Why do people script in pvp?

thebigfist · March 2016

Specifically some whole guilds? I want to understand why. It doesn't ruin the game? The players exploiting don't find pvp too easy when a script is doing most of the work?

Not complaining; keep doing you. ZoS won't stop you. I just want to know what the motivation behind it is. (incoming "scripts don't exist/you're a noob" rage ^^).

Mojmir · March 2016

easy and lazy, or at some point someone did the same to them.

FriedEggSandwich · March 2016

Why do people jump to the conclusion that scripting is something they see in pvp? I've seen plenty of /whisper to various people I know in game, myself included, and to twitch streamers etc making accusations of macro use when it's clear the accused don't use macros at all. This proves that false conclusions are regularly drawn about this issue. Not saying macros don't exist or don't get used, I'm saying how do you know they're being used against you? "I died to 5 attacks in 1 second" isn't good enough.

Nifty2g · March 2016

thebigfist wrote: »

Specifically some whole guilds? I want to understand why. It doesn't ruin the game? The players exploiting don't find pvp too easy when a script is doing most of the work?

Not complaining; keep doing you. ZoS won't stop you. I just want to know what the motivation behind it is. (incoming "scripts don't exist/you're a noob" rage ^^).

good luck trying to get a script to work in this lag

thebigfist · March 2016

Consistently, it maybe. But animation cancelling using macros is NOT against the rules. I don't use it regardless. You can achieve the same effect without use of 3rd party programs. Animation cancelling is the least annoying exploits out there though.

FriedEggSandwich · March 2016

thebigfist wrote: »

Consistently, it maybe. But animation cancelling using macros is NOT against the rules. I don't use it regardless. You can achieve the same effect without use of 3rd party programs. Animation cancelling is the least annoying exploits out there though.

Animation cancelling is not against the rules, macro use is. There's a big difference between the two though. Animation cancelling is timed by muscle memory not computer memory.

DisgracefulMind · March 2016

It's really not a thing in ESO. It's quite easy to quickly weave accurately and efficiently, and most experienced players know how to pull off animation cancelling through muscle memory. The games combat is too organic for scripting.

Also, animation cancelling is NOT an exploit and any player can learn it and use it.

RoamingRiverElk · March 2016

So interesting to see someone posting such accusations with nothing to back those statements up.

The gameplay is far too dynamic in pvp for scripts to work well. Anyone with a decent ping can learn to animation cancel. Abilities can occasionally appear to hit you at the same time because you had a lag spike that did not register between the ping queries the software makes.

And finally... different abilities have different travel times...

kuro-dono · March 2016

you guys ever tried blackwidow> putting on the macro buttons>>> skill+block? or skill+heavyattack+block?

lol how stupidly easy.

Another is> try healing spring and block, with my 5 bound keyboard in 1min spam, i do 30 healing spring, with black widow 45, why the difference you say?

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too bad not everyone can afford 250 bound keyboard.

RoamingRiverElk · March 2016

Doesn't healing springs adhere to the same global skill cooldown as other skills?

kuro-dono · March 2016

too bad not everyone can afford 250 bound keyboard.

RoamingRiverElk wrote: »

Doesn't healing springs adhere to the same global skill cooldown as other skills?

apparently not when i tried it twice to double check if lagg affected, but nope.

Game is so ful lof loopholes that get exploited by so called elite/ elitist / pros etc folks.

sadownik · March 2016

So strange to see people claiming macroing is not a thing in ESO. "Someone" was told what to do to get game easier. "Someone" made "oh ***" button that switched to second weapon bar cast 2 shields and a heal and return to the assault bar. "Someone" cant understand the denying of the macroing in ESO otherwise as defending the persons personal gain.

RoamingRiverElk · March 2016

sadownik wrote: »

So strange to see people claiming macroing is not a thing in ESO. "Someone" was told what to do to get game easier. "Someone" made "oh ***" button that switched to second weapon bar cast 2 shields and a heal and return to the assault bar. "Someone" cant understand the denying of the macroing in ESO otherwise as defending the persons personal gain.

