ESO Holding Back Skyrim for XB1?
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Lysette sure has a point, but one must consider, that not all ppl who like TES also play ESO... so I think, and I'm really not an economy-expert, but I think that a single player game sure has enough selling potetntial that's worth the development. There are still enough people out there who just don't play MMOs, and I can imagine, that these people are not few.
I think it's just a matter of time when TES6 comes out, not regarding if ESO is doing well or not. Like KhajiitiLizard said, look at the Final Fantasy series. And TES is a well known name in the gaming world as well.Edited by animositysominab16_ESO on March 15, 2016 5:53AM1 -
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✭FriedEggSandwich wrote: »FriedEggSandwich wrote: »FriedEggSandwich wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »Bethesda, as far as I am aware, are not involved with ESO in any way, shape, or form. It caters to a specific type of customer, completely separate from what they've done with the franchise thus far.
I find it highly unlikely that ESO will interfere with development of TES: VI, and if it does the impact will be minimal. I imagine it will be built on a new engine, or at least I hope so, which means they won't be able to re-use as much (if anything) in the development of a new game. That will, of course, lengthen the process considerably.
I don't really know much, or anything really, about game development. I do know, however, that ZOS would not be foolish enough to kill off the single-player franchise.
Bethesda would never use a modified hero engine for their game... and a TES6 game would destroy ESO....so the parent company Zenimax, would squash it.
The parent company of Bethesda is Zenimax Media inc, not ZOS. Zenimax Media inc also own ID Software and a load of other big publishers/developers, they wouldn't have any specific interest in ZOS. Bethesda own the TES IP but that is the extent of their involvment with ESO, they haven't had to invest any resources into the development of ESO and therefore ESO shouldn't have any impact on the development of TES6.
These guys do business - they have investors - they do not f*ck around, they have to deliver, not games, but return on investment - the whole organisation is involved in this and interconnected. They do not deliver, their investors will not be happy and this means management skulls roll - they do not kill themselves by decisions which do not make investors happy.
My point was they wouldn't just favour a company based on it sharing a name. The comment I replied to said that Zenimax Media inc would squash tes6 because tes6 would destroy eso. Doesn't sound like good reasoning is all.
not destroy it - sure it won't - but it takes away income from ESO for a while - they get more on one leg "Bethesda" and less on the other leg "ZOS" where they are standing on - so the balance of it is - not really a lot more at all - but they had the costs of development and need to cover them - the longer TES6 players do not spend money in ESO, the more loss it is in the end - that is why they do not do that - it would economically be silly.
But why do you think Zenimax Media inc would prefer the success of eso to the potential success of tes6? I would imagine tes6 had greater potential to earn than eso. Yeah eso has the whole cash shop thing but tes6 would be much more mainstream and sell multiple times more, with dlc. I'm not an expert on these things, just going on gut feeling so I'm prepared to be wrong.
It cost as well a lot more - and win is basically just shifted from one source of income (ZOS) to another one (Bethesda) - that is not really more win for the whole Zenimax group, if you take it from one source and put it on another - while if Bethesda works on something unrelated, what they currently do, this will be an additional source of income, which can cover the development costs easily (well, if it is successful that is).
I see your point. I just think the TES single player franchise is too big for them to just ignore like that, especially as ESO probably hasn't proved its worth yet. Idk, if ESO dies now would they have made much money? TES6 would be a guaranteed profit for all involved surely, by a predictable margin. Besides I don't actually believe that ESO and the TES single player games compete all that much. People play single player games and mmos for different reasons, they could coexist easily I think.PC | EU0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭animositysominab16_ESO wrote: »Lysette sure has a point, but one must consider, that not all ppl who like TES also play ESO... so I think, and I'm really not an economy-expert, but I think that a single player game sure has enough selling potetntial that's worth the development. There are still enough people out there who just don't play MMOs, and I can imagine, that these people are not few.
I think it's just a matter of time when TES6 comes out, not regarding if ESO is doing well or not. Like KhajiitiLizard said, look at the Final Fantasy series. And TES is a well known name in the gaming world as well.
I hold against it, that the longer they delay TES6, the more those who love TES games but did not try ESO yet might give it a try. So their money could be raked in with not having to spend a dime more - if they just delay TES6 for long enough.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭FriedEggSandwich wrote: »FriedEggSandwich wrote: »FriedEggSandwich wrote: »FriedEggSandwich wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »Bethesda, as far as I am aware, are not involved with ESO in any way, shape, or form. It caters to a specific type of customer, completely separate from what they've done with the franchise thus far.
