Really guys?

RDMyers65b14_ESO · March 2016

Let's look at history... What do all the campaigns that are now gone have in common? Someone made them a single color. So, instead of allowing Haderus to be a competitive campaign, EP just had to go and push everyone to their gates. Are you trying to kill PVP? Are you really wanting to have everyone forced into Trueflame with the lag and hour long queues? Is that what you want? What is it about the fact that people don't want to PVP when you are gate camping that you don't understand?

For gods' sakes, don't make the map one color and let the campaign be competitive. You will get more ap and have more fun with a competitive campaign instead of a dead one color campaign.

DaveMoeDee · March 2016

Make it competitive by not competing?

martinhpb16_ESO · March 2016

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

Let's look at history... What do all the campaigns that are now gone have in common? Someone made them a single color. So, instead of allowing Haderus to be a competitive campaign, EP just had to go and push everyone to their gates. Are you trying to kill PVP? Are you really wanting to have everyone forced into Trueflame with the lag and hour long queues? Is that what you want? What is it about the fact that people don't want to PVP when you are gate camping that you don't understand?

For gods' sakes, don't make the map one color and let the campaign be competitive. You will get more ap and have more fun with a competitive campaign instead of a dead one color campaign.

Agree with OP

Its the age old PVP problem. Some peeps just dont get it. Ease back, let the enemy out, give them some map, attract more enemies and get some good pvp.

Some folks just want to gate camp and somehow think that makes em uber peeveepee pwners. Easymode and lame.

Was the same in my old game. I see a map all my own faction colour Im out.

kadar · March 2016

Are you complaining that a single faction (EP) on a single campaign (Haderus) pushed the other factions to their gates?

...How DARE they! No other factions (DC/AD) have EVER pushed the other two factions to their gates. Nope. Never happened before.

It's like asking the other faction to let you have Emp for a change because they have had it for a real long time...

Or asking the other player to let YOU kill THEM for a change, because it would be more fun and fair for both of you...

The only response is to push back. Such is war.

Minalan · March 2016

Generally the faction losing the worst in TF gets mad and runs to one of the other two campaigns and owns it.

Just man up and put up with the long queue times if you don't like it. I saw Azura's was 100% yellow, and was all... "Nope! TF 20th in queue sounds good to me!" It was worth it, Yellow was seriously wrecked there with blue and red slugging it out for hours of fun.

RDMyers65b14_ESO · March 2016

No, I never said anything about it only being the EP who has pushed back to the gates. All of the factions have at one point or another. But, it was just said the other day that after the patch, PVP was actually starting to be competitive, which is a good thing. There is also a huge difference between PVP and PVdoor. I have no doubt that the AD and the DC will push back out, but I am hoping that people will let the campaign become competitive as it was a few days ago instead of the nightcapping PVdoor that has resulted in a red map.

That is.. Unless you are one of the many in the other threads who are saying to remove PVP entirely and let Cyrodil be the next PVE zone. (For reference http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/252583/pvp-ruined/p2)

Personally, I like competitive PVP.

PrinceFabious · March 2016

MAYBE YOU SHOULDNT STACK IN TRUEFLAME..or else you could have defended Haddy. I hope a lesson was learned

catalyst10e · March 2016

What if your faction's 2 (maybe even the third) home keeps had a timer on them? Similar to the Scroll timers.

Really, you have an army that can somehow be stretched out across all Cyrodiil occupying every keep with guards, yet you can be pushed back to your 2 camps and the whole army just accepts it?

So either some sort of timed auto flip, or just to keep the fairness, perhaps NPCs appear in an attempt to take the keep with a battering ram. You can then help on the ram, get siege and help, or kill other NPCs to make the process go faster.

I dunno, no one likes to be pushed to their gate, and only griefers seem to like to fight at the gate.

Recremen · March 2016

It's still the week after patch and guilds are adjusting from all the people leaving/deciding where they want to stay, etc. Give it a minute to adjust.

HoloYoitsu · March 2016

Are we talking about NA PC here? The last time I looked in Had, it was about 95% yellow.

kadar · March 2016

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

No, I never said anything about it only being the EP who has pushed back to the gates. All of the factions have at one point or another. But, it was just said the other day that after the patch, PVP was actually starting to be competitive, which is a good thing. There is also a huge difference between PVP and PVdoor. I have no doubt that the AD and the DC will push back out, but I am hoping that people will let the campaign become competitive as it was a few days ago instead of the nightcapping PVdoor that has resulted in a red map.