I tend to think that someone who was using such an 'oh ***' button would not gain an advantage over me. That *is* due to an assumption I make, however, and that is that the time in which they can perform this combo is not significantly faster than any normal dueler's ability to activate such skills because skills cannot be activated faster than... whatever time it is... like one activation per second or so? I'm not sure how long it is exactly since I haven't tested. But my point remains.

I assume that the creator of such a macro would then also be stuck with the sequence until it has been completed, meaning that they could not react to any incoming attacks with a dodge roll while the script was running? That is a significant disadvantage compared to normal skilled nonmacro play which relies on reading the fight fast and accurately.

Casting shields, weapon swapping and healing is incredibly easy to do once you basically have any experience in playing the game. Why would one need a macro for that??? Anyone benefiting from such a macro, I would say, is just a complete beginner.

sadownik · March 2016

RoamingRiverElk wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

So strange to see people claiming macroing is not a thing in ESO. "Someone" was told what to do to get game easier. "Someone" made "oh ***" button that switched to second weapon bar cast 2 shields and a heal and return to the assault bar. "Someone" cant understand the denying of the macroing in ESO otherwise as defending the persons personal gain.

I tend to think that someone who was using such an 'oh ***' button would not gain an advantage over me. That *is* due to an assumption I make, however, and that is that the time in which they can perform this combo is not significantly faster than any normal dueler's ability to activate such skills because skills cannot be activated faster than... whatever time it is... like one activation per second or so? I'm not sure how long it is exactly since I haven't tested. But my point remains.

I assume that the creator of such a macro would then also be stuck with the sequence until it has been completed, meaning that they could not react to any incoming attacks with a dodge roll while the script was running? That is a significant disadvantage compared to normal skilled nonmacro play which relies on reading the fight fast and accurately.

Casting shields, weapon swapping and healing is incredibly easy to do once you basically have any experience in playing the game. Why would one need a macro for that??? Anyone benefiting from such a macro, I would say, is just a complete beginner.

You are a skilled player thats it. A player like me who is not so skilled gains a lot by having some of "oh sit" buttons.

Scamandros · March 2016

Cyrodil can be a pretty hectic and dynamic place, so it is always helpful to at least have major plot points of your roleplay scripted in advance to ensure story flow is maintained

vortexman11 · March 2016

Scamandros wrote: »

Cyrodil can be a pretty hectic and dynamic place, so it is always helpful to at least have major plot points of your roleplay scripted in advance to ensure story flow is maintained

Good to know Im not the only one who thought of this.

allen-iverson · March 2016

according to ep i am the biggest scripter that ever scripted a script

PrinceFabious · March 2016

Someone teach me to macro. Im tired of seeing stam builds automatically role dodge when I use HA from stealth

FriedEggSandwich · March 2016

PrinceFabious wrote: »

Someone teach me to macro. Im tired of seeing stam builds automatically role dodge I use HA from stealth

You're not serious, right? In case you are, just what makes you think dodge-roll is being activated automatically? You do realise this goes beyond the functionality of a script/macro? Anything that reads cues from the game is a hack not a macro, and therefore infinitely more difficult to pull off. Also roll-dodge is client-side, highest priority, so what you're probably seeing is roll-dodge working as well as all skills should.

FriedEggSandwich · March 2016

RoamingRiverElk wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

So strange to see people claiming macroing is not a thing in ESO. "Someone" was told what to do to get game easier. "Someone" made "oh ***" button that switched to second weapon bar cast 2 shields and a heal and return to the assault bar. "Someone" cant understand the denying of the macroing in ESO otherwise as defending the persons personal gain.

I tend to think that someone who was using such an 'oh ***' button would not gain an advantage over me. That *is* due to an assumption I make, however, and that is that the time in which they can perform this combo is not significantly faster than any normal dueler's ability to activate such skills because skills cannot be activated faster than... whatever time it is... like one activation per second or so? I'm not sure how long it is exactly since I haven't tested. But my point remains.

