High level players in lower level zones ruin the game.

starkerealm · March 2016

Nestor wrote: »

If I am on a a VR16 and I come across a dolmen in the leveling zones, I take it on. If there are other players there or they show up during it, I just kill one or two trash mobs, and get a hit or two in on the Generals and let them have the rest. I have FG at 10, I don't need to kill any more Daedra, but I need my Dolmen Count and some Generals and I am going to get them. But not at the expense of other players experience.

I've been known to thin out the swarm on low level dolmens when I see a player struggling to complete it alone. Usually just stand back and plug some light attack arrows into things.

SirAndy · March 2016

NateAssassin wrote: »

How am I supposed to get my Daedric Lord Slayer achievement if lowbies are going to rage if I try and clear a dolmen in a specific area for specific bosses? I guess I have to grind Lagrodiil so the little guys don't get upset.

Your sig is funny because after all this time as an "elite" player, you still don't know that you don't have to "clear" a dolmen at all for the Slayer achievement.

You only need to poke the general ...

starkerealm · March 2016

NateAssassin wrote: »

How am I supposed to get my Daedric Lord Slayer achievement if lowbies are going to rage if I try and clear a dolmen in a specific area for specific bosses? I guess I have to grind Lagrodiil so the little guys don't get upset.

Bouncing between dolmen at 2am is usually a pretty good solution.

SeptimusDova · March 2016

it took me 400 dolmens to get Nomeg Haga. On the low level dolmens I would heal or rez the players. And throw a debuff on the world boss/general. Now that I have all generals I ignore the dolmens.

Seraseth · March 2016

That's just a matter of basic courtesy. If lower levels are trying to do the dolmen, just tag something with a light attack for credit, or help them with heals/kills if they need help.

If no one is there or shows up, go ahead and blast it.

DHale · March 2016

I will do low level dolmens as a vr 16 but only to get the generals which are random. Use light Attacks all you got to do is touch them. Get the credit don't screw the lowbie's challenge.

LadyNalcarya · March 2016

There's a few reasons to kill mobs in low lvl zone. First is getting ultimate on low lvl undead (especially for sorcs). Second is dolmen-related, as it was mentioned before. Dolmens in veteran zones and Cyro have a chance of dropping a random boss, so if you're missing 1 or 2 from the list of generals, its easier to farm them in respective low-lvl zones.

siddique · March 2016

I sometimes go and help lower level people finish dolmens. You get a ton of XP when you destroy the final pinion even if you barely kill an enemy.

altemriel · March 2016

I totally understand your point and concern, but you know, I just love the dolmens, I am VR10 now and even if I am in a lower level zone, when I hear the sound of opening a dolmen, I amost always run there. sorry for that. but as some people wrote here, they respawn pretty fast, so if they are crowded, just wait few minutes for the next run

Danksta · March 2016

There are some people who are considerate. I was clearing a dolmen about a week ago and a VR16 came by and pretty much watched, then helped a little at the end. I was actually grateful too as I was soloing it on my healer that have haven't applied any CPs to. He helped just as things started to get a little hairy and no more. I was mostly grateful for him not taking away my challenge. This is also exactly what I do on my VR character. Even if I had no plans to stop at a dolmen but there's a player or two doing one I tend to stick around to see if they need any assistance.

I had a similar thing happen this weekend in a delve. A VR16 player got to the boss just before I did. He easily could've one shot him, but he let me take him on and just took the finishing blow.

I guess I'm just trying to say some people are inconsiderate, or maybe even oblivious. But more times than not I've found it to be the opposite.

Loralai_907 · March 2016

I think that is what it comes down to. Considerate players, and the ones that act like 12 year olds. It doesn't even matter what it is about. Dolmens, chest or node stealing, other acts of jerkery. All the same. Be a decent human being, it really isn't complicated.

dodgehopper_ESO · March 2016

Oldmanlawlor wrote: »

There are in game achievements for completing all dolems.

As dolems respawn very quickly, you really have no reason to complain. Just go back to it in ten minutes, or, be greatful for the quick clear. The XP is a handful of individual mobs is nothing on the XP you get for that high level player killing the Dolmen. That player would also get no chest, but you would.

So... Yeah...

This is the exact problem. Most of us don't want to have to go back and do low level dolmens, but usually if you see someone V16 doing that it is because they are trying to pick up an achievement that there really isn't any other way to acquire. Not reasonably anyway. It would be nice if all zones were scaled though, thereby making it easier for cross-level players to interact more smoothly. The problem isn't your fellow player in other words.

starkerealm · March 2016

SeptimusDova wrote: »

it took me 400 dolmens to get Nomeg Haga. On the low level dolmens I would heal or rez the players. And throw a debuff on the world boss/general. Now that I have all generals I ignore the dolmens.

That shouldn't have happened. It took me less than 200 dolmens to finish the slayer achievement.

