problem than any supposed elitists, I would argue this is a matter of player entitlement.

A lot of people use it now because of the rewards just because people use it doesn't mean they're not in a guild.

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

Not sure what you're trying to achieve by posting this but I enjoy playing with low vet ranks myself due to the dungeon scale etc, but just because people leave doesn't make them elitist maybe it's not SCALED to get 16? Maybe they don't want to run that specific dungeon? You can't just assume people are elitist right off the bat.

I can understand not wanting to run a specific dungeon. I swear the 'random' dungeon finder gives me WGT at least half the time I use it, and I am getting tired of it. It's gotten to the point where I do not even bother trying to run them (even the regular version) unless everyone is at least VR1. But that's not an attempt to be elitist. Rather it's that I think those dungeons shouldn't even be in the random regular listing to begin with. They were simply made for characters with more than the most basic of skills and gear. I'm not assuming that the players don't know what they're doing, but rather I'm wary that the dungeon isn't quite as accessible to them as the dungeon finder may believe it is.

I don't fault the lower levels there; but the thing is I'll explain that to them before I leave. I'll give them a heads-up that those dungeons are on essentially a whole other tier of difficulty from the base game regular dungeons. If you have a good reason for leaving other than 'Ugh non-vet pugs when I chose to use the random non-vet dungeon finder.' I'm all with you. But actually, you know, say something to the group. Don't just leave. Let them know, "Hey, sorry, but I've run this dungeon like 7 times in the past 3 days and I'd really rather not again. I hope you guys get a replacement quick and good luck!" or "Hey, I'm sorry, but this dungeon is designed for much higher levels than we all have here and I don't have the time to help out with it all. But good luck if you choose to run it!"

And as for 'scaled to get 16' (I'm guessing here that you mean getting VR16 loot drops, I think?) it is, actually, scaled to drop the loot at your level. It's one of the nice things about the battle-leveling. Everyone gets loot at their own level (or at least a chance for it in a VR16's case since the game loves to give VR16s VR14 gear half the time even without battle-scaling).

I'm sorry, but if you're leaving a group just because you think they might not know what they're doing without even engaging the first enemy (or even just getting a look at their gear) then you are an elitist.

Elitism: The superior attitude or behaviour associated with an elite - http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/elitism

"They are not VR16 and therefore they can't have any idea what they're doing at all; and, because I am VR16, I clearly can make that judgement call."

In the end, you can do as you like with the game you bought and may well still be paying for, but that won't stop me from calling you can elitist if you act like one. Just know that it sure wouldn't help the PvE community much if everyone were to suddenly think like you do. There are jerks online. I can accept that. Doesn't mean I can't call them jerks.

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

Humatiel wrote: »

So you choose not to be social and join a guild, and ZoS says to you "don't worry i'll give you an automated tool to find groups with!" where it takes 0 effort to find a group. Then you're mad that, when not having to join a guild to run group content, players choose not to run with you.

Sounds like a much different problem than any supposed elitists, I would argue this is a matter of player entitlement.

A lot of people use it now because of the rewards just because people use it doesn't mean they're not in a guild.

True, but elitists are likely not joining group finder. And 8f they are they know exactly what they are getting in to and likely will take what they get. They are not in group finder to find a solid group to run with, but to help out new players or perhaps look for a new challenge to a dungeon they ran 100 times. Odds are an elitist is only running a dungeon because they are doing daily in which case they will generally have a group or two they run with systematically, especially gold key. Or, to farm it for helms in which case they are also not using the group finder because they are looking for speed runs.

Bottom line is, the players that leave, likely are not elitist. Elitist don't need no stinking group finder

DerAlleinTiger wrote: »

x_Nathan_F wrote: »

Not sure what you're trying to achieve by posting this but I enjoy playing with low vet ranks myself due to the dungeon scale etc, but just because people leave doesn't make them elitist maybe it's not SCALED to get 16? Maybe they don't want to run that specific dungeon? You can't just assume people are elitist right off the bat.

