You'll definitely want streak.
Inner light is better off on your back bar imo, since sorc already has a lot of burst/pressure damage the magika bonus increasing the size of your hardened ward.
@Mythk best sorc NA, maybe we can summon him here to help you
What I run on my v16 sorcerer(392 CP):
GEAR: (Infused on large pieces, impenetrable on small)
- 5 Kag's Hope
- 2 Torug's Pact
- 1 Kena
- 3 Willpower Jewelry(1 spell damage, 2 recovery glyphs)
SKILLS:
- Front Bar(Destro Staff)
- Entropy
- Velocious Curse
- Crystal Fragments
- Crushing Shock
- Inevitable Detonation
- ULTIMATE: Dawnbreaker of Smiting
- Back Bar(Resto Staff)
- Daedric Minefield
- Harness Magicka
- Healing Ward
- Hardened Ward
- Streak
- ULTIMATE: Ice Comet
FriedEggSandwich wrote: »I run an almost exlusively sorc skill build:
Bar 1 - Nirnhoned fire staff
Curse
Mages Wrath
Crystal Frags
Power Surge
Streak
Atronach
Bar 2 - Precise resto staff
Defensive Rune
Blessing of Restoration
Mines (just switched to the new ranged morph)
Boundless Storm
Hardened Ward
Overload (just for utility bar)
.
I'll share my current build, though I do not claim to be good at pvp by any means.
5 julianos
3 vicious death
3 willpower, all spell power
Fire destro
Crystal Frag
Force pulse
Velocious curse
Twilight matriarch
Hardened ward
Lightning destro (I use destro aoes on this bar in pve, could switch it out for dual wield)
Power Surge
Shattering prison
Flex (rapids for travel, Inner Light or w/e)
Twilight matriarch
Boundless storm
The_Patriarch wrote: »FriedEggSandwich wrote: »I run an almost exlusively sorc skill build:
Bar 1 - Nirnhoned fire staff
Curse
Mages Wrath
Crystal Frags
Power Surge
Streak
Atronach
Bar 2 - Precise resto staff
Defensive Rune
Blessing of Restoration
Mines (just switched to the new ranged morph)
Boundless Storm
Hardened Ward
Overload (just for utility bar)
.
I notice that you didn;t use Force Pulse/Crushing Shock on Bar 1. With your loadout, did you find that Crystal Frags proccs often enough to do without it?
FriedEggSandwich wrote: »The_Patriarch wrote: »FriedEggSandwich wrote: »I run an almost exlusively sorc skill build:
Bar 1 - Nirnhoned fire staff
Curse
Mages Wrath
Crystal Frags
Power Surge
Streak
Atronach
Bar 2 - Precise resto staff
Defensive Rune
Blessing of Restoration
Mines (just switched to the new ranged morph)
Boundless Storm
Hardened Ward
Overload (just for utility bar)
.
I notice that you didn;t use Force Pulse/Crushing Shock on Bar 1. With your loadout, did you find that Crystal Frags proccs often enough to do without it?
Yeah I use Mages Wrath as my dps filler instead, but it's not often I need to cast wrath just for a frag proc, usually it procs from other spells in the rotation. It's a weaving rotation so; heavy attack -> curse -> heavy attack -> frags if proc'd -> heavy attack -> wrath -> heavy attack -> curse -> heavy attack -> streak -> heavy attack -> surge etc. Any of the spells in the rotation can proc frags, and surge can do it while stealthed. So if I need to proc frags in stealth for whatever reason I just spam surge until it procs. Using Mages Wrath as a dps filler can end up finishing fights early quite often. You get 4 seconds from casting wrath to take them below 25% then they explode
I've never liked using crushing shock in pvp, back in 1.5 and earlier it was scrub meta to spam it so I avoided it and learnt to live without it. Using all sorc skills on my offensive bar maximises the Expert Mage passive so I get a 12% boost to spell damage. Even though I carry staves my spell damage is 3k buffed.
The only drawback to it is sometimes you feel like people are looking at you weird for using wrath mid fight, especially if I'm getting unlucky with a frag proc and need to use wrath more than once to proc it. Then they explode prematurely and you feel vindicated
Edit: for pve I do switch out mages wrath for crushing shock, wrath as a dps filler is just a pvp thing.
FriedEggSandwich wrote: »The_Patriarch wrote: »FriedEggSandwich wrote: »I run an almost exlusively sorc skill build:
Bar 1 - Nirnhoned fire staff
Curse
Mages Wrath
Crystal Frags
Power Surge
Streak
Atronach
Bar 2 - Precise resto staff
Defensive Rune
Blessing of Restoration
Mines (just switched to the new ranged morph)
Boundless Storm
Hardened Ward
Overload (just for utility bar)
.
I notice that you didn;t use Force Pulse/Crushing Shock on Bar 1. With your loadout, did you find that Crystal Frags proccs often enough to do without it?
Sorry to bug you with questions. Did you find that Blessing of Resto was enough healing without Healing Ward?
The_Patriarch wrote: »My mag sorc is almost V4 with 102CP. I've been mainly doing PvE, but want to start PvP (Lag issues aside). I could use some advice on a decent build. How does this sound (I don't have Magicka Det yet):
Bar 1 Destro: Crystal Frags, Force Pulse, Velocious Curse, Mage's Fury, Inner Light
Bar 2 Resto: Healing Ward, Hardened Ward, Harness Magicka, Daedric Minefield, Power Surge
This build doesn't seem right to me for some reason. Should I add Streak/Ball of Lightning and/or Defensive Rune? I was also thinking about Bar 1 DW with Trapping webs as my spam.
Also, what would be a good rotation? Thanks in advance.
Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »The_Patriarch wrote: »My mag sorc is almost V4 with 102CP. I've been mainly doing PvE, but want to start PvP (Lag issues aside). I could use some advice on a decent build. How does this sound (I don't have Magicka Det yet):
Bar 1 Destro: Crystal Frags, Force Pulse, Velocious Curse, Mage's Fury, Inner Light
Bar 2 Resto: Healing Ward, Hardened Ward, Harness Magicka, Daedric Minefield, Power Surge
This build doesn't seem right to me for some reason. Should I add Streak/Ball of Lightning and/or Defensive Rune? I was also thinking about Bar 1 DW with Trapping webs as my spam.
Also, what would be a good rotation? Thanks in advance.
you definitely want streak. and DW is over rated imo. stick with staff.
now ive only had the TG update for 1 day, but im using the following skills:
bar 1 destro -
crushing shock
inner light
crystal frags
velocious curse
hardened ward
ult - overload
bar 2 - resto
streak
proxy det
power surge
healing ward
hardened ward
ult - shooting star
overload bar -
streak
inner light
frags
mages wrath
hardened ward
hardened ward on all bars provides high defense and at the same time quick offense. with it on same bar as frags, you can shield then proc frags, knockdown and reverse the fight quite often.
if im really taking burst dmg i go to resto bar and shield stack meteor then streak to avoid the opponent/s blocking. resets the fight immediately most the time.
hope you find something useful.
Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »I would use mines instead of prox det.
Crushing shock is pretty good but the difference between that and force pulse is not much. I use it because it doesnt do much less dmg than pulse and you get the occassional interrupt. It wont make or break your build to run one or the other. No emergency respec needed.
The_Patriarch wrote: »Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »I would use mines instead of prox det.
Crushing shock is pretty good but the difference between that and force pulse is not much. I use it because it doesnt do much less dmg than pulse and you get the occassional interrupt. It wont make or break your build to run one or the other. No emergency respec needed.
I was thinking Mines would be best as a substitute. Have you tried the new Daedric Tomb morph?
Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »The_Patriarch wrote: »Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »I would use mines instead of prox det.
Crushing shock is pretty good but the difference between that and force pulse is not much. I use it because it doesnt do much less dmg than pulse and you get the occassional interrupt. It wont make or break your build to run one or the other. No emergency respec needed.
I was thinking Mines would be best as a substitute. Have you tried the new Daedric Tomb morph?
No i havent.
If it requires to be set up like liquid lightning, i think it would be too hard to place correctly mid fight. I do want to try it out though. I used daedric tomb a few weeks ago just for the insta-cast aspect and it was nice (pre-tg).
The_Patriarch wrote: »What I run on my v16 sorcerer(392 CP):
GEAR: (Infused on large pieces, impenetrable on small)
- 5 Kag's Hope
- 2 Torug's Pact
- 1 Kena
- 3 Willpower Jewelry(1 spell damage, 2 recovery glyphs)
SKILLS:
- Front Bar(Destro Staff)
- Entropy
- Velocious Curse
- Crystal Fragments
- Crushing Shock
- Inevitable Detonation
- ULTIMATE: Dawnbreaker of Smiting
- Back Bar(Resto Staff)
- Daedric Minefield
- Harness Magicka
- Healing Ward
- Hardened Ward
- Streak
- ULTIMATE: Ice Comet
You prefer Entropy over Power Surge?
Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »I would use mines instead of prox det.
Crushing shock is pretty good but the difference between that and force pulse is not much. I use it because it doesnt do much less dmg than pulse and you get the occassional interrupt. It wont make or break your build to run one or the other. No emergency respec needed.
Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »I would use mines instead of prox det.
Crushing shock is pretty good but the difference between that and force pulse is not much. I use it because it doesnt do much less dmg than pulse and you get the occassional interrupt. It wont make or break your build to run one or the other. No emergency respec needed.
no, just no. prox det is superior to mines. If you can only fit one, prox det will give superior damage performance while offering superior area denial. The only advantage of mines is the root, which is a niche effect that's not worth losing the damage
Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »I would use mines instead of prox det.
Crushing shock is pretty good but the difference between that and force pulse is not much. I use it because it doesnt do much less dmg than pulse and you get the occassional interrupt. It wont make or break your build to run one or the other. No emergency respec needed.
no, just no. prox det is superior to mines. If you can only fit one, prox det will give superior damage performance while offering superior area denial. The only advantage of mines is the root, which is a niche effect that's not worth losing the damage
The_Patriarch wrote: »What I run on my v16 sorcerer(392 CP):
GEAR: (Infused on large pieces, impenetrable on small)
- 5 Kag's Hope
- 2 Torug's Pact
- 1 Kena
- 3 Willpower Jewelry(1 spell damage, 2 recovery glyphs)
SKILLS:
- Front Bar(Destro Staff)
- Entropy
- Velocious Curse
- Crystal Fragments
- Crushing Shock
- Inevitable Detonation
- ULTIMATE: Dawnbreaker of Smiting
- Back Bar(Resto Staff)
- Daedric Minefield
- Harness Magicka
- Healing Ward
- Hardened Ward
- Streak
- ULTIMATE: Ice Comet
You prefer Entropy over Power Surge?
I use entropy for not only the 20% more spell damage, but for the passive Might of the Guild, in the Mage's Guild skill line. So before I use a hard hitting ability like a proc'd frag or an ultimate, I use entropy to get the 20% empower buff. Power Surge only really has one pro against entropy, and that's that you can buff yourself freely when you want. Can also heal you on critical hits, but that's really not important since you rely on healing ward and shielding. Imo, getting a 20% empower buff for a proc'd frag or an ultimate like Dawnbreaker is more worth it.