I find it highly unlikely that ESO will interfere with development of TES: VI, and if it does the impact will be minimal. I imagine it will be built on a new engine, or at least I hope so, which means they won't be able to re-use as much (if anything) in the development of a new game. That will, of course, lengthen the process considerably.
I don't really know much, or anything really, about game development. I do know, however, that ZOS would not be foolish enough to kill off the single-player franchise.
Bethesda would never use a modified hero engine for their game... and a TES6 game would destroy ESO....so the parent company Zenimax, would squash it.
The parent company of Bethesda is Zenimax Media inc, not ZOS. Zenimax Media inc also own ID Software and a load of other big publishers/developers, they wouldn't have any specific interest in ZOS. Bethesda own the TES IP but that is the extent of their involvment with ESO, they haven't had to invest any resources into the development of ESO and therefore ESO shouldn't have any impact on the development of TES6.
These guys do business - they have investors - they do not f*ck around, they have to deliver, not games, but return on investment - the whole organisation is involved in this and interconnected. They do not deliver, their investors will not be happy and this means management skulls roll - they do not kill themselves by decisions which do not make investors happy.
My point was they wouldn't just favour a company based on it sharing a name. The comment I replied to said that Zenimax Media inc would squash tes6 because tes6 would destroy eso. Doesn't sound like good reasoning is all.
not destroy it - sure it won't - but it takes away income from ESO for a while - they get more on one leg "Bethesda" and less on the other leg "ZOS" where they are standing on - so the balance of it is - not really a lot more at all - but they had the costs of development and need to cover them - the longer TES6 players do not spend money in ESO, the more loss it is in the end - that is why they do not do that - it would economically be silly.
But why do you think Zenimax Media inc would prefer the success of eso to the potential success of tes6? I would imagine tes6 had greater potential to earn than eso. Yeah eso has the whole cash shop thing but tes6 would be much more mainstream and sell multiple times more, with dlc. I'm not an expert on these things, just going on gut feeling so I'm prepared to be wrong.
It cost as well a lot more - and win is basically just shifted from one source of income (ZOS) to another one (Bethesda) - that is not really more win for the whole Zenimax group, if you take it from one source and put it on another - while if Bethesda works on something unrelated, what they currently do, this will be an additional source of income, which can cover the development costs easily (well, if it is successful that is).
I see your point. I just think the TES single player franchise is too big for them to just ignore like that, especially as ESO probably hasn't proved its worth yet. Idk, if ESO dies now would they have made much money? TES6 would be a guaranteed profit for all involved surely, by a predictable margin. Besides I don't actually believe that ESO and the TES single player games compete all that much. People play single player games and mmos for different reasons, they could coexist easily I think.
See, for me and maybe a lot of TES fans ESO is just an online version of TES - it feels like that and Pvp is well in it's ghetto in Cyrrodil, far away and out of sight. And that is what is the direction of this game - it will feel more and more like an online Elder Scrolls RPG and that is what Mr. Firor has in mind with ESO - he stated that lately in an interview. It will become more and more attractive for TES fans - it is what it was meant to be "Elder Scrolls with friends" - it is not a typical MMO.
Edit: ESO is not any near to dying - they are not in vain satisfied for where they are now - because they felt the boots of their investors with the failure of the first ESO and had to make vital changes to get it on a winning lane again - but with the relaunch of ESO:TU they finally got it right - now they have to learn how to polish and fix their game - and to put effort into that, if they want it to succeed for a longer time.Edited by Lysette on March 15, 2016 6:08AM1 -
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✭FriedEggSandwich wrote: »FriedEggSandwich wrote: »FriedEggSandwich wrote: »FriedEggSandwich wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »Bethesda, as far as I am aware, are not involved with ESO in any way, shape, or form. It caters to a specific type of customer, completely separate from what they've done with the franchise thus far.
I find it highly unlikely that ESO will interfere with development of TES: VI, and if it does the impact will be minimal. I imagine it will be built on a new engine, or at least I hope so, which means they won't be able to re-use as much (if anything) in the development of a new game. That will, of course, lengthen the process considerably.
I don't really know much, or anything really, about game development. I do know, however, that ZOS would not be foolish enough to kill off the single-player franchise.
Bethesda would never use a modified hero engine for their game... and a TES6 game would destroy ESO....so the parent company Zenimax, would squash it.
