Is it possible to join thief guild without the DLC?

Lord_Ejl · March 2016

My girlfriend would like to join the guild, start thieving, but it's locked completely behind a paywall, even joining in it? She's not really interested in buying the whole DLC, just to test out TG/Thieving around.

Whatzituyah · March 2016

Subscribe? You get access to all DLC as long as you subscribe.

BomblePants · March 2016

Dude..... no....

theher0not · March 2016

Yes you need to own TG. You get acces to the skill line by either opening a TG trove or doing the first quest. And you can't open troves without DLC. And even if you could you would not be able to do anything besides finding those TG chests without DLC since zone is locked for people without TG

Lord_Ejl · March 2016

She's not really into eso much anymore, so she won't be subbing just to test it out. Tried to ask her to test it out on my account, but she was just:"Nah, i'll just do something else."

But good to know, i may buy her the dlc then.

Thevampirenight · March 2016

I wished, and I know others as well would agree, they would make theives guild and dark brotherhood areas free. Both those guilds should be free as well. They planed on adding them to the game and they should have added them without the paywall.
I can see wrothgar, because of the fact its not a guild but a whole new zone. Imperial city should have been free as well. Well imperial city could have been a payed dlc, but yeah theives guild and dark brotherhood no they should not have done the paywall with those.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · March 2016

Just get a one month sub, grab the skill line, then you can open all the troves outside paywall.

UrQuan · March 2016

So the question is: can you do the DLC content without having access to the DLC?

Um, of course not...

Lord_Ejl · March 2016

Nope, the question was: can you join the thieves guild and do heists, thieving with the skill line in main game areas without the DLC. I never said anything about going into the zone doing quests etc.

UrQuan · March 2016

Lord_Ejl wrote: »

Nope, the question was: can you join the thieves guild and do heists, thieving with the skill line in main game areas without the DLC. I never said anything about going into the zone doing quests etc.

That is the DLC content. The Hew's Landing zone is only one part of the DLC content. That's why the zone is so much smaller than the other zones.

Twilanthe · March 2016

Thevampirenight wrote: »

I wished, and I know others as well would agree, they would make theives guild and dark brotherhood areas free. Both those guilds should be free as well. They planed on adding them to the game and they should have added them without the paywall.
I can see wrothgar, because of the fact its not a guild but a whole new zone. Imperial city should have been free as well. Well imperial city could have been a payed dlc, but yeah theives guild and dark brotherhood no they should not have done the paywall with those.

I hear the term "paywall" tossed around a lot, like its such a bad and sinister thing for a company to expect to make a profit on the product/service they provide. Creating DLC costs money, so it makes complete sense to charge money for said product/service in order to not only cover the cost of creating that particular DLC, or maintaining that particular game, but also to make an amount of profit, that can then be turned towards other projects—other games.

The amount of...entitlement that I've seen not just in the ESO community but in the MMO community and even the gaming community at large I find troubling and concerning. (Also in the music/movie/tv consumers who feel they shouldn't have to pay for other people's hard work and so pirate music and movies because they think actors/musicians are rich enough but don't think of all the little people producing the content behind the scenes).

It is a growing trend to expect more for less or even free, as if it is owed to you. It is not. If a person makes a product they have the right to sell that product and benefit from their work/skill.

/rant

Thevampirenight · March 2016

Twilanthe wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

I wished, and I know others as well would agree, they would make theives guild and dark brotherhood areas free. Both those guilds should be free as well. They planed on adding them to the game and they should have added them without the paywall.
I can see wrothgar, because of the fact its not a guild but a whole new zone. Imperial city should have been free as well. Well imperial city could have been a payed dlc, but yeah theives guild and dark brotherhood no they should not have done the paywall with those.

I hear the term "paywall" tossed around a lot, like its such a bad and sinister thing for a company to expect to make a profit on the product/service they provide. Creating DLC costs money, so it makes complete sense to charge money for said product/service in order to not only cover the cost of creating that particular DLC, or maintaining that particular game, but also to make an amount of profit, that can then be turned towards other projects—other games.

The amount of...entitlement that I've seen not just in the ESO community but in the MMO community and even the gaming community at large I find troubling and concerning. (Also in the music/movie/tv consumers who feel they shouldn't have to pay for other people's hard work and so pirate music and movies because they think actors/musicians are rich enough but don't think of all the little people producing the content behind the scenes).

It is a growing trend to expect more for less or even free, as if it is owed to you. It is not. If a person makes a product they have the right to sell that product and benefit from their work/skill.

/rant

Well, basically thieves guild and dark brotherhood has been free for every game, Not sure about daggerfall never really played it, I think it was a dlc there. But thing is those two should have been added as in game features not dlc content, they could have added a bunch of in game crown store costumes and mounts instead of adding those two as dlc. This is what irritates me they are hording onto things we know they have already but they are not releasing it and they basically don't release enough of it. Also the different colored mounts all need to be added as permanent crown store additions not as limited time items, if they have a permanent brown bear, then they should have a snow bear and black bear full time as well.
They are not making money off of hording and not adding these to the game already.
http://elderscrolls.net/2016/02/04/16200-tes-online-budushhee-magazina-tovarov-za-krony-patch-2-3-0/?from=reddit

They need to add whats on that site in the photos, then they would be getting moneys worth off people.
They have some good costumes here, they have some epic looking pets and mounts. People will buy these and that is why they need to add them.
I am not asking for free for everything, but dark brotherhood and thieves guild needs to be added to base content itself not as paywall dlc.

