Do you think the racial passives are balanced?

Tdroid · March 2016

Simple question. Do you think that the racial passives in the game are balanaced?

Comments on how to change them are also welcome.

Saynna · March 2016

No

Of course they're not balanced considering one race has a 21% Stamina regeneration and another has faster swim speed.

Turelus · March 2016

The only way to balance them would be removing them, or making every race have the same thing or ability to choose what they want.

That would make a very boring game. If the passives upset you that much, don't play the race that you dislike or wait until the race change comes in.

I have a Dunmer Nightblade, Bosmer Sorcer and Nord DK, none of these are optimised but can still complete all content in the game and win fights in PvP. The only time this truly matters is cutting tiny parts out of times on Trials etc.

Most of the time player skill will more than make up for any unbalance in the passives.

Thevampirenight · March 2016

Well every race should have there own special passives but when it comes to health magicka and stamina regeneration each race on the three alliances needs to have the same when it comes to regeneration.
Highelves magicka regen, Argonions magicka regen, Bretons Magicka regen
Nords,Health Regen, Khajit Health Regen, Orc Health Regen
Redguard stamina regen, Dunmer stamina regen, Bosmer stamina regen.
Or remove regen from all the races.
Also health needs to be the thing for sheilding and tanking, so its usefull to people. Thus Khajiit, Orcs and Nords are usefull.
They need to balance out the races or make them have no regen because of the fact it should not matter what race you are.
Also they need to add racial abilites or racial ults to each race.

GreenSoup2HoT · March 2016

No

I think Bosmer is the only race with a little too much atm.

Thevampirenight · March 2016

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

I think Bosmer is the only race with a little too much atm.

Well Bosmer gets diesease/posion resistance, 21% Extra stamina regen, faster bow training, Better stealthing.
So I guess this is possibly the race used most by stamblades.
I do think bosmer should be able to do 10% extra damage with the bow.
They need to at least make regen equal between all the races.

Reb · March 2016

No

No ...but i don't want them to be either

ValarMorghulis1896 · March 2016

No

No... cos they shouldn't be. Would be boring

SlayerTheDragon · March 2016

No

No.

Seriously, they should just remove ALL the races except High Elf and Imperial. Those are really the only two viable for Mag and Stam if you don't want to waste 50 hours of your life.

SlayerTheDragon · March 2016

No

Take it like this, an Imperial will always have 10% more stamina.

ValarMorghulis1896 wrote: »

No... cos they shouldn't be. Would be boring

They should, however, make each race viable. Currently they are not - you will NEVER see a Nord running around with the monkey pet - if you take my meaning.

Shader_Shibes · March 2016

No

DonoVDV wrote: »

No.

Seriously, they should just remove ALL the races except High Elf and Imperial. Those are really the only two viable for Mag and Stam if you don't want to waste 50 hours of your life.

Dunmer, Breton, Redguard, Khajiit disagree.

SlayerTheDragon · March 2016

No

Shader_Shibes wrote: »

DonoVDV wrote: »

No.

Seriously, they should just remove ALL the races except High Elf and Imperial. Those are really the only two viable for Mag and Stam if you don't want to waste 50 hours of your life.

Dunmer, Breton, Redguard, Khajiit disagree.

Take an Imperial and a Khajiit. If the Khajiit manages 30k stam, the Imperial has 33K in the same class and gear. Are you going to sacrifice that much resource >> dps for a tail???

I do like the new Argonian passive though, I wish that sort of awesomeness could be applied to all races, and these outright OP passives removed.

Shader_Shibes · March 2016

No

DonoVDV wrote: »

Shader_Shibes wrote: »

DonoVDV wrote: »

No.

Seriously, they should just remove ALL the races except High Elf and Imperial. Those are really the only two viable for Mag and Stam if you don't want to waste 50 hours of your life.

Dunmer, Breton, Redguard, Khajiit disagree.

Take an Imperial and a Khajiit. If the Khajiit manages 30k stam, the Imperial has 33K in the same class and gear. Are you going to sacrifice that much resource >> dps for a tail???

I do like the new Argonian passive though, I wish that sort of awesomeness could be applied to all races, and these outright OP passives removed.

You think i said Khajiit coz it has a tail? LOL. I'd rather have their 8% more crit than however much more stam an Imperial will have.

Fizzlewizzle · March 2016

No

Not really balanced, but a lot less worse then some people make them out to be.

Most people would like to see their race with high damage/ stat bonusses, just so they can hit 500 more or something.
I personally like the swimspeed, although i find it sad there isn't really a Hist skin like skill on Argonians.
Do i hate my Argonian... Nope, i love it and wouldn't want any other race. Why? I find myself more often in water then you might expect. And, once i play on another race i'm extremely bothered by my restricted movements.

Seeing more... Casual effects on classes would be fun.
Decreased fall damage on Khajit.
Increased movement speed in forest areas on Bosmer
Increased movement speed in Snow areas on Nords.

Would give every race some "stupid" advantage over others, and it makes things more fun.

ValarMorghulis1896 · March 2016

No

Shader_Shibes wrote: »

DonoVDV wrote: »

Shader_Shibes wrote: »

DonoVDV wrote: »

No.