The parent company of Bethesda is Zenimax Media inc, not ZOS. Zenimax Media inc also own ID Software and a load of other big publishers/developers, they wouldn't have any specific interest in ZOS. Bethesda own the TES IP but that is the extent of their involvment with ESO, they haven't had to invest any resources into the development of ESO and therefore ESO shouldn't have any impact on the development of TES6.
These guys do business - they have investors - they do not f*ck around, they have to deliver, not games, but return on investment - the whole organisation is involved in this and interconnected. They do not deliver, their investors will not be happy and this means management skulls roll - they do not kill themselves by decisions which do not make investors happy.
My point was they wouldn't just favour a company based on it sharing a name. The comment I replied to said that Zenimax Media inc would squash tes6 because tes6 would destroy eso. Doesn't sound like good reasoning is all.
not destroy it - sure it won't - but it takes away income from ESO for a while - they get more on one leg "Bethesda" and less on the other leg "ZOS" where they are standing on - so the balance of it is - not really a lot more at all - but they had the costs of development and need to cover them - the longer TES6 players do not spend money in ESO, the more loss it is in the end - that is why they do not do that - it would economically be silly.
But why do you think Zenimax Media inc would prefer the success of eso to the potential success of tes6? I would imagine tes6 had greater potential to earn than eso. Yeah eso has the whole cash shop thing but tes6 would be much more mainstream and sell multiple times more, with dlc. I'm not an expert on these things, just going on gut feeling so I'm prepared to be wrong.
It cost as well a lot more - and win is basically just shifted from one source of income (ZOS) to another one (Bethesda) - that is not really more win for the whole Zenimax group, if you take it from one source and put it on another - while if Bethesda works on something unrelated, what they currently do, this will be an additional source of income, which can cover the development costs easily (well, if it is successful that is).
I see your point. I just think the TES single player franchise is too big for them to just ignore like that, especially as ESO probably hasn't proved its worth yet. Idk, if ESO dies now would they have made much money? TES6 would be a guaranteed profit for all involved surely, by a predictable margin. Besides I don't actually believe that ESO and the TES single player games compete all that much. People play single player games and mmos for different reasons, they could coexist easily I think.
See, for me and maybe a lot of TES fans ESO is just an online version of TES - it feels like that and Pvp is well in it's ghetto in Cyrrodil, far away and out of sight. And that is what is the direction of this game - it will feel more and more like an online Elder Scrolls RPG and that is what Mr. Firor has in mind with ESO - he stated that lately in an interview. It will become more and more attractive for TES fans - it is what it was meant to be "Elder Scrolls with friends" - it is not a typical MMO.
That would be a shame if it were true. Skyrim is a million times more immersive than eso, it's easy to compare; just visit riften in skyrim then pop into riften in eso. They would do better to actually add co-op functionality to future TES games. I play eso for the pvp pew pew in a TES setting, I still have a desire to play single-player games and therefore tes games.PC | EU0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭FriedEggSandwich wrote: »FriedEggSandwich wrote: »FriedEggSandwich wrote: »FriedEggSandwich wrote: »FriedEggSandwich wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »Bethesda, as far as I am aware, are not involved with ESO in any way, shape, or form. It caters to a specific type of customer, completely separate from what they've done with the franchise thus far.
I find it highly unlikely that ESO will interfere with development of TES: VI, and if it does the impact will be minimal. I imagine it will be built on a new engine, or at least I hope so, which means they won't be able to re-use as much (if anything) in the development of a new game. That will, of course, lengthen the process considerably.
I don't really know much, or anything really, about game development. I do know, however, that ZOS would not be foolish enough to kill off the single-player franchise.
Bethesda would never use a modified hero engine for their game... and a TES6 game would destroy ESO....so the parent company Zenimax, would squash it.
The parent company of Bethesda is Zenimax Media inc, not ZOS. Zenimax Media inc also own ID Software and a load of other big publishers/developers, they wouldn't have any specific interest in ZOS. Bethesda own the TES IP but that is the extent of their involvment with ESO, they haven't had to invest any resources into the development of ESO and therefore ESO shouldn't have any impact on the development of TES6.
These guys do business - they have investors - they do not f*ck around, they have to deliver, not games, but return on investment - the whole organisation is involved in this and interconnected. They do not deliver, their investors will not be happy and this means management skulls roll - they do not kill themselves by decisions which do not make investors happy.
