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Stamina Morph for Shadow Cloak
GrumpyDuckling
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There should be a stamina morph for Shadow Cloak. Call it "Camouflage." It allows the character to "blend into their surroundings" and works exactly as the current cloak skills do, except it uses stamina.
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ShadowHvo✭✭✭✭✭
✭As a Stamina NB I actually prefer it as a Magicka Ability, we need to use that Magicka on something, and what better than a complete utility spell?Nighren - The Shadow StrikerLeader of Bloodlines-- EU --
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sirrmattus✭✭✭✭✭No. With the current diminished stam regen. We'd really be screwed.Ebonheart Pact - North American Server
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GrumpyDuckling✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭As a Stamina NB I actually prefer it as a Magicka Ability, we need to use that Magicka on something, and what better than a complete utility spell?
This was my initial thought too - I also play stamina Nightblade. But I would prefer an option to choose between either magicka or stamina for cloak. If a group of enemies drop on me in PVP, my only options of escape are cloak and fear. I can cast maybe 1 fear and 2 cloaks before I'm out of magicka and easily run down by a mob. I'd like, again, the option to use my most invested resource as a means of trying to escape death.0 -
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✭✭✭✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »As a Stamina NB I actually prefer it as a Magicka Ability, we need to use that Magicka on something, and what better than a complete utility spell?
This was my initial thought too - I also play stamina Nightblade. But I would prefer an option to choose between either magicka or stamina for cloak. If a group of enemies drop on me in PVP, my only options of escape are cloak and fear. I can cast maybe 1 fear and 2 cloaks before I'm out of magicka and easily run down by a mob. I'd like, again, the option to use my most invested resource as a means of trying to escape death.
NB has the best escape tool in the game and you're not even mentioning it, lmao
Drop shadow image, roll around los, teleport back to image, cloakEdited by Lexxypwns on March 14, 2016 8:06PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »As a Stamina NB I actually prefer it as a Magicka Ability, we need to use that Magicka on something, and what better than a complete utility spell?
This was my initial thought too - I also play stamina Nightblade. But I would prefer an option to choose between either magicka or stamina for cloak. If a group of enemies drop on me in PVP, my only options of escape are cloak and fear. I can cast maybe 1 fear and 2 cloaks before I'm out of magicka and easily run down by a mob. I'd like, again, the option to use my most invested resource as a means of trying to escape death.
NB has the best escape tool in the game and you're not even mentioning it, lmao
Drop shadow image, roll around los, teleport back to image, cloak
Not quite sure how that helps in the scenario I mentioned. The shadow image is stationary and its pretty obvious to a group what that ability is used for. Unless they are completely clueless, they easily sniff it out. And, like cloak, there are only magicka morphs for the shade abilities.Edited by GrumpyDuckling on March 14, 2016 8:12PM0 -
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✭✭If you want more cloaks, play a magic nb. This takes the spot for dumbest idea ever suggested for this game...and I play two stamina NBs...3 -
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✭✭✭✭I don't understand the laughing at/ hatred of the idea for a stamina-based morph for cloak. Why wouldn't we want options?1 -
Ampnode✭✭✭✭Sorry, but I much prefer it be magicka... Even if Shadowy Disguise was the stamina morph, I doubt anyone would choose it. Us stamina builds already have high crit chance.PC NA - CP640+
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Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »I don't understand the laughing at/ hatred of the idea for a stamina-based morph for cloak. Why wouldn't we want options?
because approximately 100% of skills in the game would be better suited to a stam morph than cloak.
Stam builds can't waste their main damage/defensive resource on a utility spell and magika builds can't waste their precious stam on things like cloak when they need to CC break or even occasionally dodge roll1 -
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✭✭✭✭Sorry, but I much prefer it be magicka... Even if Shadowy Disguise was the stamina morph, I doubt anyone would choose it. Us stamina builds already have high crit chance.
I get it, you prefer your cloak to be magicka... but there are 2 morphs. Why can't the other one be stamina? I don't get the opposition to having options. Did ZOS say they are removing morphs and making it so cloak is only 1 ability?1 -
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✭✭✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »I don't understand the laughing at/ hatred of the idea for a stamina-based morph for cloak. Why wouldn't we want options?
Because stamblades (already OP) will be able to endlessly cloak like magicka nigthblades on top of hitting like a Mack truck on steroids?Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake2 -
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✭✭✭✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »I don't understand the laughing at/ hatred of the idea for a stamina-based morph for cloak. Why wouldn't we want options?
because approximately 100% of skills in the game would be better suited to a stam morph than cloak.