I assume that the creator of such a macro would then also be stuck with the sequence until it has been completed, meaning that they could not react to any incoming attacks with a dodge roll while the script was running? That is a significant disadvantage compared to normal skilled nonmacro play which relies on reading the fight fast and accurately.

Casting shields, weapon swapping and healing is incredibly easy to do once you basically have any experience in playing the game. Why would one need a macro for that??? Anyone benefiting from such a macro, I would say, is just a complete beginner.

"Oh $hit" buttons like that will get you killed as soon as you get cc'd at the start of the macro and need to break free but can't cos your macro is still trying to send commands to the game. Indeed, how does such an "oh $hit" button even know what bar you're currently on without taking cues from the game, which is beyond the functionality of a macro. Think these things through ffs.

FriedEggSandwich · March 2016

kuro-dono wrote: »

you guys ever tried blackwidow> putting on the macro buttons>>> skill+block? or skill+heavyattack+block?

lol how stupidly easy.

Another is> try healing spring and block, with my 5 bound keyboard in 1min spam, i do 30 healing spring, with black widow 45, why the difference you say?

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too bad not everyone can afford 250 bound keyboard.

Yeah it's pretty easy to set up a small macro like that, and it might even help in certain situations. But it can't actually replace any of your 5 skill buttons or weapon swap, so you just added a button to your potential rotation, therefore increasing complexity, and that was just one macro. Add any more macros with different skills and you further increase the complexity of your potential rotation. At what point does the benefit of having a LA/skill/block macro outwiegh the greater complexity of potential rotaion? Cos like I said you can't replace any of your skills with a macro cos what happens if you are low on stam and taking damage and don't want to block at the end of the rotation? People might well be using macros like this and thinking they're having an easy time of it, but they're deluded. It's much easier to train your muscle memory to respond dynamically and actually have less buttons to press in combat.

sadownik · March 2016

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

RoamingRiverElk wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

So strange to see people claiming macroing is not a thing in ESO. "Someone" was told what to do to get game easier. "Someone" made "oh ***" button that switched to second weapon bar cast 2 shields and a heal and return to the assault bar. "Someone" cant understand the denying of the macroing in ESO otherwise as defending the persons personal gain.

I tend to think that someone who was using such an 'oh ***' button would not gain an advantage over me. That *is* due to an assumption I make, however, and that is that the time in which they can perform this combo is not significantly faster than any normal dueler's ability to activate such skills because skills cannot be activated faster than... whatever time it is... like one activation per second or so? I'm not sure how long it is exactly since I haven't tested. But my point remains.

I assume that the creator of such a macro would then also be stuck with the sequence until it has been completed, meaning that they could not react to any incoming attacks with a dodge roll while the script was running? That is a significant disadvantage compared to normal skilled nonmacro play which relies on reading the fight fast and accurately.

Casting shields, weapon swapping and healing is incredibly easy to do once you basically have any experience in playing the game. Why would one need a macro for that??? Anyone benefiting from such a macro, I would say, is just a complete beginner.

"Oh $hit" buttons like that will get you killed as soon as you get cc'd at the start of the macro and need to break free but can't cos your macro is still trying to send commands to the game. Indeed, how does such an "oh $hit" button even know what bar you're currently on without taking cues from the game, which is beyond the functionality of a macro. Think these things through ffs.

I am ofc not using macros, because its against TOS, but if i would i would tell you to try it yourself. "oh ***" button doesnt block anything because it executes 5 button presses with just one well under 1 second.

FriedEggSandwich · March 2016

sadownik wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

RoamingRiverElk wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

So strange to see people claiming macroing is not a thing in ESO. "Someone" was told what to do to get game easier. "Someone" made "oh ***" button that switched to second weapon bar cast 2 shields and a heal and return to the assault bar. "Someone" cant understand the denying of the macroing in ESO otherwise as defending the persons personal gain.