My point was they wouldn't just favour a company based on it sharing a name. The comment I replied to said that Zenimax Media inc would squash tes6 because tes6 would destroy eso. Doesn't sound like good reasoning is all.
not destroy it - sure it won't - but it takes away income from ESO for a while - they get more on one leg "Bethesda" and less on the other leg "ZOS" where they are standing on - so the balance of it is - not really a lot more at all - but they had the costs of development and need to cover them - the longer TES6 players do not spend money in ESO, the more loss it is in the end - that is why they do not do that - it would economically be silly.
But why do you think Zenimax Media inc would prefer the success of eso to the potential success of tes6? I would imagine tes6 had greater potential to earn than eso. Yeah eso has the whole cash shop thing but tes6 would be much more mainstream and sell multiple times more, with dlc. I'm not an expert on these things, just going on gut feeling so I'm prepared to be wrong.
It cost as well a lot more - and win is basically just shifted from one source of income (ZOS) to another one (Bethesda) - that is not really more win for the whole Zenimax group, if you take it from one source and put it on another - while if Bethesda works on something unrelated, what they currently do, this will be an additional source of income, which can cover the development costs easily (well, if it is successful that is).
I see your point. I just think the TES single player franchise is too big for them to just ignore like that, especially as ESO probably hasn't proved its worth yet. Idk, if ESO dies now would they have made much money? TES6 would be a guaranteed profit for all involved surely, by a predictable margin. Besides I don't actually believe that ESO and the TES single player games compete all that much. People play single player games and mmos for different reasons, they could coexist easily I think.
See, for me and maybe a lot of TES fans ESO is just an online version of TES - it feels like that and Pvp is well in it's ghetto in Cyrrodil, far away and out of sight. And that is what is the direction of this game - it will feel more and more like an online Elder Scrolls RPG and that is what Mr. Firor has in mind with ESO - he stated that lately in an interview. It will become more and more attractive for TES fans - it is what it was meant to be "Elder Scrolls with friends" - it is not a typical MMO.
That would be a shame if it were true. Skyrim is a million times more immersive than eso, it's easy to compare; just visit riften in skyrim then pop into riften in eso. They would do better to actually add co-op functionality to future TES games. I play eso for the pvp pew pew in a TES setting, I still have a desire to play single-player games and therefore tes games.
I can see why it makes sense for you - to me it is different - i am not that much interested into pvp - well, I would, if this game would not attract the griefer-predator type of MMO shark - I do not like these people and don't want to play with them, simple as that - so PvP is not what I want - I want "Elder Scrolls with friends" - mainly playable solo, sometimes together with good friends.
As I am a casual player I would anyway never get to the point to be competitive either, simply because I do not have the time to grind my way up there, and I see as well no reason to do so. To me this game will have endless content which is faster delivered than I could play through it - so it is ideal to me - and for casual players - I will subcribe for years, if ZOS is not p*ssing me off with something really nasty which would ruin my role play - but otherwise, they have my money for as long as the servers will be up - I will most likely buy most in the crown shop items, if they are of a good quality - so win-win for both of us - ZOS and me. And so are a lot of other TES fans as well - casual players, who hope for having a TES home for years to come in ESO.2 -
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✭FriedEggSandwich wrote: »FriedEggSandwich wrote: »FriedEggSandwich wrote: »FriedEggSandwich wrote: »FriedEggSandwich wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »Bethesda, as far as I am aware, are not involved with ESO in any way, shape, or form. It caters to a specific type of customer, completely separate from what they've done with the franchise thus far.
I find it highly unlikely that ESO will interfere with development of TES: VI, and if it does the impact will be minimal. I imagine it will be built on a new engine, or at least I hope so, which means they won't be able to re-use as much (if anything) in the development of a new game. That will, of course, lengthen the process considerably.
I don't really know much, or anything really, about game development. I do know, however, that ZOS would not be foolish enough to kill off the single-player franchise.
Bethesda would never use a modified hero engine for their game... and a TES6 game would destroy ESO....so the parent company Zenimax, would squash it.
The parent company of Bethesda is Zenimax Media inc, not ZOS. Zenimax Media inc also own ID Software and a load of other big publishers/developers, they wouldn't have any specific interest in ZOS. Bethesda own the TES IP but that is the extent of their involvment with ESO, they haven't had to invest any resources into the development of ESO and therefore ESO shouldn't have any impact on the development of TES6.
These guys do business - they have investors - they do not f*ck around, they have to deliver, not games, but return on investment - the whole organisation is involved in this and interconnected. They do not deliver, their investors will not be happy and this means management skulls roll - they do not kill themselves by decisions which do not make investors happy.