That is.. Unless you are one of the many in the other threads who are saying to remove PVP entirely and let Cyrodil be the next PVE zone. (For reference http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/252583/pvp-ruined/p2)

Personally, I like competitive PVP.

Does "EP" stand for something besides Ebonheart Pact?!

So, instead of allowing Haderus to be a competitive campaign, EP just had to go and push everyone to their gates.

-_-

I think we can all agree that competitive PvP is a good thing. All I'm saying, like I mentioned in my original comment, is that what you're asking for will never happen. You don't want night capping? All the people who play in Oceana or Australia time zone should only log in and play when you're awake?

EDIT: Night capping exists because of Campaign rewards. No one gets all tickled and warm inside knocking down castle doors over and over. Everyone gets ticked inside when they get extra Rewards for crushing the other factions at the end of the campaign.

OtarTheMad · March 2016

If you stack in one campaign this will happen. I do agree with the OP however, you need to give a little in order to gain a lot because players have the option for TF and when a group of 20 are defending a gate keep or keeps it kind of makes players just say "screw this" and go to TF.

I also agree with The_Outsider as well, kind of odd to ask EP (or whoever) to hand us keeps so other players stay and start up/join groups. I mean just because you are pushed to your gate that doesn't mean you MUST start with the gate keeps... no... maybe hit Brindle or Drake or Dragonclaw or something (depending on your alliance). Make your opponent guess where you will hit next, spread them out etc.

However not all players think like this or do this, they just see a full raid guarding the gate keeps and just nope out and go to TF. I do wish more campaigns were competitive but that's just not the case... players have always and will always go to the most popular campaign and sometimes another campaign becomes competitive for a bit but usually not long.

RDMyers65b14_ESO · March 2016

As far as campaign rewards go, if 10 wall repair kits and some pretendy gold that won't buy a cup of coffee is the entire reason for the gate camping, the player has a huge problem. The better rewards come from the AP. If the other factions leave the server because of the gate camping, guess what... there is no AP. Ooooh, logic. I doubt that Haderus becomes a ghost town like Chillrend or Axe was, but it can seriously damage PVP on the server.

All I am asking is for people to use a little common sense and not push back to the gates in all factions. The map should never be just one color. PVP is much more fun if it is competitive.

But if players prefer for Cyrodil to become another PVE zone due to the lack of the other factions...

kadar · March 2016

The_Outsider wrote: »

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

No, I never said anything about it only being the EP who has pushed back to the gates. All of the factions have at one point or another. But, it was just said the other day that after the patch, PVP was actually starting to be competitive, which is a good thing. There is also a huge difference between PVP and PVdoor. I have no doubt that the AD and the DC will push back out, but I am hoping that people will let the campaign become competitive as it was a few days ago instead of the nightcapping PVdoor that has resulted in a red map.

That is.. Unless you are one of the many in the other threads who are saying to remove PVP entirely and let Cyrodil be the next PVE zone. (For reference http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/252583/pvp-ruined/p2)

Personally, I like competitive PVP.

Does "EP" stand for something besides Ebonheart Pact?!

So, instead of allowing Haderus to be a competitive campaign, EP just had to go and push everyone to their gates.

-_-

I think we can all agree that competitive PvP is a good thing. All I'm saying, like I mentioned in my original comment, is that what you're asking for will never happen. You don't want night capping? All the people who play in Oceana or Australia time zone should only log in and play when you're awake?

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

As far as campaign rewards go, if 10 wall repair kits and some pretendy gold that won't buy a cup of coffee is the entire reason for the gate camping, the player has a huge problem. The better rewards come from the AP. If the other factions leave the server because of the gate camping, guess what... there is no AP. Ooooh, logic. I doubt that Haderus becomes a ghost town like Chillrend or Axe was, but it can seriously damage PVP on the server.

All I am asking is for people to use a little common sense and not push back to the gates in all factions. The map should never be just one color. PVP is much more fun if it is competitive.

But if players prefer for Cyrodil to become another PVE zone due to the lack of the other factions...

Try, 20 wall repair kits, a sizeable amount of gold, and a GOLD QUALITY v16 Ring of Vicious Death (only worth 1-3 million gold, I'm sure). YES I WILL, push all other factions to their gates for campaign rewards! Lol.

