Will actual performance ever be a priority for this game?

mrmadpyrorwb17_ESO · March 2016

Wollust wrote: »

They showed on ESO live the statistics for fps and latency from the last few updates..

I'd love to see it for before and after the lighting/anti bot patch. Must have dropped hard.

Well you know what they say about statistics..

HoloYoitsu · March 2016

The only performance they care about is YOUR performance in the crown store.

YeOldeGamer · March 2016

Gidorick wrote: »

I don't know WHAT their priority is... point to any aspect of the game and you'll find players that feel that that part of the game isn't a priority to ZOS.

M O N E Y.

Vangy · March 2016

Fix performance issues? hurr durr!

Here have a new mount and forget all about your troubles and tears! Yes gives me ur monehhhh, you know you want that new camel mount. Isnt it CUTEE.... aww yesssssh.

As long as we have people keep forking out money to ZOS, there's no incentive for them to fix anything. Make your $$ matter by not giving it to them. Then they will wake up and start fixing the issues.

Slayyer-AUS · March 2016

No SLi support still. getting 40 fps in raids on medium settings with 3 gtx 780s. Pretty sure this game runs on the hero engine and it is terrible

Korah_Eaglecry · March 2016

If the performance of the game wasnt a priority. There wouldnt be patch notes in every patch about performance improvements.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · March 2016

Vangy wrote: »

Fix performance issues? hurr durr!

Here have a new mount and forget all about your troubles and tears! Yes gives me ur monehhhh, you know you want that new camel mount. Isnt it CUTEE.... aww yesssssh.

As long as we have people keep forking out money to ZOS, there's no incentive for them to fix anything. Make your $$ matter by not giving it to them. Then they will wake up and start fixing the issues.

They need to step it up in the mount department, I've seen exactly one person sporting a camel. If they can't even get the cash grab right, I don't have much faith in the rest.

puvi10 · March 2016

I've been playing this game for about 6 months now and for what ive been reading here in the forums and experiencing myself, the answer is NO unfortunately. In the beginning I could not believe when people said the lag had been going on for over a year without any updates to make it better but after 6 months playing and nothing added to the game to fix it I am now getting really frustrated with the game and just to get worse, today I was kicked from the game in a PVE area (Deshaan) for the first time due to lag (latency). This whole situation is just sad.

HoloYoitsu · March 2016

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

If the performance of the game wasnt a priority. There wouldnt be patch notes in every patch about performance improvements.

The problem with that line of thinking is that you're assuming those 'performance improvements' in the patch notes actually correspond to real performance improvements in game. =\

mrmadpyrorwb17_ESO · March 2016

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Fix performance issues? hurr durr!

Here have a new mount and forget all about your troubles and tears! Yes gives me ur monehhhh, you know you want that new camel mount. Isnt it CUTEE.... aww yesssssh.

As long as we have people keep forking out money to ZOS, there's no incentive for them to fix anything. Make your $$ matter by not giving it to them. Then they will wake up and start fixing the issues.

They need to step it up in the mount department, I've seen exactly one person sporting a camel. If they can't even get the cash grab right, I don't have much faith in the rest.

Really? I seem to see them everywhere.

mtwiggz · March 2016

JD2013 wrote: »

Let's hear your ideas then, OP? What would fix the performance?

Obviously removing all wildlife from Cyrodiil.

Honestly though; code optimization, server upgrades, removal of certain nonsensical skill special effects, removal of AoE caps, rewind whatever the hell they did in the infamous "lighting patch", etc.

I'm no game design/developer genius, nor would I ever claim to be, but there has to be something they can do to help reduce the latency/performance issues that plague this game. What I listed is just a conglomerate of other ideas I have heard thrown about. Other games of similar caliber do not have these kinds of issues consistently. If other developers can figure out fixes for their games I do not see why ZoS cannot for theirs.

Ethona · March 2016

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Performance was fine in 2014 when this game launched.

Giant battles AOE and PFX everywhere. No lag.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vmmQVheKOk

Skip to 2m 9s. Just look at those numbers!!! This was before pop caps were reduced. No lag.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DV9TwsosyI#t=2m9s

More massive battles. No lag.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUzFW0Y11BM

The real question is, why can't we have that now?

It is my opinion that the lag and fps issues started when anti-cheat-hack checks were put in place that scans internet game packets for ESO. Before patch 1.5 my pings were 60 or so MS and after those patch my pings are 120 to 140 ms. Just my opinion and theory though we will never really know.

mrmadpyrorwb17_ESO · March 2016

mtwiggz wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Let's hear your ideas then, OP? What would fix the performance?

Obviously removing all wildlife from Cyrodiil.

Honestly though; code optimization, server upgrades, removal of certain nonsensical skill special effects, removal of AoE caps, rewind whatever the hell they did in the infamous "lighting patch", etc.

I'm no game design/developer genius, nor would I ever claim to be, but there has to be something they can do to help reduce the latency/performance issues that plague this game. What I listed is just a conglomerate of other ideas I have heard thrown about. Other games of similar caliber do not have these kinds of issues consistently. If other developers can figure out fixes for their games I do not see why ZoS cannot for theirs.

There's nothing inherently complicated about the things that are being done in ESO, but the scale of the battles just require a level of code optimization that hasn't been done.

It's pure and simply just a matter of fixing the code on the technical side of things. AoE caps removal might help the game and simplify the issue a bit as well, so I'm all for it.

MaxwellC · March 2016

@Yolokin_Swagonborn
Yup I bet it's AoE Caps that caused the majority of the lag, as the thread someone made showed that the server takes in more calculation due to the AoE Caps as opposed to not having any. If the game didn't have any AoE Caps the server will have a lightened load due to it not being in it's calculations and players who are balling up dying much easier.