My point was they wouldn't just favour a company based on it sharing a name. The comment I replied to said that Zenimax Media inc would squash tes6 because tes6 would destroy eso. Doesn't sound like good reasoning is all.
not destroy it - sure it won't - but it takes away income from ESO for a while - they get more on one leg "Bethesda" and less on the other leg "ZOS" where they are standing on - so the balance of it is - not really a lot more at all - but they had the costs of development and need to cover them - the longer TES6 players do not spend money in ESO, the more loss it is in the end - that is why they do not do that - it would economically be silly.
But why do you think Zenimax Media inc would prefer the success of eso to the potential success of tes6? I would imagine tes6 had greater potential to earn than eso. Yeah eso has the whole cash shop thing but tes6 would be much more mainstream and sell multiple times more, with dlc. I'm not an expert on these things, just going on gut feeling so I'm prepared to be wrong.
It cost as well a lot more - and win is basically just shifted from one source of income (ZOS) to another one (Bethesda) - that is not really more win for the whole Zenimax group, if you take it from one source and put it on another - while if Bethesda works on something unrelated, what they currently do, this will be an additional source of income, which can cover the development costs easily (well, if it is successful that is).
I see your point. I just think the TES single player franchise is too big for them to just ignore like that, especially as ESO probably hasn't proved its worth yet. Idk, if ESO dies now would they have made much money? TES6 would be a guaranteed profit for all involved surely, by a predictable margin. Besides I don't actually believe that ESO and the TES single player games compete all that much. People play single player games and mmos for different reasons, they could coexist easily I think.
See, for me and maybe a lot of TES fans ESO is just an online version of TES - it feels like that and Pvp is well in it's ghetto in Cyrrodil, far away and out of sight. And that is what is the direction of this game - it will feel more and more like an online Elder Scrolls RPG and that is what Mr. Firor has in mind with ESO - he stated that lately in an interview. It will become more and more attractive for TES fans - it is what it was meant to be "Elder Scrolls with friends" - it is not a typical MMO.
That would be a shame if it were true. Skyrim is a million times more immersive than eso, it's easy to compare; just visit riften in skyrim then pop into riften in eso. They would do better to actually add co-op functionality to future TES games. I play eso for the pvp pew pew in a TES setting, I still have a desire to play single-player games and therefore tes games.
I can see why it makes sense for you - to me it is different - i am not that much interested into pvp - well, I would, if this game would not attract the griefer-predator type of MMO shark - I do not like these people and don't want to play with them, simple as that - so PvP is not what I want - I want "Elder Scrolls with friends" - mainly playable solo, sometimes together with good friends.
As I am a casual player I would anyway never get to the point to be competitive either, simply because I do not have the time to grind my way up there, and I see as well no reason to do so. To me this game will have endless content which is faster delivered than I could play through it - so it is ideal to me - and for casual players - I will subcribe for years, if ZOS is not p*ssing me off with something really nasty which would ruin my role play - but otherwise, they have my money for as long as the servers will be up - I will most likely buy most in the crown shop items, if they are of a good quality - so win-win for both of us - ZOS and me. And so are a lot of other TES fans as well - casual players, who hope for having a TES home for years to come in ESO.
There are 3 main elements that I crave from a game; progression (story, character or tech), pvp and sandbox (base building etc.) In the past I got my progression fix from games like skyrim, my pvp fix from shooters like cod and battlefield and my sandbox fix from games like minecraft (modded). So far no one game has hit all the spots for me. ESO has got the closest though; right now I can get my progression and pvp fix in one place, but I still have to go to games like minecraft, don't starve and subnautica for my sandbox fix. If zos fixed pvp lag/bugs and added a robust sandbox element with tech progression and everything, I could also play for years. As it stands though I will probably stop playing eso when the pvp dies, cos the progression has slowed down.PC | EU0 -
Elektrakosh✭✭✭If Bethesda would make it backwards compatible, I'd leave ESO to play it again. Since I have my ye olde 360, I can play Skyrim whenever I wish.... Oh, I'm now playing it!
Sorry, I've had my fill of ESO (I prefer shorts bursts of play because of class issues, mechanics and my favourite race being the butt of jokes and dreadful passives) Back to dragonslaying for me. Alduin, I'm a comin' to get ya!
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RazielSR✭✭✭✭✭Depresssing!! Do not say that about that we will never see TES VI!! This kind of conversations appeared and still appearing a lot in the official TES forums. Imho I think you have to be blind to not see that ESO is affecting A LOT AND IN A BAD WAY the release of TES VI. Im sure Zenimax told Beth to stay away from TES games for a while.