In all honestly, I haven't taken part or ever seen the type of gate camping you're talking about. Push to the gates, take the scrolls, finish up AP quests, sure. But farm a couple people at their gate after doing all that? I get bored and log off far before that ever happens...

Aquanova · March 2016

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

Let's look at history... What do all the campaigns that are now gone have in common? Someone made them a single color. So, instead of allowing Haderus to be a competitive campaign, EP just had to go and push everyone to their gates. Are you trying to kill PVP? Are you really wanting to have everyone forced into Trueflame with the lag and hour long queues? Is that what you want? What is it about the fact that people don't want to PVP when you are gate camping that you don't understand?

For gods' sakes, don't make the map one color and let the campaign be competitive. You will get more ap and have more fun with a competitive campaign instead of a dead one color campaign.

Lol, AD did that last week on Azura. Are they the only ones allowed to do that?

AbraXuSeXile · March 2016

They should tie all the campaigns together in a cycle maybe 2 weeks , make a new scoring system for the joined up campaigns, the leaderboard of the campaigns are merged.

Then give people a reason to win for example gold rewards for winning faction or something new.

Then hopefully it could spread the factions and bring balance to all by people defending and attacking different campaigns.

Minno · March 2016

On a low pop server, its generally better if the dominant faction let's both enemies have their 3 scroll keeps. It's hard enough to seige with 10 people against an EMP group.

Though that's really a courtesy; its been suspended on some instances as punishment towards dominant factions deemed too organized for the low-pop.

vamp_emily · March 2016

I never really understood why people say stuff like: pushing an alliance to the gate would ruin PvP.

In BwB our alliance gets stronger and more focused when we are forced back to the gate. I also remember a time when DC pushed AD back to the gate and it was hours of non stop battling as AD pushed their way back in.

Its ok OP, we understand you got your feelings/tush hurt. It happens to the best of us.

Morozov · March 2016

Durham · March 2016

vamp_emily wrote: »

I never really understood why people say stuff like: pushing an alliance to the gate would ruin PvP.

In BwB our alliance gets stronger and more focused when we are forced back to the gate. I also remember a time when DC pushed AD back to the gate and it was hours of non stop battling as AD pushed their way back in.

Its ok OP, we understand you got your feelings/tush hurt. It happens to the best of us.

I love those gate ticks

GRxKnight · March 2016

The_Outsider wrote: »

Are you complaining that a single faction (EP) on a single campaign (Haderus) pushed the other factions to their gates?

...How DARE they! No other factions (DC/AD) have EVER pushed the other two factions to their gates. Nope. Never happened before.

It's like asking the other faction to let you have Emp for a change because they have had it for a real long time...

Or asking the other player to let YOU kill THEM for a change, because it would be more fun and fair for both of you...

The only response is to push back. Such is war.

Back when DC and AD did it there were more than a single other legit campaign to play on (sorry everyone in azura's you don't count as a legit campaign)...i went over to haderus yesterday for literally 10 seconds to get away from the lag in tf hoping for good fights only to find the map completely red...sorry but i don't want to siege keeps and PvDoor on a campaign I'm not homed on just to maybe get some fights...not my cup of tea

mchermie · March 2016

Its funny how so many of you are talking like this is some new issue. It has been happening for years and is never going to stop. Someone is always going to do it. Just face it, man up and take that *** back from whoever is camping your gates

Talcyndl · March 2016

GRxKnight wrote: »

sorry everyone in azura's you don't count as a legit campaign

Azuras is the ONLY legit campaign.

tonemd · March 2016

vamp_emily wrote: »

I never really understood why people say stuff like: pushing an alliance to the gate would ruin PvP.

In BwB our alliance gets stronger and more focused when we are forced back to the gate. I also remember a time when DC pushed AD back to the gate and it was hours of non stop battling as AD pushed their way back in.

Its ok OP, we understand you got your feelings/tush hurt. It happens to the best of us.

BWB and the designated main vet campaign (be it Azuras, Trueflame, thornblade etc) always have a dedicated population. BWB especially. So if one faction nightcaps to the gates, yeah there will be resistance pushing out somewhere within the 24 hours cycle. I count Haderus on NA PC as a side or overflow campaign. If you go there to fight people without lag, then (after you have run off with the scrolls) allowing the other factions to get their 3 key keeps back encourages groups to establish a foothold and try to push out.