You are remembering that the generals are banded into the second through fifth non-vet zones. So, if you're looking for one general, you can farm a specific zone for them? Nomeg Haga will reliably spawn in your fourth (non-vet) zone (so, Malabal Tor, Alik'r, or Eastmarch) and will never spawn in another non-vet zone.

SeptimusDova · March 2016

@Starkerealm I got nomeg in the vet zone of Alik'r It never spawned for me in any other zone.I haz is the worst rng

SirAndy · March 2016

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

The problem isn't your fellow player in other words.

I beg to differ. Many VR players manage to get the achievements without being total ***.
The rest are indeed "the problem".

There is absolutely *no* need to be an ass to your your fellow low level players ...

starkerealm · March 2016

SeptimusDova wrote: »

@Starkerealm I got nomeg in the vet zone of Alik'r It never spawned for me in any other zone.I haz is the worst rng

Yeah, farming for specific Daedric Generals in vet is a painful route to go. All vet Dolmens (including the Cyrodiil ones) can spawn any of the Generals. So you're rolling the dice for even getting a General (which is something like a 20%-25% chance, though I forget the exact rate) then hoping you get the right one.

In the appropriate non-vet zone, you have a 25% chance of getting the one you want. In a Vet zone you've got a 6.25% chance (I think, I'm doing the math in my head) that when a general spawns, it's the one you want.

If you'd just bounced dolmen to dolmen in non-vet, the downtime for the dolmens should just about sync to the travel and kill times. Doing that, you're looking at (at most) a couple hours farming to finish off a general you need.

dodgehopper_ESO · March 2016

SirAndy wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

The problem isn't your fellow player in other words.

I beg to differ. Many VR players manage to get the achievements without being total ***.
The rest are indeed "the problem".

There is absolutely *no* need to be an ass to your your fellow low level players ...

Where is the problem? I have bosses that refuse to spawn on one of my characters, and I cycle through every dolmen every zone. I've also gone around the Cyrodiil ring so many times that I've had to sell quite a few Coldharbor Ballistae. Perhaps its just bad RNG for me but the simple fact is that I'm having some difficulty finishing certain achievements on certain bosses for certain characters. I doubt I'm the only one, and I certainly don't 'mistreat' people while doing it. I hate having to go into these zones, and honestly they just need to make all zones scaled content so everyone can play with everyone. THAT would be a great change for the game. In fact it would solve some of those early complaints from Beta/Release about teaming issues in ESO. The point I'm making is people need to lighten up, I'm pretty certain a lot of those high level guys aren't trying to be jerks. I'm certainly not. In fact it is usually the reverse where I've nearly finished a dolmen and some newbie runs up and gets to open a chest. I have no problem with that, good on him. He should be happy if I'm lucky enough to have the boss I need show up.

starkerealm · March 2016

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

The problem isn't your fellow player in other words.

I beg to differ. Many VR players manage to get the achievements without being total ***.
The rest are indeed "the problem".

There is absolutely *no* need to be an ass to your your fellow low level players ...

Where is the problem? I have bosses that refuse to spawn on one of my characters, and I cycle through every dolmen every zone.

Which bosses are you missing, and which alliance is your character in?

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

I've also gone around the Cyrodiil ring so many times that I've had to sell quite a few Coldharbor Ballistae.

Yeah, don't farm for the generals in Cyrodiil. They can spawn there, but if you're finishing off the checklist, it's not a good option.

dodgehopper_ESO · March 2016

starkerealm wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

The problem isn't your fellow player in other words.

I beg to differ. Many VR players manage to get the achievements without being total ***.
The rest are indeed "the problem".

There is absolutely *no* need to be an ass to your your fellow low level players ...

Where is the problem? I have bosses that refuse to spawn on one of my characters, and I cycle through every dolmen every zone.

Which bosses are you missing, and which alliance is your character in?

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

I've also gone around the Cyrodiil ring so many times that I've had to sell quite a few Coldharbor Ballistae.

Yeah, don't farm for the generals in Cyrodiil. They can spawn there, but if you're finishing off the checklist, it's a good option.

I know the generals in Cyrodiil are completely random (I always get the ones I don't need) but usually I just go there to bait pvp or pick up some ballista/trebs. Its really just a diversion. The character I like doing Achievements on is AD faction and I've followed the guides in the past (bear in mind I haven't messed with this in the last six months - just don't have the time). My statements are really just made so the OP realizes a lot of these guys don't mean badly by what they're doing. Once they get their Achievement I'm pretty sure there's no reason for a high level guy to be cycling through those dolmens. In other words its neither personal nor hostile.

starkerealm · March 2016

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

I know the generals in Cyrodiil are completely random (I always get the ones I don't need) but usually I just go there to bait pvp or pick up some ballista/trebs. Its really just a diversion. The character I like doing Achievements on is AD faction and I've followed the guides in the past (bear in mind I haven't messed with this in the last six months - just don't have the time). My statements are really just made so the OP realizes a lot of these guys don't mean badly by what they're doing. Once they get their Achievement I'm pretty sure there's no reason for a high level guy to be cycling through those dolmens. In other words its neither personal nor hostile.