Stam builds can't waste their main damage/defensive resource on a utility spell and magika builds can't waste their precious stam on things like cloak when they need to CC break or even occasionally dodge roll
If "100% of skills in the game would be better suited to a stam morph than cloak," then that doesn't mean a stamina cloak option shouldn't be in the game. To be clear, I'm not suggesting that other skills in the game shouldn't have stamina morphs. I'm suggesting that people should have the option.0 -
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✭✭✭✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »I don't understand the laughing at/ hatred of the idea for a stamina-based morph for cloak. Why wouldn't we want options?
Because stamblades (already OP) will be able to endlessly cloak like magicka nigthblades on top of hitting like a Mack truck on steroids?
I'm getting mixed messages here. Others are saying that it's a waste (even though we have 2 morph options, so those who want magicka could simply select that one). You are suggesting that it would be OP?Edited by GrumpyDuckling on March 14, 2016 8:33PM0 -
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✭Having to make sacrifices is tied right in with balance. It's true that Stamina could use more utility in general, but taking away utility from Magicka is not the answer.1 -
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✭✭Just preaching to the air now and no not cause of all the trolls but cause of ZOS. They pretty much said no more stamina morphs ever and want stamina skills use the weapon skills. Yea 16 weapon skills were only 2 are any good (we all know what 2 I am talking about) out of how many magicka base skills are there ? And here magicka users are crying that there under powered and have no skills to use.1 -
nilldax✭✭✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »I don't understand the laughing at/ hatred of the idea for a stamina-based morph for cloak. Why wouldn't we want options?
Because stamblades (already OP) will be able to endlessly cloak like magicka nigthblades on top of hitting like a Mack truck on steroids?
I'm getting mixed messages here. Others are saying that it's a waste (even though we have 2 morph options, so those who want magicka could simply select that one). You are suggesting that it would be OP?
Counting stamina costs reduction and regen, Stamblades will be endlessly staying in cloak, making 'em even more powerful - like mentioned, for what could we use our Magicka? On standard campaign i am rarely running out of Magicka. Even with usage of Fear or rarely Image. Also, explain, how would you vanish by using Stamina (ie "lore")?
Btw actualy sorc can magicaly turn into lightening by using Stamina pool.0 -
dday3six✭✭✭✭✭
✭Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »Just preaching to the air now and no not cause of all the trolls but cause of ZOS. They pretty much said no more stamina morphs ever and want stamina skills use the weapon skills. Yea 16 weapon skills were only 2 are any good (we all know what 2 I am talking about) out of how many magicka base skills are there ? And here magicka users are crying that there under powered and have no skills to use.
Across PVE and PVP pretty much all of the skills in DW, Bow, and 2H have application and are usable. So, what are you talking about? Hyperbole doesn't help anything.
Yes, Magicka is 'better' than Stamina in a general sense. However, that has a lot to do with uptime when not in melee range, and skill damage type misalignment. If for example Medium Armor increased movement speed in general rather than just while sprinting and damage types were altered to be more uniform for Stamina builds. Those two things would go along way to bringing Stamina up.1 -
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✭✭✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »As a Stamina NB I actually prefer it as a Magicka Ability, we need to use that Magicka on something, and what better than a complete utility spell?
This was my initial thought too - I also play stamina Nightblade. But I would prefer an option to choose between either magicka or stamina for cloak. If a group of enemies drop on me in PVP, my only options of escape are cloak and fear. I can cast maybe 1 fear and 2 cloaks before I'm out of magicka and easily run down by a mob. I'd like, again, the option to use my most invested resource as a means of trying to escape death.
NB has the best escape tool in the game and you're not even mentioning it, lmao
Drop shadow image, roll around los, teleport back to image, cloak
Not quite sure how that helps in the scenario I mentioned. The shadow image is stationary and its pretty obvious to a group what that ability is used for. Unless they are completely clueless, they easily sniff it out. And, like cloak, there are only magicka morphs for the shade abilities.
Fortunately, the teleport is instant, but most individuals chasing the Nightblade cannot cover that distance instantly.
It is a great escape tool in practical application.
Rather than saying it won't work, give it a go and learn how it does work"If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
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✭✭✭✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »GrumpyDuckling wrote: »I don't understand the laughing at/ hatred of the idea for a stamina-based morph for cloak. Why wouldn't we want options?
Because stamblades (already OP) will be able to endlessly cloak like magicka nigthblades on top of hitting like a Mack truck on steroids?
I'm getting mixed messages here. Others are saying that it's a waste (even though we have 2 morph options, so those who want magicka could simply select that one). You are suggesting that it would be OP?
Counting stamina costs reduction and regen, Stamblades will be endlessly staying in cloak, making 'em even more powerful - like mentioned, for what could we use our Magicka? On standard campaign i am rarely running out of Magicka. Even with usage of Fear or rarely Image. Also, explain, how would you vanish by using Stamina (ie "lore")?
Btw actualy sorc can magicaly turn into lightening by using Stamina pool.
How you could vanish by using stamina is stated in the original post. Call it "Camouflage" so your character is blending into their surroundings.0