But you have to be mad to think we will never see TESVI. They will milk ESO first,thats for sure.
I think we will know about TESVI E3 2017.
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R1ckyDaMan✭✭✭✭If they did not make another es game because of this not very es mmo they would basically be throwing very large piles of cash away.1 -
Selstad✭✭✭✭TES and ESO are so to speak targeting different markets, so I have no doubt that TES will happen, but Bethesda is currently working on Doom so that's why we haven't heard anything.
There are some overlapping in the TES and ESO market, meaning that some TES players are playing ESO, but TES is also a single player minded game while ESO is an online MMO minded game, so they won't compete directly against each other, and the hype for TES might as well prove positive for ESO in getting people into the Elder scrolls hype, and that way want to try the online MMO game as well.
So no, I don't think that TES will suffer the same poor faith that Warcraft suffered, with Warcraft 3: The frozen throne being the last good story in the Warcraft lore (the Warcraft lore is now a corps artificially held alive by Blizzard, all it does is beg for mercy and a swift death). There's so much lore in the Elder scrolls universe, so many stories never told in a game format, and the market so massive that there's room for both an Elder scrolls single player game, and a multiplayer game.0 -
Lolssi✭✭✭I don't have any faith Bethesda delivering good rpg anymore. Skyrim was disaster and shame on me for believing Fallout 4 would be different.
So far ESO has been (for me) better single player rpg than anything Bethesda has delivered in this decade. Better, stories quests and world that changes after quest.Edited by Lolssi on March 15, 2016 11:43AM1 -
RazielSR✭✭✭✭✭TES and ESO are so to speak targeting different markets, so I have no doubt that TES will happen, but Bethesda is currently working on Doom so that's why we haven't heard anything.
There are some overlapping in the TES and ESO market, meaning that some TES players are playing ESO, but TES is also a single player minded game while ESO is an online MMO minded game, so they won't compete directly against each other, and the hype for TES might as well prove positive for ESO in getting people into the Elder scrolls hype, and that way want to try the online MMO game as well.
So no, I don't think that TES will suffer the same poor faith that Warcraft suffered, with Warcraft 3: The frozen throne being the last good story in the Warcraft lore (the Warcraft lore is now a corps artificially held alive by Blizzard, all it does is beg for mercy and a swift death). There's so much lore in the Elder scrolls universe, so many stories never told in a game format, and the market so massive that there's room for both an Elder scrolls single player game, and a multiplayer game.
Bethesda is not working on Doom. As usual,people still misleasing things regarding of what Bethesda is as a publisher and as a developer. Bethesda softworks is not the same as Bethesda game studios.
Bethesda is working on Fallout 4 dlcs and 3 new things/projects Todd said.Edited by RazielSR on March 15, 2016 11:56AM0 -
Selstad✭✭✭✭You're absolutely right, Doom is of course in development by ID and published by Bethesda Softworks, in my defence I only had 2 sips of coffee onboard at the time of writing
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✭✭✭✭✭For those saying Zenimax Media won't allow a TES:VI you are aware of how well Fallout 4 just did right?
Zenimax as a parent company would be stupid to deny Bethesda the chance to make TES:VI, honestly I think they'll have it as they always have and some will leave for it, some will stay here as they want multiplayer and an MMO.
They're entirely different games, those who want single player TES are probably not staying with this any way, regardless of if TES:VI exists.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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ContraTempo✭✭✭✭It's really not an either-or question. They can do both, and will if they see profit in it. They have not so saturated the market that we have to assume one product will cannibalize they other's sales. They sell to different but overlapping audiences. If anything I think they will actually help one another's sales. I'm sure the experience many have had with the Skyrim game would increase interest if ZoS introduced a ESO DLC for Skyrim.ContraTempo
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GrigorijMalahevich✭✭✭✭✭TES: VI - will be made as addition to ESO and you will be able to play it solo or with friends and players will be able to join standard fractions. Two games one universe or smth...
You remember those awesome times when you thought how cool it would be to play Skyrim with your friends and after completing the main quest line - you actually have something to do, not just t-bag dragons. I was pissed off, that I got main crafting skills in Skyrim only after completing the whole game, so no point to run around in dragon armor...
P.S. I think ESO should be advertised as Skyrim Online (obviously it isn't, but who cares).
