Jesus Beam vs. Other Executes

Minno · March 2016

Parafrost wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Radiant is 100x better than mages fury or impale or executioner. The skill needs to not scale the way it does or go back to being dodgable. There is no reason an execute does so much dmg at 100% health and then scales 2x or more as much dmg in execute range than the other executes.

In pvp all i see on my death log at a minimum is radiant every time. Its hilarious watching templars defend radiant just like they did in 1.6 when it was doing the exact same overpowered broken bs.

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You are in dreamland. I would expect 99.9999% of Templar magicka builds (Which I'm not currently one of unless you count a level 15 bwb character) would PREFER to have RD be an instant cast execute like every other class gets. Your problem is that you don't know how good you have it as a non Templar. If it is so awesome, go level a Templar up and show us how great your skills are. I highly doubt that the FOTM crowd are abandoning their NB's and Sorcs to go play a Magplar. Lets get real here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqo-T9csmiI

Wtb purifying ritual with projectile purge...

phillyboy7897 · March 2016

The next video should be someone hitting purge once while 4 templars are RDing them.

If you don't have purge on your bar or something to dealing with channels and debuffs you are part of the DPS stacking game and you should get wtfblasted.

We need more skills punishing to people going pure offense for instagib awesomeness, not less. Cry me a river these builds which apparently are the only thing viable according to leetgamer legend.

You know why 60/60 is an unfair comparison?

I'm calling it out there are 2 ways to mitigate RD in the CP tree just like there are 2 ways to buff it. Blabs probably got something like 120-130 CPs buffing his RD and you got 60 to counter.

Theres actually been 2 ways to mitigate it and sweeps since CPs came out w/o having 2 ways to buff em. Hows that balance?

You're a Mag DK you are very aware of this.

Nobody in another class made a single post commenting on the fact that RD was a piece of garbage (ps4 live its a complete joke tickles me then I purge it.) Thanks for caring about balance there guys. Now bc CP tree got evened out NERFFFFFFF.

Templars are going to need a case study comparing it against multiple targets, controlling for variables, etc etc to make sure it is forums-admissable. We see where this is going.

RD first. Then dark flare. Then sweeps. Make sure every templar cannot have a hard hitting ability that is where this is going. Because what the templar class should be is someone sitting in a circle with wet noodle abilities.

You know what happened right? Our healing tree got shredded dude. Destroyed bro. What we got was DPS hand-me-outs and a more balanced CP tree (which everyone got.)

3 days ago I got one shotted at 65% health by a very well played NB on allessia bridge. I have 25k physical, 6 impen, 70 resistant CP, etc etc.

Did I come cry? NBs can do 17k damage in .3 sec on a tank in heavy armor? No dude I was like godamn that was crazy I need to deal with that I need to LoS the c--p outta him if I see him again.

Channel has been the easiest thing to avoid in the game. Now u can't dodge it. #OPcauseIcan'tplayexactlythesameagainstit

Parafrost · March 2016

Nerf nightblades, nerf rd, buff dks, nerf sorc shields. Then i think we are in business.

HoloYoitsu · March 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

2) Swap out endless fury with mages wrath since we're comparing the strength of these executes, being at low health with that mages wrath DoT on you when it explodes is incredibly "OP".

Endless Fury and Mage's Wrath both do the same damage on the execute proc. The difference between the morphs is that Fury gives magicka back on killing blow, while Wrath does increased dmg on the AoE portion of the execute proc. The AoE doesn't touch the target, only those around them.

Jules · March 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

You know, I think ZOS should just allow you dodge radiant, it removed the "spamming" at full health of it, which seems to put a bad taste in peoples mouth, even though that is highly ineffective.

And it makes people use it as an actual execute which I think is what people want? No one really had an issue with this skill before, it honestly hasn't changed much, last patch before the CP changes I still got 1 ticks that were doing like 15k+ damage when they got low health

Surprisingly, a resounding yes to this^

I have no problem with executes doing ridiculous damage in execute range.

Satiar · March 2016

I feel like Templar is in a brutal place, surely there are better things to focus on?

