Viscious Death Clever Alchemist NB mag build, is it worth to swop?

Sirvandal · March 2016

Howdy, I like to know if its worth the effort, cash and time to swop my mag NB to a Viscious Alchy build with Proxdet (Syphers build). Especialy cause you low on resources, is it playable? Can you actualy drop yourself in a group, sap the hell out of them and give a friendly Proxdet gift?

Xsorus · March 2016

I found that if you're wanting to Solo and gank with it..Swap Vicious Death with Magnus..and shadow for Regen Mundus..You do pretty damage still and you have enough resource regen to be viable...

If you wanna bomb zergs swap to viscious instead.

DHale · March 2016

If you are ad like me don't run it you are not Sypher, I am not Sypher. If you are DC or EP I highly recommend you using it I had 277 kills and 33 deaths tonight with 160700 k ap tonight and saw a good 50 ppl running his build. Javelin dark flare toppling charge sweeps... Dead. If you are ccd you lose a lot of the potion up time. That set is a great tanking build.

Xsorus · March 2016

I use the CC immunity pot.....So i dont' lose any potion time heh

leepalmer95 · March 2016

Theres a few sustain builds around as well.

Mine won't use VD, at least no initially i'll have to see, but it should have around

46% crit - Guarantee crit from cloak though
25k hp
13.5k stamina
41k Max magicka
Around 2.9k un buffed spell dmg - Not pot up/ no major sorcery.

And around 2k regen as i'm a breton.

Still with the alch proc, i should get around 4k spell dmg, still have 41k magicka, high crit dmg and decent crit chance. While still being able to fight for more than 15s.

Alcast · March 2016

If you want to have some fun blowing up noobs ye.

Tho all those VD NBs are free AP in 1v1

Master_Kas · March 2016

Alcast wrote: »

If you want to have some fun blowing up noobs ye.

Tho all those VD NBs are free AP in 1v1

You can blow up ANYONE who is stacking in spots where a group is forced to stick close (in a resource tower, chokepoints, inner keeps) with a well timed CC using that setup, not only noobs, just saying :P

Topic: It's alot of fun doing it, but except blowing up people who are close to eachother otherwise it sucks since you have 0 sustain.

olsborg · March 2016

FOTM = Magblade with VD+Alchemist and prox detbombing. Works pretty well. Personally I dont have a magblade in use tho, but I know ppl on my fl who does it.

WillhelmBlack · March 2016

On my Templar I gained 200 spell damage but lost 1000 recovery. I put it all in bank for my Magblade when he's levelled.

aLi3nZ · March 2016

I need advice on blowing people up as Magika sourc. Used with limited success. Just got the set last night. I think will work better in ic because cyrodil groups keep spamming heals while in ic it's easier to gank.

5x julianos
5x vicious death
1x Molag kena

Duel weild when buffed is 3700 spell damage and 1550 Magika regen.

Blew up some smaller groups with help of my own group but lacking the cloak, gap closer, soul tether stun, prox det of mag blade.

I was thinking about trying negate to stop heals. mines and prox det and bursting a single target. Could work.

aLi3nZ · March 2016

Btw I tried Molag kena and clever alchemist proc stacked on pts and even with kena proc on top the alchemist set is not that great. I would not recommend that set.

Vangy · March 2016

aLi3nZ wrote: »

I need advice on blowing people up as Magika sourc. Used with limited success. Just got the set last night. I think will work better in ic because cyrodil groups keep spamming heals while in ic it's easier to gank.

5x julianos
5x vicious death
1x Molag kena

Duel weild when buffed is 3700 spell damage and 1550 Magika regen.

Blew up some smaller groups with help of my own group but lacking the cloak, gap closer, soul tether stun, prox det of mag blade.

I was thinking about trying negate to stop heals. mines and prox det and bursting a single target. Could work.

I use the same gear set up as you. However im a vamp so i has batswarm. Additionally I have around 500 CP. Blows newbs up to oblivion. The problem is, if you fail, you're dead. Also, VD tanks your 1v1 or small scale potential. Prepare to get 1 shot as well occasionally if you position yourself wrong due to camo hunter nonsense. Personally I throw VD on during prime time when zergs are abundant. Thats when small scale likely dosent ever happen so VD as a sorc is very, very possible albeit a bit less effective compared to the bomblade.

s7732425ub17_ESO · March 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Theres a few sustain builds around as well.