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✭✭✭✭✭I have to laugh when people think that developing an MMO is easier, cheaper and takes less time than a singe-player game like Skyrim. They've both spent YEARS in development and rumor has it that ESO cost $200M to make... now even if it was only half that, you can see that it still cost a huge amount of money that I think a lot of players are forgetting. Thus, ESO is most likely still trying to recoup their initial development costs and trying to appease worried investors... and let's not bring up the $1M give-away because that was tax deductible as a Marketing expense anyway.
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✭They don't even have the same teams, so nope its not holding it back.
They just got done with Fallout 4 the studio that makes the single player elder scrolls games how many years passed after fallout 3 before the next elder scrolls game, and think of that time frame more or less.0 -
GreenGhostMan✭✭✭c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »Bethesda, as far as I am aware, are not involved with ESO in any way, shape, or form. It caters to a specific type of customer, completely separate from what they've done with the franchise thus far.
I find it highly unlikely that ESO will interfere with development of TES: VI, and if it does the impact will be minimal. I imagine it will be built on a new engine, or at least I hope so, which means they won't be able to re-use as much (if anything) in the development of a new game. That will, of course, lengthen the process considerably.
I don't really know much, or anything really, about game development. I do know, however, that ZOS would not be foolish enough to kill off the single-player franchise.
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✭✭✭✭✭Dagoth_Rac wrote: »TES6 will be a goldmine for Bethesda. No way they will not make it. They are almost certainly working on it right as we speak, especially now that Fallout 4 is completed. And the increased interest in all things Elder Scrolls when a TES6 comes would likely benefit ESO.
Todd Howard said, they are working on projects which are unlike anything they did before - so no TES6 in development.
And it is not a goldmine - if income is just shifted from one Zenimax sub-company to another one - that is the same amount of money in the same organisation - but much higher costs - for not more gain - that would be pretty stupid to do that. instead Bethesda works on something else - this will bring in new money, not just shift it around in the Zenimax organisation.
Skyrim sold over 20 million copies of the game, and has grossed well over 1 billion dollars.
ESO had at most 5 million people registered for beta, and it is estimated they sold maybe 2 million copies.
This is not a "shift" of money. The single player game simply has a much bigger potential audience than the mmo will ever have.
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✭✭✭✭✭For those saying Zenimax Media won't allow a TES:VI you are aware of how well Fallout 4 just did right?
Zenimax as a parent company would be stupid to deny Bethesda the chance to make TES:VI, honestly I think they'll have it as they always have and some will leave for it, some will stay here as they want multiplayer and an MMO.
They're entirely different games, those who want single player TES are probably not staying with this any way, regardless of if TES:VI exists.
And why wouldn't they exactly?- I gave my reasoning why I will stay with ESO for years, if it is continuing to go into the direction which Mr. Firor has pointed out - that is exactly what a casual TES player wants and there are plenty of us around. It is already mainly solo play - from my perspective - but I can group with others sometimes - that is all I want basically. I am still playing Oblivion and Skyrim sometimes - but ...after a while it feels lonely. I don't know if I can ever go back to a pure single player TES game and play it for hours - I can already not do that with Fallout 4 anymore. I am missing people, these games feel lonely now. Did you play any of the single player TES games lately?- And maybe made the same experience? Or is it just me?1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »Bethesda, as far as I am aware, are not involved with ESO in any way, shape, or form. It caters to a specific type of customer, completely separate from what they've done with the franchise thus far.
I find it highly unlikely that ESO will interfere with development of TES: VI, and if it does the impact will be minimal. I imagine it will be built on a new engine, or at least I hope so, which means they won't be able to re-use as much (if anything) in the development of a new game. That will, of course, lengthen the process considerably.
I don't really know much, or anything really, about game development. I do know, however, that ZOS would not be foolish enough to kill off the single-player franchise.
To me, some game development priorities and customs are alien, but they are still in the business to make money. If they can do that without spending (much) money, that will be attractive on some level.
One thing that the long gaps between Bethesda Game Studio titles provides is an environment where a sequel is not being placed into the market while the prior game is still selling well on its own. My thinking is that if something is still generating revenue, it costs very little to just let it keep doing that. It's like swimming during a downpour... you aren't getting any wetter.
I think that Bethesda will do Skyrim on both XBox One and PS4. They might want to do both at, or about, the same time. Depending on how much it costs them to roll this out, of course. If they can do it cheap enough, it is likely to be lots of revenue and a high rate of return. This could serve to reduce the pressure to produce TES 6.