They do need to make money but, there is other ways of going about it, for one also what really would give them possibly lots of money is name change, race change, class change, Customization dlc.
Charater slots would also be a good money maker for them. This would improve the game and also give players options, if they made a mistake and wanted to change something, if they don't like there class anymore they can change it, if they want a name change they can get it. If they want to get a hair cut change body shape tats whatever, they buy the customization dlc, or be subbed. This is what will give them money and is needed for them to really make money off the game itself.

DLCs and costumes and other things, that can be get ingame is not going to get them much without adding the important stuff like name change, race change and customization dlc. As well as character slots, they don't need to add class change but it would be nice but they do need to add the other stuff. Its very important for them to add these features. This is whats going to generate the profit for zenimax.

petraeus1 · March 2016

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Twilanthe wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

I wished, and I know others as well would agree, they would make theives guild and dark brotherhood areas free. Both those guilds should be free as well. They planed on adding them to the game and they should have added them without the paywall.
I can see wrothgar, because of the fact its not a guild but a whole new zone. Imperial city should have been free as well. Well imperial city could have been a payed dlc, but yeah theives guild and dark brotherhood no they should not have done the paywall with those.

I hear the term "paywall" tossed around a lot, like its such a bad and sinister thing for a company to expect to make a profit on the product/service they provide. Creating DLC costs money, so it makes complete sense to charge money for said product/service in order to not only cover the cost of creating that particular DLC, or maintaining that particular game, but also to make an amount of profit, that can then be turned towards other projects—other games.

The amount of...entitlement that I've seen not just in the ESO community but in the MMO community and even the gaming community at large I find troubling and concerning. (Also in the music/movie/tv consumers who feel they shouldn't have to pay for other people's hard work and so pirate music and movies because they think actors/musicians are rich enough but don't think of all the little people producing the content behind the scenes).

It is a growing trend to expect more for less or even free, as if it is owed to you. It is not. If a person makes a product they have the right to sell that product and benefit from their work/skill.

/rant

Well, basically thieves guild and dark brotherhood has been free for every game, Not sure about daggerfall never really played it, I think it was a dlc there. But thing is those two should have been added as in game features not dlc content, they could have added a bunch of in game crown store costumes and mounts instead of adding those two as dlc. This is what irritates me they are hording onto things we know they have already but they are not releasing it and they basically don't release enough of it. Also the different colored mounts all need to be added as permanent crown store additions not as limited time items, if they have a permanent brown bear, then they should have a snow bear and black bear full time as well.
They are not making money off of hording and not adding these to the game already.
http://elderscrolls.net/2016/02/04/16200-tes-online-budushhee-magazina-tovarov-za-krony-patch-2-3-0/?from=reddit

They need to add whats on that site in the photos, then they would be getting moneys worth off people.
They have some good costumes here, they have some epic looking pets and mounts. People will buy these and that is why they need to add them.
I am not asking for free for everything, but dark brotherhood and thieves guild needs to be added to base content itself not as paywall dlc.

Should they, by the same reasoning, also add in Western Skyrim for free (because it was in TES:V)? Or all of Tamriel for that matter (as was in TES:II iirc)? Previous installments of the franchise can't be held as reasons for what should/shouldn't be in the game (apart from matters of lore, perhaps). Let alone be in the game for free. You got what you paid for: vanilla ESO (known to not feature TG and DB). Want more, pay more, as with anything in the world.

UrQuan · March 2016

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Twilanthe wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

I wished, and I know others as well would agree, they would make theives guild and dark brotherhood areas free. Both those guilds should be free as well. They planed on adding them to the game and they should have added them without the paywall.
I can see wrothgar, because of the fact its not a guild but a whole new zone. Imperial city should have been free as well. Well imperial city could have been a payed dlc, but yeah theives guild and dark brotherhood no they should not have done the paywall with those.

I hear the term "paywall" tossed around a lot, like its such a bad and sinister thing for a company to expect to make a profit on the product/service they provide. Creating DLC costs money, so it makes complete sense to charge money for said product/service in order to not only cover the cost of creating that particular DLC, or maintaining that particular game, but also to make an amount of profit, that can then be turned towards other projects—other games.

The amount of...entitlement that I've seen not just in the ESO community but in the MMO community and even the gaming community at large I find troubling and concerning. (Also in the music/movie/tv consumers who feel they shouldn't have to pay for other people's hard work and so pirate music and movies because they think actors/musicians are rich enough but don't think of all the little people producing the content behind the scenes).

It is a growing trend to expect more for less or even free, as if it is owed to you. It is not. If a person makes a product they have the right to sell that product and benefit from their work/skill.