Seriously, they should just remove ALL the races except High Elf and Imperial. Those are really the only two viable for Mag and Stam if you don't want to waste 50 hours of your life.

Dunmer, Breton, Redguard, Khajiit disagree.

Take an Imperial and a Khajiit. If the Khajiit manages 30k stam, the Imperial has 33K in the same class and gear. Are you going to sacrifice that much resource >> dps for a tail???

I do like the new Argonian passive though, I wish that sort of awesomeness could be applied to all races, and these outright OP passives removed.

You think i said Khajiit coz it has a tail? LOL. I'd rather have their 8% more crit than however much more stam an Imperial will have.

THIS! (...and because it has a tail...

)
And the new Argonian passive makes them a good tank, just try it!

Marktoneth3 · March 2016

No

Argonian is OP

should get rid of them and enslave them forever

My Dark elf will be happy

Duiwel · March 2016

Yes

I had no idea there were so many Argonians in this game... look at all those no's

magnusthorek · March 2016

No

I don't go deep in math or anything like that but indeed not having racial passives to regen combat pool (magicka Breton in my case) is awful. The Spell resistance this class has, wven being so small, used to work 8-9 months ago when I created the character.

Today it's has little impact as monster grow stronger and stronger

Thavie · March 2016

No

One word: argonians.

Lyrander · March 2016

No

Saynna wrote: »

Of course they're not balanced considering one race has a 21% Stamina regeneration and another has faster swim speed.

This.

hondelink · March 2016

No

I'm an Argonian. Nothing else needed to say.

lolo_01b16_ESO · March 2016

No

Some races (Nord and Argonian, maybe also Breton / Orc) could deserve a buff, however I don't want all races to be completely equaly. And currently all other races have a situation where they are top choice.

Kippesnikke · March 2016

hahahahaha making a post like this you are poking the bear:P

Silver_Strider · March 2016

No

No because they aren't

90% of Magic Builds are Altmer. Why? Because they are the all around best magic race. Bretons get a cost reduction that is laughably small and is outshine by the Altmer's regen. The only area of magic that Altmer aren't the absolute top tier is on Magic DK where Dunmer pass them, but just slightly.

Stamina builds are slightly more flexible in terms of race as you have several different races that can equally suit it without losing much between them.

Then we have bottom tier Races like Nord and Argonians. Outside of Tank roles (Where Imperials are seen filling 9/10 times) these 2 races offer little to a build that any other race can't beat them at. Sure, you can outskill players, but regardless of how you build them, they will always have lower damage numbers than any other race played by equally skilled players merely because of how damage is scaled in this game.

Why anyone would say they are balanced is beyond me.

Mady · March 2016

Yes

For skilled players there are fine. If you have to rely on racial passives you may have to train more

Just look at Sypher playing his DK on stamina (easy example I know)

DenniMyuu · March 2016

No

Just... Derpgonian.

Bramble · March 2016

No

Instead of racials, what I'd like to see are Studies or Affinities. Joebobcat has spent time studying fisticuffs with Imperials and now has their racials to show for it. Jonsnowbank grew up with Nords and now has the racials they're born with.

Basically, one could choose their racials, not based on race, but based on preference. Play what you like (hmm, isn't that familiar phrase) but tailor the enhancement to fit your current build.

You could, for a gold fee, change this choice. That way, when your stamina or magicka build feels downtrodden, you're freer to take a different approach without rolling another character entirely.

SlayerTheDragon · March 2016

No

Mady wrote: »

For skilled players there are fine. If you have to rely on racial passives you may have to train more

Just look at Sypher playing his DK on stamina (easy example I know)

Its not about comparing you to others, its about picking a race for your character. If you choose between two races, your skill does not change??

RoamingRiverElk · March 2016

No

Bramble wrote: »

Instead of racials, what I'd like to see are Studies or Affinities. Joebobcat has spent time studying fisticuffs with Imperials and now has their racials to show for it. Jonsnowbank grew up with Nords and now has the racials they're born with.

Basically, one could choose their racials, not based on race, but based on preference. Play what you like (hmm, isn't that familiar phrase) but tailor the enhancement to fit your current build.

You could, for a gold fee, change this choice. That way, when your stamina or magicka build feels downtrodden, you're freer to take a different approach without rolling another character entirely.

That is an awesome, awesome idea.

Mady · March 2016

Yes

DonoVDV wrote: »

Mady wrote: »

For skilled players there are fine. If you have to rely on racial passives you may have to train more

Just look at Sypher playing his DK on stamina (easy example I know)

Its not about comparing you to others, its about picking a race for your character. If you choose between two races, your skill does not change??

But it makes your gameplay easier, if you need the extra stats. You can play on stamina with a dunmer and you can still enjoy the game. There are a lot of argonians that do more than well (at least on EU). It's not that racials are giving you 2 x damage or whatever.

BlackEar · March 2016

Yes

Tdroid wrote: »

Simple question. Do you think that the racial passives in the game are balanaced?

Comments on how to change them are also welcome.

If we use the benchmark that is the class balance system I would say it is lies 100 % horizontal on a spirit level.

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