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If ZOS disabled AoE in Cyrodiil and it fixed the lag would you still play?
Zyle
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Had a guildie ask this and was just wondering what other people thought.
Edited by Zyle on March 21, 2016 10:47PM 676 CP
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If ZOS disabled AoE in Cyrodiil and it fixed the lag would you still play? 189 votes
Yes
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123 votes
No
26%
51 votes
Unsure
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Zyle✭✭✭✭✭YesInteresting I thought it would at least get a no by now xD. I wish they could open a campaign with no AoE, but I doubt they're able to without a huge update.
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Zyle✭✭✭✭✭YesI should have made the poll private
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✭✭✭✭✭YesWithout a doubt. IMO, (from an AD POV) the kind of unorganized open field fights we sometimes see between Nikel and Ash and Sej and BRK are what most players seem to enjoy.
I see the server lag issue differently than most people. I do not see it as a technical problem. I see it as a game design problem. The game designers have designed gameplay the underlying technology cannot support. No matter how good (or bad) the underlying technology may be, game designers cannot exceed its limitations.
Changing the technology is difficult and expensive. Changing the gameplay is not.
This stems from the fact we play PVP with abilities designed for a 4-12 player instanced PVE console game. (hence radius/smart buffs and heals). Obviously ZOS has an ideological goal to maintain as much concurrency between PVE and PVP as possible. This approach is not viable and has never worked.
IMO, PVP needs its own distinct ruleset and abilities adapted to PVP gameplay.Edited by zyk on March 21, 2016 11:23PM3 -
kuro-dono✭✭✭✭YesPlayers getting too much power hence making aoe bombing trains. Obviously you want to improve your chance to win even if it makes it look ridiculous and laggy? Aoes gone, and oh man, i see lagg dropping all over the game, trials included.Edited by kuro-dono on March 21, 2016 11:23PM0
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Zyle✭✭✭✭✭YesWithout a doubt. IMO, (from an AD POV) the kind of unorganized open field fights we sometimes see between Nikel and Ash and Sej and BRK are what most players seem to enjoy.
I see the server lag issue differently than most people. I do not see it as a technical problem. I see it as a game design problem. The game designers have designed gameplay the underlying technology cannot support. No matter how good (or bad) the underlying technology may be, game designers cannot exceed its limitations.
Changing the technology is difficult and expensive. Changing the gameplay is not.
This stems from the fact we play PVP with abilities designed for a 4-12 player instanced PVE console game. (hence radius/smart buffs and heals). Obviously ZOS has an ideological goal to maintain as much concurrency between PVE and PVP as possible. This approach is not viable and has never worked. IMO, PVP needs its own distinct ruleset and abilities adapted to PVP gameplay.
That last paragraph 10/10. That is exactly, IMO, what needs to happen. A distinct ruleset and abilities would do wonders for PvP performance & balance.
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✭✭YesI play just cause it would take away zergs power. Stupid Vicious proxy det death spam.0 -
kuro-dono✭✭✭✭YesI been offering so many times good solution to this> friendlyfire, but so many ap farmer/small scaler whatever else they are called are so scared, i guess why they scared is that those so called zergers who were originally blamed for lagg are mostly using single targe skills which means, friendlyfire would not be affecting them too much. while aoe blobbers they actually have to learn to PVP not just gank> jump out of bush with deto, sap essence, and all those other nice skills blazing into blob to watch them all melt, since thats elite gaming in modern world> aoe spam.0
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Zyle✭✭✭✭✭YesI been offering so many times good solution to this> friendlyfire, but so many ap farmer/small scaler whatever else they are called are so scared, i guess why they scared is that those so called zergers who were originally blamed for lagg are mostly using single targe skills which means, friendlyfire would not be affecting them too much. while aoe blobbers they actually have to learn to PVP not just gank> jump out of bush with deto, sap essence, and all those other nice skills blazing into blob to watch them all melt, since thats elite gaming in modern world> aoe spam.
As appealing as it is that would unfortunately open so much griefing. I've always thought something funny ZOS could do on like April Fools is turn on friendly fire for just the day xD.
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kuro-dono✭✭✭✭YesI been offering so many times good solution to this> friendlyfire, but so many ap farmer/small scaler whatever else they are called are so scared, i guess why they scared is that those so called zergers who were originally blamed for lagg are mostly using single targe skills which means, friendlyfire would not be affecting them too much. while aoe blobbers they actually have to learn to PVP not just gank> jump out of bush with deto, sap essence, and all those other nice skills blazing into blob to watch them all melt, since thats elite gaming in modern world> aoe spam.
As appealing as it is that would unfortunately open so much griefing. I've always thought something funny ZOS could do on like April Fools is turn on friendly fire for just the day xD.
just give us vote kick/ban for it that is fool proof against enemy faction members, for example, person who play pvp in other factions too cant vote. something along those lines.
Players have too much power, that has to be drained out of them.0 -
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✭✭YesForestd16b14_ESO wrote: »I play just cause it would take away zergs power. Stupid Vicious proxy det death spam.
AoEs are what gives small groups power against the zergs. A zerg equipped with only single target spells would be impossible to kill with anything other than a LOT of siege because their single target pew pew will be greater than smaller groups'.5 -
MaximillianDiE✭✭✭✭NoForestd16b14_ESO wrote: »I play just cause it would take away zergs power. Stupid Vicious proxy det death spam.
AoEs are what gives small groups power against the zergs. A zerg equipped with only single target spells would be impossible to kill with anything other than a LOT of siege because their single target pew pew will be greater than smaller groups'.