You can block it, purge it, etc. It does small enough damage i normally just dos through and kill them while they do it.

Of all the things in this game to complain about, this doesn't crack top 20 for me.

Parafrost · March 2016

#Takeawaymagickascalingwithradiantoppressionandmakeitnotbeachanneledability

phillyboy7897 · March 2016

lol i should put spaces in #'s I guess that is annoying to read.. good point bro.

phillyboy7897 · March 2016

The solution presented seems like:

I got killed by a templar ability after it got fixed against dodgeroll.

Please break it again.

God help you guys whenever toppling charge gets fixed.

It ain't stopping w/ RD and we know it. We are fighting you at the breach baby and no threads are making it through.

Minno · March 2016

Satiar wrote: »

I feel like Templar is in a brutal place, surely there are better things to focus on?

You can block it, purge it, etc. It does small enough damage i normally just dos through and kill them while they do it.

Of all the things in this game to complain about, this doesn't crack top 20 for me.

Agreed. And if they are going to touch this skill they should at least do a little extra work to give us a skill we need to satisfy ZOS's intent for templars or providing mobility.

Till then there's other skills/issues to fix.

maxjapank · March 2016

This thread and the complaints are getting old. I get kills with Radiant and sometimes I don't. More and more players are adjusting to it. Shields. Purge. Block. Cloak. In general, the times I do get kills is when I should get the kill. Radiant is fine as is. Jules...you need to let this one go. What a wasted effort by you.

dodgehopper_ESO · March 2016

Minno wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

I feel like Templar is in a brutal place, surely there are better things to focus on?

You can block it, purge it, etc. It does small enough damage i normally just dos through and kill them while they do it.

Of all the things in this game to complain about, this doesn't crack top 20 for me.

Agreed. And if they are going to touch this skill they should at least do a little extra work to give us a skill we need to satisfy ZOS's intent for templars or providing mobility.

Till then there's other skills/issues to fix.

The problem is that they don't even come close to the intent. Like I've said before I'd be happy if they ripped out the two class heals of BoL and Healing Ritual if it meant they'd turn Templar into a complete class. No other class has to put up with this level of nonsense. Lets talk about Eclipse. Its a DEBUFF but it can be countered by cc break (and therefore greating cheap immunity) on a class with terrible cc as it is. It can also be easily removed with a purge, a skill no one wants to run despite it being a massively easy solution for your whole team to deal with debuffs on the whole team. Lets talk about Vampires Bane/Reflecting Light (horrible dps) or Backlash (wtf?). Lets talk about how we're the only class that is expected to stand in place and move slow to use our buffs, despite being offered less regeneration and recovery, and having to fire ALL OF our defensive skills on SHORT COOLDOWNS. Lets talk about how one of our best skills was removed for RD, or that one of our other best skills is nerfed into the dirt with battle spirit. Lets talk about how everything else almost is a channel or a long cast, with impossible or difficult to animation clip (Where the real dps is had). I'm getting sick of the BS. I don't even play a Magplar but you can cry me a river if you don't like this skill. Grow up. Have one guy on your team use purge. Raise your shield. Bash. Interrupt.

Enraged_Tiki_Torch · March 2016

Minno wrote: »

Agreed. And if they are going to touch this skill they should at least do a little extra work to give us a skill we need to satisfy ZOS's intent for templars or providing mobility.

Till then there's other skills/issues to fix.

Step 1: Throw some Blessed Thistle, Columbine, and Namira's Rot into a pot, stir it up and see what you get.

Step 2: Stop complaining to ZoS about having no mobility.

Step 3: Say thanks, they are always appreciated.

phillyboy7897 · March 2016

Yup. I am seeing Sypher blasting everyone around him with oneshots, just piles of corpses, and this is repeatable within 8 seconds.

I know he's a good player but it ain't just him. Its a gap closer proxy ultbomb when u have VD equipped. Use whatever you got to run away then come back when the next proxy is up.

Sure this is to deal w/ ball groups, but my point is there are bigger issues than a clunky channel that snares u 70% hitting hard.