Mine won't use VD, at least no initially i'll have to see, but it should have around

46% crit - Guarantee crit from cloak though
25k hp
13.5k stamina
41k Max magicka
Around 2.9k un buffed spell dmg - Not pot up/ no major sorcery.

And around 2k regen as i'm a breton.

Still with the alch proc, i should get around 4k spell dmg, still have 41k magicka, high crit dmg and decent crit chance. While still being able to fight for more than 15s.

These are bullcrap numbers. Prove it by posting the setup (which you can't). Stop leading other players astray.

Flaminir · March 2016

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Theres a few sustain builds around as well.

Mine won't use VD, at least no initially i'll have to see, but it should have around

46% crit - Guarantee crit from cloak though
25k hp
13.5k stamina
41k Max magicka
Around 2.9k un buffed spell dmg - Not pot up/ no major sorcery.

And around 2k regen as i'm a breton.

Still with the alch proc, i should get around 4k spell dmg, still have 41k magicka, high crit dmg and decent crit chance. While still being able to fight for more than 15s.

These are bullcrap numbers. Prove it by posting the setup (which you can't). Stop leading other players astray.

Actually those figures sound very achievable... so you may want to ask somebody how they did it before you start being aggressive & telling them they are leading others astray etc!

I have a PvP build on my sorc which gives very similar figures: 40k Magicka, 24k Health, 13k Stam, 3k unbuffed spell damage (On my main DW bar) and about 1.9k magicka regen.

As an FYI the gear is 5 seducer, 4 magnus, dual wield main bar, resto back, willpower arcane jewels all with spell damage enchants. Everything gold of course.....

leepalmer95 · March 2016

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Theres a few sustain builds around as well.

Mine won't use VD, at least no initially i'll have to see, but it should have around

46% crit - Guarantee crit from cloak though
25k hp
13.5k stamina
41k Max magicka
Around 2.9k un buffed spell dmg - Not pot up/ no major sorcery.

And around 2k regen as i'm a breton.

Still with the alch proc, i should get around 4k spell dmg, still have 41k magicka, high crit dmg and decent crit chance. While still being able to fight for more than 15s.

These are bullcrap numbers. Prove it by posting the setup (which you can't). Stop leading other players astray.

Well it's currently on 41k magicka, 13.5k stamina, 2.6k spell dmg, 23.5k hp, 1900 recovery, 46% crit and thats without any undaunted, i'm wearing 5/1/1 in preparation for when i eventually get it.

The numbers are very achievable.

Sirvandal · March 2016

Thank you all for your replies. :O)

My mag build set up for now is more fun imo then the VD set. Though VD with julianos and the Molag is pretty tempting to try out. I was totaly focused on the willpower juwels and forgot about the VD juwels. :OP

aLi3nZ · March 2016

Vangy wrote: »

aLi3nZ wrote: »

I need advice on blowing people up as Magika sourc. Used with limited success. Just got the set last night. I think will work better in ic because cyrodil groups keep spamming heals while in ic it's easier to gank.

5x julianos
5x vicious death
1x Molag kena

Duel weild when buffed is 3700 spell damage and 1550 Magika regen.

Blew up some smaller groups with help of my own group but lacking the cloak, gap closer, soul tether stun, prox det of mag blade.

I was thinking about trying negate to stop heals. mines and prox det and bursting a single target. Could work.

I use the same gear set up as you. However im a vamp so i has batswarm. Additionally I have around 500 CP. Blows newbs up to oblivion. The problem is, if you fail, you're dead. Also, VD tanks your 1v1 or small scale potential. Prepare to get 1 shot as well occasionally if you position yourself wrong due to camo hunter nonsense. Personally I throw VD on during prime time when zergs are abundant. Thats when small scale likely dosent ever happen so VD as a sorc is very, very possible albeit a bit less effective compared to the bomblade.

thanks very much. After your post, I turned vamp and already got vamp to rank 10 and morph of bat swarm. I can actually go duel wield and 2x Molag kena if I wanted. Maybe couls try that but so hard to give up either destro or restro as they are both so useful. I did come across a couple players that got me with dawn breaker and camo hunter already, that hurts a bit but been a lot of fun. It's cool vamp gives better Mag regen with the passive. I am up to around 1650 regen now running that gear which is pretty decent.