Fair enough. It's just that generals are one of those parts of the game that most people really don't have a handle on. Leading to people farming dolmens that cannot spawn a general endlessly.

Also, usually, when someone says, "I'm missing Generals," and "Cyrodiil," in the same post, it's a sign they never learned how the generals spawn.

SirAndy · March 2016

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Where is the problem?

If you're hunting for generals, you only need to poke the general. There is absolutely zero need for you to "clear" the dolmen if low level players are around.

You can sit back and maybe throw in a heal or two until the boss shows up. If it's a general you were waiting for, go for it.

BlackguardBob · March 2016

Well since I got the Daedric Lord Slayer achievement after 9 months of trying, you won't be seeing me doing this as often.

But to be fair, a VR16 has the same right to a dolmen as any body else.

In my case, I very often take on dolmens myself and find lower level players joining in at the very last moment and claiming the dolmen and collecting the reward.

If I see other lower level players join in I back off and take no further part. I understand how you feel & I won't spoil your fun even if I got to the dolmen first.

But this can result in these players dying because they only joined in because I was there. They were hanging onto my coat tails. In which case I have to finish off the dolmen I started.

I have alts who are trying to discover and defeat dolmens so I know the frustration when VR16 Saviour Of Nirn types and Maelstorm Arena Champs dominate a dolmen to the exclusion of all else.

We are all trying to play ESO our way with other players also present, so a little common courtesy from both sides of the argument will go a long way towards tolerance.

SeptimusDova · March 2016

@starkerealm. noted for future reference. I hated that malabal tor swim anyway

oh and i learned plenty from cyrodiil dolmens. Like when a general spawns he summons either EP or DC followers.

imredneckson · March 2016

Xilc wrote: »

So I was trying to complete a dolmen earlier in Deshaan with a few other players my level (15). Unfortunately, a high level VR 16 comes up and starts AOEing everything. We managed to strike a few of them, and get some XP, but the VR16 pretty much ruined it. It's impossible to run around a dolmen and even hit the enemy if you don't have a bow before the VR16 kills them...

Short and sweet, high level players ruin the game when they come into low level zones and steal everything. They literally gain no xp from killing lvl 15 monsters. With that being said, I think something should be done about it. When you're in the area, I think players should automatically be grandfathered into a group (like a dolmen). This way, if you have some annoying vet character killing everything, everyone at least gets xp for trying to assist, even though they steal it.

As it is now, it's really not fair. 9/10 times I go to a dolmen there is a vet char stealing everything. It makes me not want to even try to make an effort. Why would I run around like a chicken with its head cut off just to get there as the VR16 instakills the mobs?

I did this earlier to farm the Daedric generals to get the achievement. One zone at a time and within a few days of doing this I got the achievement.

Nestor · March 2016

starkerealm wrote: »

SeptimusDova wrote: »

@Starkerealm I got nomeg in the vet zone of Alik'r It never spawned for me in any other zone.I haz is the worst rng

Yeah, farming for specific Daedric Generals in vet is a painful route to go. All vet Dolmens (including the Cyrodiil ones) can spawn any of the Generals. So you're rolling the dice for even getting a General (which is something like a 20%-25% chance, though I forget the exact rate) then hoping you get the right one.

In the appropriate non-vet zone, you have a 25% chance of getting the one you want. In a Vet zone you've got a 6.25% chance (I think, I'm doing the math in my head) that when a general spawns, it's the one you want.

If you'd just bounced dolmen to dolmen in non-vet, the downtime for the dolmens should just about sync to the travel and kill times. Doing that, you're looking at (at most) a couple hours farming to finish off a general you need.

No, I have the worst RNG. One of my characters, who has been around since a month after launch in 2014 needs two Generals from Zone 2. Can't get them to spawn ever. I take my brand new Templar into Zone 2 and the first dolmen she hits has the general I need. Then, 3 dolmens later, I get the other one I need, only not on her. Then, I finally decide to level up one of my mules who has been sitting at L10 for a year running hirelings. Guess what, he gets all 4 Zone 2 Generals in 5 dolmens. I quickly log to my VR16 who needs them, and 20 dolmens later, still need the two generals.

I win at the RNG Pity Party

NovaShadow · March 2016

I've done this when I wanted the dolmen achievements.

I'd farm the 3 dolmens in certain zones for certain bosses and once I had those 4 ticked off I'd move to the next zone.

You can't tell them to stop as the non-vet zones are the only ones guaranteed with specific boss spawns.

The Azure Plas thing is only new. When I did it right before TG I'd tag the bosses if they appeared and let the lowbies clear the thing if I wasn't alone.

SeptimusDova · March 2016

yes you do I got mine. Which ones you need Nestor?

SirAndy · March 2016

Nestor wrote: »

I win at the RNG Pity Party

SeptimusDova · March 2016

Andy do you write those gif's on the fly?

Nestor · March 2016

SeptimusDova wrote: »

yes you do I got mine. Which ones you need Nestor?

I will have to check.