I tend to think that someone who was using such an 'oh ***' button would not gain an advantage over me. That *is* due to an assumption I make, however, and that is that the time in which they can perform this combo is not significantly faster than any normal dueler's ability to activate such skills because skills cannot be activated faster than... whatever time it is... like one activation per second or so? I'm not sure how long it is exactly since I haven't tested. But my point remains.

I assume that the creator of such a macro would then also be stuck with the sequence until it has been completed, meaning that they could not react to any incoming attacks with a dodge roll while the script was running? That is a significant disadvantage compared to normal skilled nonmacro play which relies on reading the fight fast and accurately.

Casting shields, weapon swapping and healing is incredibly easy to do once you basically have any experience in playing the game. Why would one need a macro for that??? Anyone benefiting from such a macro, I would say, is just a complete beginner.

"Oh $hit" buttons like that will get you killed as soon as you get cc'd at the start of the macro and need to break free but can't cos your macro is still trying to send commands to the game. Indeed, how does such an "oh $hit" button even know what bar you're currently on without taking cues from the game, which is beyond the functionality of a macro. Think these things through ffs.

I am ofc not using macros, because its against TOS, but if i would i would tell you to try it yourself. "oh ***" button doesnt block anything because it executes 5 button presses with just one well under 1 second.

I don't believe it's possible to execute 5 skills in under a second. Post a video of it happening if you really want to get people talking.

NovaShadow · March 2016

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

RoamingRiverElk wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

So strange to see people claiming macroing is not a thing in ESO. "Someone" was told what to do to get game easier. "Someone" made "oh ***" button that switched to second weapon bar cast 2 shields and a heal and return to the assault bar. "Someone" cant understand the denying of the macroing in ESO otherwise as defending the persons personal gain.

I tend to think that someone who was using such an 'oh ***' button would not gain an advantage over me. That *is* due to an assumption I make, however, and that is that the time in which they can perform this combo is not significantly faster than any normal dueler's ability to activate such skills because skills cannot be activated faster than... whatever time it is... like one activation per second or so? I'm not sure how long it is exactly since I haven't tested. But my point remains.

I assume that the creator of such a macro would then also be stuck with the sequence until it has been completed, meaning that they could not react to any incoming attacks with a dodge roll while the script was running? That is a significant disadvantage compared to normal skilled nonmacro play which relies on reading the fight fast and accurately.

Casting shields, weapon swapping and healing is incredibly easy to do once you basically have any experience in playing the game. Why would one need a macro for that??? Anyone benefiting from such a macro, I would say, is just a complete beginner.

"Oh $hit" buttons like that will get you killed as soon as you get cc'd at the start of the macro and need to break free but can't cos your macro is still trying to send commands to the game. Indeed, how does such an "oh $hit" button even know what bar you're currently on without taking cues from the game, which is beyond the functionality of a macro. Think these things through ffs.

I am ofc not using macros, because its against TOS, but if i would i would tell you to try it yourself. "oh ***" button doesnt block anything because it executes 5 button presses with just one well under 1 second.

I don't believe it's possible to execute 5 skills in under a second. Post a video of it happening if you really want to get people talking.

Lol...just...lol...

sadownik · March 2016

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

RoamingRiverElk wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

So strange to see people claiming macroing is not a thing in ESO. "Someone" was told what to do to get game easier. "Someone" made "oh ***" button that switched to second weapon bar cast 2 shields and a heal and return to the assault bar. "Someone" cant understand the denying of the macroing in ESO otherwise as defending the persons personal gain.

I tend to think that someone who was using such an 'oh ***' button would not gain an advantage over me. That *is* due to an assumption I make, however, and that is that the time in which they can perform this combo is not significantly faster than any normal dueler's ability to activate such skills because skills cannot be activated faster than... whatever time it is... like one activation per second or so? I'm not sure how long it is exactly since I haven't tested. But my point remains.