I can understand not wanting to run a specific dungeon. I swear the 'random' dungeon finder gives me WGT at least half the time I use it, and I am getting tired of it. It's gotten to the point where I do not even bother trying to run them (even the regular version) unless everyone is at least VR1. But that's not an attempt to be elitist. Rather it's that I think those dungeons shouldn't even be in the random regular listing to begin with. They were simply made for characters with more than the most basic of skills and gear. I'm not assuming that the players don't know what they're doing, but rather I'm wary that the dungeon isn't quite as accessible to them as the dungeon finder may believe it is.

I don't fault the lower levels there; but the thing is I'll explain that to them before I leave. I'll give them a heads-up that those dungeons are on essentially a whole other tier of difficulty from the base game regular dungeons. If you have a good reason for leaving other than 'Ugh non-vet pugs when I chose to use the random non-vet dungeon finder.' I'm all with you. But actually, you know, say something to the group. Don't just leave. Let them know, "Hey, sorry, but I've run this dungeon like 7 times in the past 3 days and I'd really rather not again. I hope you guys get a replacement quick and good luck!" or "Hey, I'm sorry, but this dungeon is designed for much higher levels than we all have here and I don't have the time to help out with it all. But good luck if you choose to run it!"

And as for 'scaled to get 16' (I'm guessing here that you mean getting VR16 loot drops, I think?) it is, actually, scaled to drop the loot at your level. It's one of the nice things about the battle-leveling. Everyone gets loot at their own level (or at least a chance for it in a VR16's case since the game loves to give VR16s VR14 gear half the time even without battle-scaling).

I'm sorry, but if you're leaving a group just because you think they might not know what they're doing without even engaging the first enemy (or even just getting a look at their gear) then you are an elitist.

Elitism: The superior attitude or behaviour associated with an elite - http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/elitism

"They are not VR16 and therefore they can't have any idea what they're doing at all; and, because I am VR16, I clearly can make that judgement call."

In the end, you can do as you like with the game you bought and may well still be paying for, but that won't stop me from calling you can elitist if you act like one. Just know that it sure wouldn't help the PvE community much if everyone were to suddenly think like you do. There are jerks online. I can accept that. Doesn't mean I can't call them jerks.

Yea my bad I meant vet 16 auto correct and as I said I enjoy playing with low vet ranks if that wasnt aimed at me my apologies, I see what you mean as well if they have SCALED the loot then good, usually when I do group finder its always set to vet 16.

NovaShadow wrote: »

I just thought of something, the dungeon runs, are you using the random dungeon finder? If so, I've left a few groups using that tool until I get a dungeon I want/need to complete.

If you're going the random route, this is possibly why they're leaving.

NovaShadow wrote: »

I just thought of something, the dungeon runs, are you using the random dungeon finder? If so, I've left a few groups using that tool until I get a dungeon I want/need to complete.

If you're going the random route, this is possibly why they're leaving.

They need to place a timer, if you leave before the first pack is attacked when a group is full you can`t rejoin the queue for 30 minutes or until that dungeon is left by everyone or completed. That would keep people from doing what you are doing as in ruining it for everyone.

Mojmir wrote: »

if someone is elite,wtf are they doing using the group finder?
elites would only run with elites,otherwise trollin and pointless.

a lot of them probably want the random dungeon reward bonus. these v16 elitists will que, find a group, and if they feel the group they've been joined up with won't be good enough they immediately leave and re-que.

Pepsi2853_ESO wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

if someone is elite,wtf are they doing using the group finder?
elites would only run with elites,otherwise trollin and pointless.

a lot of them probably want the random dungeon reward bonus. these v16 elitists will que, find a group, and if they feel the group they've been joined up with won't be good enough they immediately leave and re-que.

There's actually a something going on (even acknowledged on last ESO Live) that makes having 3 and doing the random daily take any extended time (30mins or more) to find a 4th sometimes. I find it hard to believe many people would leave just to re-que and wait that long again.