If somebody new at this game wants to use this skill and they actually get kills, good bro.

maxjapank · March 2016

Enraged_Tiki_Torch wrote: »

Step 1: Throw some Blessed Thistle, Columbine, and Namira's Rot into a pot, stir it up and see what you get.

Shhh. Don't give away my secret recipe.

phillyboy7897 · March 2016

lol dude that will get nerfed. someone has a hard-on for temps not having major expedition

phillyboy7897 · March 2016

its an everyone nerf whenever it lands tho, and won't lead to more temp skills getting blasted left and right

Parafrost · March 2016

-ESO is a game about alliance warfare- -pvp is unbalanced- Logic? I see none NotLikeThis

Enraged_Tiki_Torch · March 2016

Don't worry the fan bois will still run tri-stat pots

phillyboy7897 · March 2016

All their resources should go to fixing lag..

The combat system is good, and if you stop and think there are counters to everything.

Ishammael · March 2016

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Radiant is 100x better than mages fury or impale or executioner. The skill needs to not scale the way it does or go back to being dodgable. There is no reason an execute does so much dmg at 100% health and then scales 2x or more as much dmg in execute range than the other executes.

In pvp all i see on my death log at a minimum is radiant every time. Its hilarious watching templars defend radiant just like they did in 1.6 when it was doing the exact same overpowered broken bs.

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Don't even try, Asgari (or Snu). You're just gonna get shouted down.

Jules · March 2016

Ishammael wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Radiant is 100x better than mages fury or impale or executioner. The skill needs to not scale the way it does or go back to being dodgable. There is no reason an execute does so much dmg at 100% health and then scales 2x or more as much dmg in execute range than the other executes.

In pvp all i see on my death log at a minimum is radiant every time. Its hilarious watching templars defend radiant just like they did in 1.6 when it was doing the exact same overpowered broken bs.

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Don't even try, Asgari (or Snu). You're just gonna get shouted down.

zerg the thread!!!

Enraged_Tiki_Torch · March 2016

phillyboy7897 wrote: »

its an everyone nerf whenever it lands tho, and won't lead to more temp skills getting blasted left and right

They tried to nerf the Immovable part of it, maybe I am crazy but seems the same.

Probably will get nerfed cause I heard having Mobility and Jesus Beam makes us super OP.

Zheg · March 2016

Of the good templars that somehow agree with Jules, do ANY of you let your RD go full duration if you cast it on a high health player - whether because of a laggy weapon swap or them popping shields and healing up?

Go ahead, answer that question, and then come back and talk about how OP the damage is at high health.

Ishammael · March 2016

Jules wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Radiant is 100x better than mages fury or impale or executioner. The skill needs to not scale the way it does or go back to being dodgable. There is no reason an execute does so much dmg at 100% health and then scales 2x or more as much dmg in execute range than the other executes.

In pvp all i see on my death log at a minimum is radiant every time. Its hilarious watching templars defend radiant just like they did in 1.6 when it was doing the exact same overpowered broken bs.

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Don't even try, Asgari (or Snu). You're just gonna get shouted down.

zerg the thread!!!

I used to be a "Zerg user" back in the days of StarCraft. My Hydra push was deadly. (hehehe)

phillyboy7897 · March 2016

You got it Jules it ain't personal against you.

No more nerfs, no more devs looking at our skills, everything the 'balancing' team seems to look at gets broke AF.

I have 2 skills that cost 3k+ magicka and have god-awful dmg tooltips. I ain't gonna even use radiant.

Templars do not have good DPS options we have like 4 skills to pick from (sweeps, flare, rd, light), and this is one of them.

Templar dmg ultimate? LMFAO a cuddly ball for ppl to run through and an aoe melee skill which doesn't hit ppl.

So no, we ain't gonna let this slide on by baby, its dying.

Look, watch Sypher, watch a ball group video. Watch benzy's NB video that dude knows how to make a build and play well. This is the slaughter. It's not RD, never was.

We ain't taking this sitting down we know where its going.