bowmanz607 · March 2016

I like it. I am still able to 1v x and 1v1 with it. I don't run concealed weapon though. I run swallow siul. Obviously get massive hot from it. But it also cost less than my magic regen. So I am able to sustain in longer fights.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · March 2016

Sypher is a great player and is even better and making builds that fit his playstyle. This is one of the glassiest things I have seen him make. People like sypher that are so good at 1vX are absolute masters of resource management. A build like this I am sure tests even his limits at times. If you think you can pull it off, then by all means go for it. I will tell you that this is certainly a FOTM build, and I see a lot of people failing miserably at this. You will certainly hit hard, but when you miss (and you will miss) will you be able to do anything about it? I have killed a lot of NBs that try to burst and fail in the last few days with litter more than puncturing sweep on my Templar or a few whips on my DK.

For me personally, I went with a little more balance, but not going to lie, I am toying with the idea of making an alchemist set myself. I have been running VD x5, magnus x4, willpower x3 on my DW bar. On my back bar I run Maelstrom Resto, but a 5th piece of magnus is an easy substitute. This build, like Sypher's, is nice because you dont need VD jewelry which is way more $$ than Willpower at this point. Unlike Syphers, I think it has more balance for those of us that arent perfect at managing resources. This has worked really well on both a Magic DK and a Templar, and no reason it wouldnt work on a Magic NB. I get over 3k spell damage, about 38k magic 24K health and 14k stam with tri food, and about 1800 magic regen when buffed which seems to be more than enough. I dont run a magic regen on my jewelry, but I do run 7 divines with attronach mundus.

d3nbark3r · March 2016

I would say no don't use it.

Why? Because you sound like a player that has some kind of degree of skill, and what you describe takes no skill.

Cloak. Lotus fan. Spam Sap essence. Prox det explodes. Soul tether.

My nan could likely do that.

Yes you will get lots of kills.

Yes even against people in 1 vs 1 or 1 vs 2 situations you will have enough instant burst damage to win .....

But.

You have no sustain. Most of these guys are running 800-1200 recovery, if you get marked by a good stam night blade, you will die.

Also..... from trying this myself just for the laughs... it gets very boring after about an hour or two of play.

The alchemy set is decent, mix some recov jewellery glyths for sustain for the lack of recov you receive.

Aim for about 35k+ max magika with max tri food, 2.6k - 3k spell dmg(not buffed by alchemist set), and 1.5k recov, and you will have a very good, sustainable magika NB build.

Beastnas · March 2016

I run a build somewhat similar to this. When it works, it works hilariously well:

That said, it's extremely situational and you have to look for key opportunities all the time.
Say goodbye to smaller fights against competent players. I had all the gear from rewards for the worthy so I thought I'd try it out, but I don't think I'd invest in it heavily for a long term build.

leepalmer95 · March 2016

Beastnas wrote: »

I run a build somewhat similar to this. When it works, it works hilariously well:

That said, it's extremely situational and you have to look for key opportunities all the time.
Say goodbye to smaller fights against competent players. I had all the gear from rewards for the worthy so I thought I'd try it out, but I don't think I'd invest in it heavily for a long term build.

18k alliance points huh.

leepalmer95 · March 2016

d3nbark3r wrote: »

I would say no don't use it.

Why? Because you sound like a player that has some kind of degree of skill, and what you describe takes no skill.

Cloak. Lotus fan. Spam Sap essence. Prox det explodes. Soul tether.

My nan could likely do that.

Yes you will get lots of kills.

Yes even against people in 1 vs 1 or 1 vs 2 situations you will have enough instant burst damage to win .....

But.

You have no sustain. Most of these guys are running 800-1200 recovery, if you get marked by a good stam night blade, you will die.

Also..... from trying this myself just for the laughs... it gets very boring after about an hour or two of play.

The alchemy set is decent, mix some recov jewellery glyths for sustain for the lack of recov you receive.

Aim for about 35k+ max magika with max tri food, 2.6k - 3k spell dmg(not buffed by alchemist set), and 1.5k recov, and you will have a very good, sustainable magika NB build.

1.5k recovery is not enough sustain for a dual wield nb... at all, min 2k but i'd prefer around 2.3k.

bowmanz607 · March 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

d3nbark3r wrote: »

I would say no don't use it.

Why? Because you sound like a player that has some kind of degree of skill, and what you describe takes no skill.

Cloak. Lotus fan. Spam Sap essence. Prox det explodes. Soul tether.