Between success of ESO and Skyrim and the revenue they are generating, I think they have a lot of time before they need to come back to the TES world with another single player game. The way Todd Howard talks, they are off on a new adventure right now, the nature of which we probably won't know until 2017 or 2018.
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sekou_trayvond✭✭✭✭✭My thoughts/theories:
1. As Lysette has noted above, Todd Howard's team appears done with Elder Scrolls games.
2. Previous point does not preclude Zenimax from offering up the series to a different development team.
3. ANY new single player Elder Scrolls game would be a serious conundrum for Zenimax. In effect, Zenimax would be offering competing products to their ES franchise fans. This doesn't seem like great business. (Sidebar: has any publisher done this previous? Offer up a MMO and single player game within the same franchise? Simultaneously?)
4. All of which is to say, I'm skeptical of a new single player game within the next five years (at minimum).
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✭✭✭✭✭I have to laugh when people think that developing an MMO is easier, cheaper and takes less time than a singe-player game like Skyrim. They've both spent YEARS in development and rumor has it that ESO cost $200M to make... now even if it was only half that, you can see that it still cost a huge amount of money that I think a lot of players are forgetting. Thus, ESO is most likely still trying to recoup their initial development costs and trying to appease worried investors... and let's not bring up the $1M give-away because that was tax deductible as a Marketing expense anyway.
So if ES6 is going to be made, it will take several YEARS to appear... so if they haven't already been putting time into its development, than anyone expecting it before 2020 is fooling themselves; if they started on it now, they might have it ready by 2020.
True, but making the next 12 DLCs is by far cheaper than making a TES6 - and it will earn like 3 times more than a TES6 would. ESO is a long term investment, investors do not expect it to break even within the first few years, but it has to show potential to be a cash cow for years to come - and it has that - ESO can bring in that every year what TES6 would make once - every year and not just once in 5 years - ESO has so much more potential in this regards, it is a cash cow and they will not shoot their cash cow before it has completed it's cash cow phase - and it just started into this phase - the cash cow is in production now and will make investors very happy.
Never underestimate, that 1 mount sold equals a sold TES6 box - if you include the involved costs - ESO could be a real gold mine, don't underestimate the crown store, there is the real money to be made and in long-term subscribers, because these will basically recreate their original business model on a voluntary basis. And the highest chance to get TES fans onto the band wagon of ESO is is to NOT release a TES6 anytime soon - there will be no other TES6 in this decade, they need to get the TES fans into ESO - and they will, if no TES6 is in sight, also those who did not join yet will try ESO - their withdrawal will make them try - and then they are all on the band wagon of ESO, and feeding the cash cow - this is the business model IMO - and it is not a bad one.0 -
Selstad✭✭✭✭sekou_trayvond wrote: »My thoughts/theories:
1. As Lysette has noted above, Todd Howard's team appears done with Elder Scrolls games.
2. Previous point does not preclude Zenimax from offering up the series to a different development team.
3. ANY new single player Elder Scrolls game would be a serious conundrum for Zenimax. In effect, Zenimax would be offering competing products to their ES franchise fans. This doesn't seem like great business. (Sidebar: has any publisher done this previous? Offer up a MMO and single player game within the same franchise? Simultaneously?)
4. All of which is to say, I'm skeptical of a new single player game within the next five years (at minimum).
Demographically, I don't see TES and ESO being in direct competition, but more as substitutes within the same gaming universe. A good single player TES could as well be positive for ESO, where sales of TES could get new players in, and as such also get them to play ESO. So the potentials are there to strike you positive, especially taken into perspective that the ESO timeline is set so far behind Skyrim, that you could make a "sequel" to Skyrim without affecting ESO at all.
The potential problem is that during the release of TES, it will draw ESO players over to TES, and make ESO look unpopulated, and since ESO is relying on either subs or sales from the crown store, it might also damage their income. Meaning that any moves in that direction has to yield a potential of getting TES players back to ESO, as well as getting new players from TES to join ESO.
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✭✭I honestly don't know why they won't remaster Skyrim for the current consoles...it can't be that hard to do considering it would basically be the PC version and it would make them millions for a relatively simple project.
Skyrim aside, I'm hopeful that we'll hear something about TES VI at e3. Bethesda will be there again this year and I doubt it's to talk about Fallout 4 DLC and the Thieves Guild DLC.
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MarcoPolo✭✭✭The thing is every game company is making games to compete with other game makers so it would be crazy for Bethesda to not bring out some sort of competition to eso but that isnt what the op was asking
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