It's not that hard to understand. There is no point of doing scorched earth if your aim is good PVP. If you just want easy mode by all means stack 100 and camp the enemy gates.

If all you want is a PVE playground in Cyrodiil then at the very least you could whine to ZOS for some interesting quests.

Minalan · March 2016

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Make it competitive by not competing?

It's not 'competing' if the other side 'wins' by capping the whole map while the other teams are sleeping. It becomes a contest of what faction has the most basement-dwellers that don't have work, family, wives, girlfriends, school, or other obligations the next day.

This doesn't happen as much with the popular campaigns because any little ground lost to the "night crew" is mostly made up by the time we all log in. We're not fighting to retake the same home keep and reclaim every scroll day after day every day.

It reminds me of an old Greek story:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisyphus

Junipus · March 2016

A lot of times if you come on a campaign completely dominated by one of the other factions, a little PvD with an organised group retaking your back 3 keeps and working on emp circle normally gets you a trickle in effect of pugs followed by the emperor group and lots of fun in a lag free campaign where you get all the AP

vamp_emily · March 2016

tonemd wrote: »

If all you want is a PVE playground in Cyrodiil then at the very least you could whine to ZOS for some interesting quests.

pokes you.

Sounds like you need a play ground to play in.

tonemd · March 2016

vamp_emily wrote: »

tonemd wrote: »

If all you want is a PVE playground in Cyrodiil then at the very least you could whine to ZOS for some interesting quests.

pokes you.

Sounds like you need a play ground to play in.

Not sure if tantalizing or creepy.

Dreyloch · March 2016

Story goes like this folks. DC did well on Haderus last week. EP got butthurt and decided to take every...single...thing. On the map at 3am est U.S. time on a Tuesday.(and i mean EVERYTHING. Every keep, resource,scroll..everything) Tell me who they were competing against? Tell me why they couldn't just take scrolls, inner keeps, crown an emp and call it a day? I'm sure both the other factions wouldn't have said anything if that was the case. Tell me why the very few people I know that play daytime, were immediately met by the emp at home keeps they were trying to get back?

The way this was done was cheap, with no resistance what-so-ever. That's not skill. That's not even reasonable gameplay. What happens next if that persists, is the map will die a very quick death. Horray! for you! You killed another campaign because you played like babies. If you talk to most of the major DC guild leaders, they might take home keeps at prime time. I think that's fair. Everyone has a chance to fight back. But they don't do it when there's no opposition at all at some stupidly early morning hour.

Bascially because there is no real daytime DC presence on Haderus. If we had a bunch of Euro guilds I wouldn't even be posting this.

Edit: had wrong day...3am on a Tues. morning

apostate9 · March 2016

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

Let's look at history... What do all the campaigns that are now gone have in common? Someone made them a single color. So, instead of allowing Haderus to be a competitive campaign, EP just had to go and push everyone to their gates. Are you trying to kill PVP? Are you really wanting to have everyone forced into Trueflame with the lag and hour long queues? Is that what you want? What is it about the fact that people don't want to PVP when you are gate camping that you don't understand?

For gods' sakes, don't make the map one color and let the campaign be competitive. You will get more ap and have more fun with a competitive campaign instead of a dead one color campaign.

Seriously? Team Green has been unrelenting and ruthless in their attempt to punish EP for weeks on end. No indignity should be spared Blue or their girlfriends, Yellow. If the map is red at the moment, it is what you deserve for your terrible strategic decision making and crass play style. The idea the EP are big meanies in Haderus for pushing you to your gates once or twice is risible for its hypocracy. Stop trying to tower farm (badly) at Arrius mine and remember that Blue and Yellow were actually designed to be enemies. Maybe then one of your alliances would get a solid foothold and you would not end up tied for last every single campaign.

apostate9 · March 2016

The_Outsider wrote: »

Are you complaining that a single faction (EP) on a single campaign (Haderus) pushed the other factions to their gates?

...How DARE they! No other factions (DC/AD) have EVER pushed the other two factions to their gates. Nope. Never happened before.

It's like asking the other faction to let you have Emp for a change because they have had it for a real long time...

Or asking the other player to let YOU kill THEM for a change, because it would be more fun and fair for both of you...

The only response is to push back. Such is war.

This. A thousand times, this.