You're dead right Kena. AOEs are the only thing small to medium groups have to take on much larger numbers. Take AOE out of the equation and assist trains won't work in this game as there isn't long enough cc in this game to be able to lock down the zergand kill them one by one. Removal of aoe caps is what's required as any decent player still left in this game and pretty much all the good ones who've gone before us will know.Maximillian Die Caesar - DC - [K-Hole] RetiredRetiredMaximillian AD [[DiE]3 -
AddictionX✭✭✭✭YesMake friendly AoEs friendly fire! I should be able to meteor my own faction!
As a matter of fact there should be the AWOL faction, or mercenary faction who is faction-less and just roaming around killing whatever they feel like.3 -
Forestd16b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭YesForestd16b14_ESO wrote: »I play just cause it would take away zergs power. Stupid Vicious proxy det death spam.
AoEs are what gives small groups power against the zergs. A zerg equipped with only single target spells would be impossible to kill with anything other than a LOT of siege because their single target pew pew will be greater than smaller groups'.
Hmm then why do zerg befit most form AOEs than the small and medium groups that they were apparently designed for then ? Because they simply have more ? Is that why? If that's the case take away AoEs stop zergs from having a power but oh wait that would ruin small groups.
See the endless cycle of stupidity that is PvP ? Buff small groups and zergs become even stronger nerf zergs and small groups are doomed to be powerless. That is ZOS problem here which ask me is a pretty tough one to solve.
And don't even i]bleep bleep[/i say remove AoE caps.4 -
DjSolJAH✭✭✭YesForestd16b14_ESO wrote: »Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »I play just cause it would take away zergs power. Stupid Vicious proxy det death spam.
AoEs are what gives small groups power against the zergs. A zerg equipped with only single target spells would be impossible to kill with anything other than a LOT of siege because their single target pew pew will be greater than smaller groups'.
Hmm then why do zerg befit most form AOEs than the small and medium groups that they were apparently designed for then ? Because they simply have more ? Is that why? If that's the case take away AoEs stop zergs from having a power but oh wait that would ruin small groups.
See the endless cycle of stupidity that is PvP ? Buff small groups and zergs become even stronger nerf zergs and small groups are doomed to be powerless. That is ZOS problem here which ask me is a pretty tough one to solve.
And don't even i]bleep bleep[/i say remove AoE caps.
Remove AoE caps
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✭NoNope. Lag or not, it would still be P2W garbage.
Besides, even if it worked (I do not see why though), ZOS would, as is their habit, break so many other things that players would cherish memories of The Lag and literally beg for its reintroduction.0 -
MaximillianDiE✭✭✭✭NoForestd16b14_ESO wrote: »Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »I play just cause it would take away zergs power. Stupid Vicious proxy det death spam.
AoEs are what gives small groups power against the zergs. A zerg equipped with only single target spells would be impossible to kill with anything other than a LOT of siege because their single target pew pew will be greater than smaller groups'.
Hmm then why do zerg befit most form AOEs than the small and medium groups that they were apparently designed for then ? Because they simply have more ? Is that why? If that's the case take away AoEs stop zergs from having a power but oh wait that would ruin small groups.
See the endless cycle of stupidity that is PvP ? Buff small groups and zergs become even stronger nerf zergs and small groups are doomed to be powerless. That is ZOS problem here which ask me is a pretty tough one to solve.
And don't even i]bleep bleep[/i say remove AoE caps.
Remove AoE caps
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Dyride✭✭✭✭✭NoMake AOE hit full damage and give back some amount of dynamic Ulti. Just not as strong as before (at least not based on Crits only).
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GeertKarel✭✭✭YesThe main issue if you disable aoe the healing can still be aoe and people take a lot less damage so there will be more people standing alive and causing more lag issues. But on the otherside if people focus more on one single target they will almost certainly die and can't be out healed if you had ppl in the back they can just ress instantly and im not sure how fun it would be.Server: EU Pact
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✭✭Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »I play just cause it would take away zergs power. Stupid Vicious proxy det death spam.
AoEs are what gives small groups power against the zergs. A zerg equipped with only single target spells would be impossible to kill with anything other than a LOT of siege because their single target pew pew will be greater than smaller groups'.
Hmm then why do zerg befit most form AOEs than the small and medium groups that they were apparently designed for then ? Because they simply have more ? Is that why? If that's the case take away AoEs stop zergs from having a power but oh wait that would ruin small groups.
See the endless cycle of stupidity that is PvP ? Buff small groups and zergs become even stronger nerf zergs and small groups are doomed to be powerless. That is ZOS problem here which ask me is a pretty tough one to solve.
And don't even i]bleep bleep[/i say remove AoE caps.
Remove AoE caps
This + dynamic ult
Edit: But ZOS doesn't want that for some reason
Edited by Master_Kas on March 22, 2016 2:33AMEU | PC0 -
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ThatGuyCameron✭✭✭YesProbably not for long though. I need AoEs to have a sliver of a chance against numbers as a solo playerEbonheart EU Xbox One0 -
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✭NoNo dawnbreaker, no lightning form, no soul tether, no jabs, no take flight, no nova, no barrier..... the list will go on and on. THIS IS MADNESS! Stop giving band aid solutions and get ZOS to fix the damn lag. Once lag is gone, then we will truly know if zergs are powerful or not. Now its just zergs cause so much lag and kill people in the lag/commotion. Once everyone can play properly with a safe ping, maybe small groups can kill off zerg bomblings.(2)V16 Dk- stam dps/stam tank/mag dps
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✭✭✭YesI'd even sub again. The only AOE the game should have in PvP are
- siege weapons
- caltrops
- and maybe something I forgot
Edit: and they have to make sure it does not hurt the PvE peasantsEdited by Knootewoot on March 22, 2016 5:34AM٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
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