I assume that the creator of such a macro would then also be stuck with the sequence until it has been completed, meaning that they could not react to any incoming attacks with a dodge roll while the script was running? That is a significant disadvantage compared to normal skilled nonmacro play which relies on reading the fight fast and accurately.

Casting shields, weapon swapping and healing is incredibly easy to do once you basically have any experience in playing the game. Why would one need a macro for that??? Anyone benefiting from such a macro, I would say, is just a complete beginner.

"Oh $hit" buttons like that will get you killed as soon as you get cc'd at the start of the macro and need to break free but can't cos your macro is still trying to send commands to the game. Indeed, how does such an "oh $hit" button even know what bar you're currently on without taking cues from the game, which is beyond the functionality of a macro. Think these things through ffs.

I am ofc not using macros, because its against TOS, but if i would i would tell you to try it yourself. "oh ***" button doesnt block anything because it executes 5 button presses with just one well under 1 second.

I don't believe it's possible to execute 5 skills in under a second. Post a video of it happening if you really want to get people talking.

Sorry, cant, against TOS. But if you really want to try, try it yourself.

PainfulFAFA · March 2016

allen-iverson wrote: »

according to ep i am the biggest scripter that ever scripted a script

According to ep....

PrinceFabious · March 2016

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

allen-iverson wrote: »

according to ep i am the biggest scripter that ever scripted a script

According to ep....

You must know that you did NOT do a good job of hiding his name. This is straight name shaming. You barely covered any letters lol

FriedEggSandwich · March 2016

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PrinceFabious wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

allen-iverson wrote: »

according to ep i am the biggest scripter that ever scripted a script

According to ep....

You must know that you did NOT do a good job of hiding his name. This is straight name shaming. You barely covered any letters lol

I can't work out what it says on my 1440p monitor, but I imagine if you knew the player you might be able to work it out.

AddictionX · March 2016

^I can tell what it says and i dont know the player. Perhaps english isn't your first language?

First letter yes. Second yes. Third yes. Fourth yes. Fifth yes. sixth yes. yes to all of them.

Duiwel · March 2016

Lol @ poverty censorship...

I think many ppl here are right many people jump to conclusions too quickly. "Oh that guy beat me he must have used macro's"

(he can't be better than me!)

This mentality has unfortunately been bred due to the "everyone's a winner" way of handling things and giving everyone a trophy.

Now OP I am not saying many ppl don't do this ( as I am sure they do ) but the best of the best still do it the old fashioned way...

Lefty Lucy proved this in a video... when someone tried to call him out for it.

Fengrush, Sypher, King Richard ect. you can usually hear the click spamming no way is that macro'd

So the best of the best don't have to, I think it's average players who try and get an edge who do this and guess what? They will always remain that - average.

They will not improve.

I started serious pvp ( like go into the sewers alone ) about a month ago and I sucked. I died a lot. I killed some guys, but most of my time was spent getting killed by 1 or 2 or even 10 people.

I have learned and improved my skills and I can now handle 2 people at once already on my fav PvP char... 3 will kill me but I can handle 2v1 now which is a MASSIVE feat for me and a personal achievement. The reason I am mentioning this is to MOTIVATE you to better yourself and have the same attitude as me - so they want to do this? LET THEM! You will just improve yourself further, your reflexes will just be even faster eventually you can be almost as fast as a macro-er and guess what? Since you don't run a pre-set system you can adapt to the actual situation, which is much more preferable...

edit: fixed link

WillhelmBlack · March 2016

I know why I die quick. Here's 10 reasons, all more likely than macros.

1. Templar house
2. Server lag
3. 1mbps connection
4. Camo Hunter (most times proccing twice)
5. Proxy Det
6. Other builds having more instant cast abilities/animation cancelling faster than me
7. Spambush
8. Broken CC immunity
9. Fear
10. 3/4 bottle of gin/vodka/whiskey