#temps shouldn't get kills

AfkNinja · March 2016

Ishammael wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Radiant is 100x better than mages fury or impale or executioner. The skill needs to not scale the way it does or go back to being dodgable. There is no reason an execute does so much dmg at 100% health and then scales 2x or more as much dmg in execute range than the other executes.

In pvp all i see on my death log at a minimum is radiant every time. Its hilarious watching templars defend radiant just like they did in 1.6 when it was doing the exact same overpowered broken bs.

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Don't even try, Asgari (or Snu). You're just gonna get shouted down.

It's not "shouting down" when the people involved are making well reasoned arguments. If you have a counter argument throw it up otherwise you're attempting to derail the debate with nothing to back up your argument. (which is closer to the "shouting down" you referenced.) I have done the math myself, watched Jules videos, read the responses and considered them. Afterwards I still disagreed. In multiple threads we've been debating this, Jules keeps throwing up the same evidence over and over. People keep poking holes in the logic, is it our fault the argument presented is insufficient to change our minds? Hell I don't even play Magplar and NOTHING jules has said or shown has convinced me the argument presented is justified. All I see is a video clearly set up to prove Jules point, and a player who is mad they can't handle a Templar so easily anymore.

The arguments presented were poorly argued. The people in this thread have repeatedly shown in their opinion it's not OP, they've even used numbers thrown up from their opponents to show them they are wrong. ZOS has agreed it's NOT OP. What more do you want? What would satisfy you and get you to change your mind? All the facts in the world don't mean squat if you refuse to properly even consider your opponents arguments. What's the point of a real debate if you aren't willing to consider both sides?

Parafrost · March 2016

Zheg wrote: »

Of the good templars that somehow agree with Jules, do ANY of you let your RD go full duration if you cast it on a high health player - whether because of a laggy weapon swap or them popping shields and healing up?

Go ahead, answer that question, and then come back and talk about how OP the damage is at high health.

A lot of bad templars dont ani-cancel and use radiant at 100%.

Parafrost · March 2016

AfkNinja wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Radiant is 100x better than mages fury or impale or executioner. The skill needs to not scale the way it does or go back to being dodgable. There is no reason an execute does so much dmg at 100% health and then scales 2x or more as much dmg in execute range than the other executes.

In pvp all i see on my death log at a minimum is radiant every time. Its hilarious watching templars defend radiant just like they did in 1.6 when it was doing the exact same overpowered broken bs.

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Don't even try, Asgari (or Snu). You're just gonna get shouted down.

It's not "shouting down" when the people involved are making well reasoned arguments. If you have a counter argument throw it up otherwise you're attempting to derail the debate with nothing to back up your argument. (which is closer to the "shouting down" you referenced.) I have done the math myself, watched Jules videos, read the responses and considered them. Afterwards I still disagreed. In multiple threads we've been debating this, Jules keeps throwing up the same evidence over and over. People keep poking holes in the logic, is it our fault the argument presented is insufficient to change our minds? Hell I don't even play Magplar and NOTHING jules has said or shown has convinced me the argument presented is justified. All I see is a video clearly set up to prove Jules point, and a player who is mad they can't handle a Templar so easily anymore.

The arguments presented were poorly argued. The people in this thread have repeatedly shown in their opinion it's not OP, they've even used numbers thrown up from their opponents to show them they are wrong. ZOS has agreed it's NOT OP. What more do you want? What would satisfy you and get you to change your mind? All the facts in the world don't mean squat if you refuse to properly even consider your opponents arguments. What's the point of a real debate if you aren't willing to consider both sides?

I am confused as to what side you are saying this towards o.o.

Zheg · March 2016

Parafrost wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Of the good templars that somehow agree with Jules, do ANY of you let your RD go full duration if you cast it on a high health player - whether because of a laggy weapon swap or them popping shields and healing up?

Go ahead, answer that question, and then come back and talk about how OP the damage is at high health.

A lot of bad templars dont ani-cancel and use radiant at 100%.

That's not really the point. Bad templars gonna bad templar. If the damage is SO OP at high health though, wouldn't blab and asgari be using it in those situations? Or, are they like the other realistic templars, curse, and manually cancel their RD when it goes off on high health targets.