/rant

Well, basically thieves guild and dark brotherhood has been free for every game, Not sure about daggerfall never really played it, I think it was a dlc there. But thing is those two should have been added as in game features not dlc content, they could have added a bunch of in game crown store costumes and mounts instead of adding those two as dlc. This is what irritates me they are hording onto things we know they have already but they are not releasing it and they basically don't release enough of it. Also the different colored mounts all need to be added as permanent crown store additions not as limited time items, if they have a permanent brown bear, then they should have a snow bear and black bear full time as well.
They are not making money off of hording and not adding these to the game already.
http://elderscrolls.net/2016/02/04/16200-tes-online-budushhee-magazina-tovarov-za-krony-patch-2-3-0/?from=reddit

They need to add whats on that site in the photos, then they would be getting moneys worth off people.
They have some good costumes here, they have some epic looking pets and mounts. People will buy these and that is why they need to add them.
I am not asking for free for everything, but dark brotherhood and thieves guild needs to be added to base content itself not as paywall dlc.

And they would have been "free" if they had been able to stick to the subscription-only model. You know, when the entire game was behind a "paywall".

Twilanthe · March 2016

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Well, basically thieves guild and dark brotherhood has been free for every game, Not sure about daggerfall never really played it, I think it was a dlc there. But thing is those two should have been added as in game features not dlc content, they could have added a bunch of in game crown store costumes and mounts instead of adding those two as dlc. This is what irritates me they are hording onto things we know they have already but they are not releasing it and they basically don't release enough of it. Also the different colored mounts all need to be added as permanent crown store additions not as limited time items, if they have a permanent brown bear, then they should have a snow bear and black bear full time as well.
They are not making money off of hording and not adding these to the game already.
http://elderscrolls.net/2016/02/04/16200-tes-online-budushhee-magazina-tovarov-za-krony-patch-2-3-0/?from=reddit

They need to add whats on that site in the photos, then they would be getting moneys worth off people.
They have some good costumes here, they have some epic looking pets and mounts. People will buy these and that is why they need to add them.
I am not asking for free for everything, but dark brotherhood and thieves guild needs to be added to base content itself not as paywall dlc.

They do need to make money but, there is other ways of going about it, for one also what really would give them possibly lots of money is name change, race change, class change, Customization dlc.
Charater slots would also be a good money maker for them. This would improve the game and also give players options, if they made a mistake and wanted to change something, if they don't like there class anymore they can change it, if they want a name change they can get it. If they want to get a hair cut change body shape tats whatever, they buy the customization dlc, or be subbed. This is what will give them money and is needed for them to really make money off the game itself.

DLCs and costumes and other things, that can be get ingame is not going to get them much without adding the important stuff like name change, race change and customization dlc. As well as character slots, they don't need to add class change but it would be nice but they do need to add the other stuff. Its very important for them to add these features. This is whats going to generate the profit for zenimax.

Except this isn't a single player game, its an MMO.

Enodoc · March 2016

UrQuan wrote: »

Lord_Ejl wrote: »

Nope, the question was: can you join the thieves guild and do heists, thieving with the skill line in main game areas without the DLC. I never said anything about going into the zone doing quests etc.

That is the DLC content. The Hew's Landing zone is only one part of the DLC content. That's why the zone is so much smaller than the other zones.

Yeah, unlike Orsinium/Wrothgar, this DLC isn't really "the zone". The purpose of the DLC is to access the Thieves Guild and its associated features, the zone was just a bonus (and one that I wasn't expecting; I thought it would primarily just be new quests in old zones).

Thevampirenight · March 2016

I am mainly opposed to paywall bared off zones, they could bar people from doing hte content and main story and all the costumes and trials, but leave those areas open to be explored by everyone, this would give rpers like me and others rp spots because the new dlc does add the best rp looking spots in the game. It would not bother me as much if they barred off content this way, then barring a whole zone such as hews bane, I can see wrothgar but not hews landing.

Hews landing makes sense for a good open social zone for rpers and all that they need to do is bar off the main content don't need to make the whole zone itself paywall.
Thing is some people possibly can't afford sub, or paying money for dlcs. Some won't do it because they are disgusted with Zenimax and won't pay a dime towards them other then what they payed to get the game itself.

We got people out there like that, I have subbed, and I will buy cool crown store items if I like them enough to do so. I am willing to pay them. But thing is, it would be harder to get rpers together in some of the best rp looking spots when zones are locked out , and some of the people I have talked with in game said they will not touch there wallets in order to pay for the dlc to gain access. Most people will try and buy the new content because they want to do it. Others will not touch it because of personal reasons, or money is to tight for them. Others will keep subbing and stay accessed to everything out there.

Troneon · March 2016

Kinda lame I know for something that should of been in the game since launch....

LMar · March 2016

You (or she) can still go around thieving. The justice system was introduced some time ago now and you can go around sneaking in other people's locked houses and steal from them or even pickpocket anyone you can. You can then fence off or launder the items.
So you can still be a thief , just not in the Thieves Guild. Think of it as being independent. The guards will still chase you and try to kill you anyway :P

babylon · March 2016

Let her know Thieves Guild DLC is awesome, and she can confidently go buy it and know she's going to love it