Yes.

I've never understood why people think anyone else(other than those they actually play with) cares about them quitting a game. If they expect Zen to fix stuff, submit a bug/feedback report. If they want to start a discussion about something they have a gripe about, start or join one. If you're going to unsub, do so. But don't clutter up general discussion.

Also, a lot of big changes went in with the new DLC, and some people dislike them.

Jhunn wrote: »

Well you shouldn't have this attitude towards the number of people quitting the game since you'll end up .............

without a game at all.

Now there's a solid point

Jaeysa wrote: »

Jhunn wrote: »

Well you shouldn't have this attitude towards the number of people quitting the game since you'll end up .............

without a game at all.

Eh, happens every DLC launch in every game. There are good points to be made by those quitting, but they have already been made in other threads.

It happens every DLC, yes - less people join than people who leave. It's obvious from a PvP point of view - the numbers back in the days was incredibly high compared to now - and from a PvE point of view - endgame PvE guilds deserted, lesser and lesser people in PvE areas. Not to mention they're forced to do a 1 million give-away to draw people back in the game.

So it's alright to have a 'Leave, we won't miss you'-attitude. But people should realize that there's obvious reasons why people leave (a broken, unplayable game) and what it means for the game long term.

Ive seen some of the same people posting they are quitting for sure this time for two years now.

It would be sad to see ESO shutdown but when that happens ile move on to my second favorite MMO. But til that happens ile try to enjoy what I can from ESO. When I get a new headset because those PlayStation Gold ones are so fragile.

Hahah complainers making threads about complainers making threads.

Explain this logic!

ParaNostram wrote: »

AddictionX wrote: »

So like.... the dude says stop being over dramatic... yet creates a forum post about it....

I suppose publicly mocking something or somebody could be interpreted as being overly dramatic, but meh, I'm entertained. My goal has been accomplished.

Nah, he likes to point out the obvious

Whatzituyah wrote: »

Eshelmen wrote: »

Hahah complainers making threads about complainers making threads.

Explain this logic!

Can't if we did our heads will explode.

Logic is simple, as the kids say these days... "For the lolz"

jcasini222ub17_ESO wrote: »

Really 'the most vile representation of the community'?

These forums were awesome in beta, after beta, and even during the long no maintance of the first year (which should have driven everyone insane here). This forum community has done countless hours of testing that should have been arguably done in house. Going back to the start this community created a ton of addons (pretty sure all addon makers have been here in the forums) that actually allowed players to check ZoS' math and illustrate with proof passives not working, then champoin point stars not working. In both instances if it wasnt for the community I doubt ZoS would have addressed the problems since they werent looking for them in the first place.

However, the negativity has absolutely hit overdrive the last 4 months and Im not sure thats the 'vileness of the community' at work.

Please, anywhere where you give people a space to express themselves freely, you get endless "I quit you suck" or "nerf this" threads regardless of the validity of the issue at hand. The vast majority of players I believe are not as extreme in stance and feelings as posts on the forums would lead one to believe.

Remember, just because something gives you a load of feels, doesn't mean it's as important as you feel.

Calm and rational forum posters also feel like the minority to me, again I haven't done any real numbers on this. Yes, they have made positive contributions to the game and I have tried in most of my posts that I have made, but there is no doubting that any free forum to express opinions WILL bring out the worst in people.

I think people leave because they've done everything that they can do well. They got good at PvE in their starting faction, then Coldharbor, then Cadwell's silver & gold. They can get a little more mileage out of Wrothgar, and, if they are the kind of player who groups-up easily, Craglorn. But if PvP then isn't their thing, they'll have trouble in Cyrodiil, but they'll probably keep going at it until they've done the "Savior of Nirn" and "Explorer" quest achievements. And now there's Hew's Bane/Abah's Landing to do a bit more stuff in. But inevitably players will catch up with the forefront of live in-game development. Then they'll either find some way to stay amused with what there already is until the next big update adds a new area to explore, or they'll get bored and leave.

Of those who get bored and leave, though, most of them won't say anything. They won't announce their departure. The people who are doing that are, I think, just trying to act important by dictating that such-and-such Must Be Done! Wannabe alpha males, yessir.

jcasini222ub17_ESO wrote: »

I agree with a lot of what you're saying but broad brushing the forum community as vile, the most vile aspects of the entire game community is absurd.

To me your tone is saying the forum community went vile because at their core the people, the vast majority, are vile and I haven't experienced anything like that on these forums in.over 2 years. I have seen tons of people helping others, helping troubling shooting, offering guides, offer badass thought out suggestions. And of course there are quitting threads and anger vented, always, but that's just emotion, that's OK.

Totally agree these forums have taken very, very negative turn but I can't attributed that to the actual forum community at large being vile people.

Apologies if I misunderstood your tone.

Nope, you got my tone just fine. I am of the opinion that people are by their very nature horribly flawed and prone to horrific acts unless guided to behave otherwise. Not an original opinion, but it is where I stand. Perhaps we're just perceiving things differently but I usually see nothing but negativity on these forums, only barely kept in check by occasional moderator intervention and profanity filters.

Fair enough. We're on the opposite side of our view of people but I suppose a coin does need two sides .

But truthfully these last 4-5 months have gotten more and more negative to the point I check forums usually just weekends now. It really didn't used to be this negative, certainly not at launch and really that whole first year. There was awesome discussions on spell crafting, hybrid builds, viability of x over y. Then again that was ESO and this is ESOTU. And to further that a lot of the old posters names I don't see as much anymore, which is a shame they were good players and good community members.