A proof of that now is someone rocking VD running into a ball zerg and ending them because first comes a lag spike (due to calculation) then boom everyone starts dying and the lag gets reduced.

Vangy · March 2016

1.All and any wildlife needs to purged from cyrodill. Goats, squirrels, deer whatevs. Blow them to bits.
2.All pve stuff needs to be blown to bits too.
3.while we're at it; let's remove keeps as well. They probably cause lag too with all those people using doors and all.
4.yaaay. The only thing left in cyro is vast open fields with some walls and hundreds of player playing a counter-strike style gameplay. Mag builds wearing VD are the terrorists with bombs and the stam builds are the counter terrorists trying to frantically avoid/kill the proxy death bomber men. With no keeps what are we fighting for? No one knows but hell hopefully this is within capability to solve lag problem.

JamilaRaj · March 2016

Vangy wrote: »

3.while we're at it; let's remove keeps as well. They probably cause lag too with all those people using doors and all.

Come on, you can not just remove keeps because people use doors. It took them years to make doors finally work, it is one of their two..err...few true successes.
The other being fixing reflecting spells so it does not drain resources; it was fixed in ~1.4 to universal acclaim, so they fixed it again in the latest patch, and again the fix has been well received by dragon knights.

Jimboo84 · March 2016

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Performance was fine in 2014 when this game launched.

Giant battles AOE and PFX everywhere. No lag.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vmmQVheKOk

Skip to 2m 9s. Just look at those numbers!!! This was before pop caps were reduced. No lag.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DV9TwsosyI#t=2m9s

More massive battles. No lag.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUzFW0Y11BM

The real question is, why can't we have that now?

Oh, I miss this performance(PC). The good old days.

Tdroid · March 2016

No, I doubt it ever will.

@ZOS_GinaBruno prove me wrong, please.

themdogesbite · March 2016

Performance fixes? HAHAAHAHHAH

Necrelios · March 2016

It's not just in PvP anymore either. For a long time now, even on the 64-bit client there is an eventual framerate drop after playing for a while. I always start out at around 50+ FPS, but then after about 20 minutes it drops in half and the game just starts to struggle, at which point it sometimes crashes. There is definitely something weird going on there.

Garldeen · March 2016

Having three loading screens while travelling from one end of city to the other is always great fun.

At least gives me chance to read my uni papers and game at the same time

Malmai · March 2016

mrmadpyrorwb17_ESO wrote: »

Let's just first start off by saying that I'm super stoked to see the progress ESO has made since launch, and overall I'm pretty pleased with the game.
But let's be frank here, performance has never been good in this game. Even highend systems can't cope in large battles, and outdoor zones generally just have worse framerates than they should.

It's very very clear that there are big memory and threading optimization issues with this game. And it certainly seems to extend to the server-side of things the way we are seeing Cyrodiil performance just tank with every update.

Please, will performance ever be an issue? The FPS is not supposed to tank so heavily just because 20+ players are nearby. So many other games and other mmos are able to handle a large amount of players, so surely there are a lot of underlying issues with the code.

Is performance ever going to be a priority? It hasn't been at any point in the life of this game. At a certain point you're just gonna have to spend a lot of dough and get some proper C++ gurus in there to fix the horrible CPU bottlenecks. I'd venture a guess that this is also what's causing the lag in Cyrodiil campaigns, if the same programmers are working on server-side code.

Please please, can we have some proper feedback that you're actually actively acknowledging that the game performance is way lower than it should be, and that you're making performance a real priority, rather than just keep adding new content, making the codebase larger and larger without what i presume to be some pretty major refactoring and optimization steps to take to actually fix the engine.

No crown shop and optimism will fix the performance.

Clarkieson · March 2016

investment would be required from ZOS to improve performance.

thats not a joke but it sure is hilarious. you think that they have a budget for improvements? or they even care? They dont even test their products before release.

im pretty sure ZOS have never seen an XBOX or a playstation or could even describe what they look like. if they have a PC it probably works with placard cards. They only have 1 Mac and its used by ZOS bunnies to troll this forum.

jbcrocks · March 2016

Their hotfix hotbroke the game. So a big NO. They prioritize selling more boxes by doing more DLC's although they don't realize that they'd sell more when they do a large scale optimization to the game and sell DLC's after.

This would result to better performance and then would result to better reviews then more boxes.

Sallington · March 2016

Gidorick wrote: »

I don't know WHAT their priority is... point to any aspect of the game and you'll find players that feel that that part of the game isn't a priority to ZOS.

Releasing DLC on time and getting 5000 crown items for whales ready is their priority.

Sallington · March 2016

Ethona wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Performance was fine in 2014 when this game launched.

Giant battles AOE and PFX everywhere. No lag.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vmmQVheKOk

Skip to 2m 9s. Just look at those numbers!!! This was before pop caps were reduced. No lag.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DV9TwsosyI#t=2m9s

More massive battles. No lag.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUzFW0Y11BM

The real question is, why can't we have that now?

It is my opinion that the lag and fps issues started when anti-cheat-hack checks were put in place that scans internet game packets for ESO. Before patch 1.5 my pings were 60 or so MS and after those patch my pings are 120 to 140 ms. Just my opinion and theory though we will never really know.

That's more fact than opinion. That's basically exactly when the performance tanked.

demonaffinity · March 2016

It would be quite refreshing to at least see Zeni acknowledge this. it's a big concern for so many of the remaining players.

mrmadpyrorwb17_ESO · March 2016

demonaffinity wrote: »

It would be quite refreshing to at least see Zeni acknowledge this. it's a big concern for so many of the remaining players.

Sort of what I was looking for, just some sort of proper commitment to actually optimizing the client and servers.