My nan could likely do that.

Yes you will get lots of kills.

Yes even against people in 1 vs 1 or 1 vs 2 situations you will have enough instant burst damage to win .....

But.

You have no sustain. Most of these guys are running 800-1200 recovery, if you get marked by a good stam night blade, you will die.

Also..... from trying this myself just for the laughs... it gets very boring after about an hour or two of play.

The alchemy set is decent, mix some recov jewellery glyths for sustain for the lack of recov you receive.

Aim for about 35k+ max magika with max tri food, 2.6k - 3k spell dmg(not buffed by alchemist set), and 1.5k recov, and you will have a very good, sustainable magika NB build.

1.5k recovery is not enough sustain for a dual wield nb... at all, min 2k but i'd prefer around 2.3k.

I disagree. If you know how to manage your resources then 1200 is just fine. I personally prefer more. But 1200 mag recovery is completely viable even for sustain fights if played properlly. 1500 is define try a reasonable number. Ofcourse, a low regeneration build will usually require you to run strife over concealed. Personally, I think swallow soul is the superior skill anyway.

All that said, vicious death is a great set to use even if you don't spec into a suicide bomber. It is a good 4 pc set with 5pc trait that is better than most mag 5pc for pvp situations outside of 1v1. So for duels no. For open world, it could be the matter of life and death when in 1vx. It also still synergies well with proxy and aoe without wing a bomb spec.

Overall op, even if bomb type is not what you care for, vd is still a great set to get your hands on.

Chori · March 2016

Keep balling up and it's even better for the people like us who like running similar if not the same setup. Because you know, balling up and being protected by aoe caps is skillful

Makkir · March 2016

aLi3nZ wrote: »

I need advice on blowing people up as Magika sourc. Used with limited success. Just got the set last night. I think will work better in ic because cyrodil groups keep spamming heals while in ic it's easier to gank.

5x julianos
5x vicious death
1x Molag kena

Duel weild when buffed is 3700 spell damage and 1550 Magika regen.

Blew up some smaller groups with help of my own group but lacking the cloak, gap closer, soul tether stun, prox det of mag blade.

I was thinking about trying negate to stop heals. mines and prox det and bursting a single target. Could work.

I am actually running VD and Alchemist on my magicka sorc. I will pop proxy, Streak into the blob and time it with Dawnbreaker.

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. As someone pointed out previously though, you want to use Immovable pots.

leepalmer95 · March 2016

Makkir wrote: »

aLi3nZ wrote: »

I need advice on blowing people up as Magika sourc. Used with limited success. Just got the set last night. I think will work better in ic because cyrodil groups keep spamming heals while in ic it's easier to gank.

5x julianos
5x vicious death
1x Molag kena

Duel weild when buffed is 3700 spell damage and 1550 Magika regen.

Blew up some smaller groups with help of my own group but lacking the cloak, gap closer, soul tether stun, prox det of mag blade.

I was thinking about trying negate to stop heals. mines and prox det and bursting a single target. Could work.

I am actually running VD and Alchemist on my magicka sorc. I will pop proxy, Streak into the blob and time it with Dawnbreaker.

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. As someone pointed out previously though, you want to use Immovable pots.

Currently i've got 26k hp, 37k magicka, 3500 Buffed spell dmg, 2k regen

Not including alch proc ofc

LBxFinalDeath · March 2016

If you gank?

Nope.

If you wanna jump into a 10+ man squad, yes.

I'd wager a good julianos and magnus Magblade would beat a vicious death/alchemist build magblade in gank potential while the former would most certainly get you shredded by the 10 man squad while the vicious death magblade build would give you a chance at victory if everything goes right.

MrTarkanian48 · March 2016

I plan on making a purple set of gear with Alchemist, and VD (only weapons gold) just to have fun with occasionally, and keep in my inventory. The tooltip values aren't that far off (628 SD purple vs 661 SD gold).

I wouldn't invest a full set worth of gold mats though, and I could see the playstyle getting old/boring pretty fast.

a1i3nz · March 2016

So if you proc Alchemist on your back bar do you lose the effect when you swap to main or does the spell damage add on top of my Julianos?

leepalmer95 · March 2016

a1i3n0ct0pu5 wrote: »

So if you proc Alchemist on your back bar do you lose the effect when you swap to main or does the spell damage add on top of my Julianos?

It adds, hence why it's popular.