thieves trove camping

NeKryXe · March 2016

in the last two days i wasn't able to get one single thieves trove because there's always one or two weird guys camping on the exact spawn location. the thieves trove are no longer something that you get when pass through it, now is something only for people who clearly don't enjoy to play and prefers to stay in the same place for hours. it's really ridiculous to see those players waiting for the thing. i think that a longer spawn time could solve this problem. people are strange :') ...and the game developers should adapt the game to prevent this. i hope that this fix happens.

Lysette · March 2016

NeKryXe wrote: »

in the last two days i wasn't able to get one single thieves trove because there's always one or two weird guys camping on the exact spawn location. the thieves trove are no longer something that you get when pass through it, now is something only for people who clearly don't enjoy to play and prefers to stay in the same place for hours. it's really ridiculous to see those players waiting for the thing. i think that a longer spawn time could solve this problem. people are strange :') ...and the game developers should adapt the game to prevent this. i hope that this fix happens.

It will most likely, ZOS stated already, that these short respawn times in some places are not intentional or by design, but just a flaw and they are looking into it. So eventually it will get fixed.

smacx250 · March 2016

They've stated that the current re-spawn behavior isn't intended, and will be fixed!

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2769162#Comment_2769162

Smileybones · March 2016

You can also go to low populated areas like Cadwell's ones, there is few competition for the troves there.

NeKryXe · March 2016

Lysette wrote: »

It will most likely, ZOS stated already, that these short respawn times in some places are not intentional or by design, but just a flaw and they are looking into it. So eventually it will get fixed.

well, that's great news. i really hope they fix it soon

Volkodav · March 2016

Are there other troves besides in Abah's Landing? Since I got back ingame I have been doing the quests there and whenever I see one I take it.But,I dont just sit hovering over one waiting for it to respawn.

smacx250 · March 2016

Yes, I see them often in Wrothgar and Craiglorn, and never seen one camped in either.

Lysette · March 2016

Volkodav wrote: »

Are there other troves besides in Abah's Landing? Since I got back ingame I have been doing the quests there and whenever I see one I take it.But,I dont just sit hovering over one waiting for it to respawn.

I guess all over Tamriel, but I can just confirm that for the first few starter regions myself.

Volkodav · March 2016

smacx250 wrote: »

Yes, I see them often in Wrothgar and Craiglorn, and never seen one camped in either.

I have seen them camped.I waited for like 10 minutes for the person to take all they needed,but eventually,they werent leaving and I got bored hoping.

Lysette · March 2016

Volkodav wrote: »

smacx250 wrote: »

Yes, I see them often in Wrothgar and Craiglorn, and never seen one camped in either.

I have seen them camped.I waited for like 10 minutes for the person to take all they needed,but eventually,they werent leaving and I got bored hoping.

Just go to any region and listen to the buzzing sound these troves make - you will hear it quite often when exploring. Most have a longer respawn time, but some respawn very quickly as in about a minute.

TheValkyn · March 2016

NeKryXe wrote: »

in the last two days i wasn't able to get one single thieves trove because there's always one or two weird guys camping on the exact spawn location. the thieves trove are no longer something that you get when pass through it, now is something only for people who clearly don't enjoy to play and prefers to stay in the same place for hours. it's really ridiculous to see those players waiting for the thing. i think that a longer spawn time could solve this problem. people are strange :') ...and the game developers should adapt the game to prevent this. i hope that this fix happens.

This must be your first mmo? This happens all the time with numerous activities across quite a few games. Players will figure out the system and then utilize the best method of taking advantage of the system.

MMO101. Find what's broken and use it to your advantage. It's against my personal interest to do so but if you take a look at some of the most popular players out there they are most definitely taking advantage of every one of ZOS' missteps.

Lysette · March 2016

TheValkyn wrote: »

NeKryXe wrote: »

in the last two days i wasn't able to get one single thieves trove because there's always one or two weird guys camping on the exact spawn location. the thieves trove are no longer something that you get when pass through it, now is something only for people who clearly don't enjoy to play and prefers to stay in the same place for hours. it's really ridiculous to see those players waiting for the thing. i think that a longer spawn time could solve this problem. people are strange :') ...and the game developers should adapt the game to prevent this. i hope that this fix happens.

This must be your first mmo? This happens all the time with numerous activities across quite a few games. Players will figure out the system and then utilize the best method of taking advantage of the system.

MMO101. Find what's broken and use it to your advantage. It's against my personal interest to do so but if you take a look at some of the most popular players out there they are most definitely taking advantage of every one of ZOS' missteps.

Yeah, unfortunately that is what people do, even most "terms of service" have a clause, where exploiting obvious bugs is a bannable offense. The normal way would be to report it and not exploit it - and as well not make public - I think this is even a rule on this forum, to not make an exploit public in a way, which teases others to use this exploit. But in this case it was not that obvious, if this is intended or a bug.

Thevampirenight · March 2016

Best place to find them is in places not hews bane, I find them even when not looking for them, and if npcs do see you take stuff from them they do report you, as well. So yeah go to other zones, and just run around you find them. Don't look for them in major cities look outside of them. They are all over the game now, not just hews bane so yeah finding them is easy.
You can also find them in major cities but its more risky that way, most people are in hews bane thieving around right now so some people might be jerks and just camp them. But I have found them in a bunch of places in the rift.

hamgatan · March 2016

It's not jerky if it's a human camping it. So what? It's called farming! I sat on one I found for perhaps 1-2 hours on Saturday and ended up with some pretty nice Shadow Dancer pieces for my troubles. And yes a couple of times I had guys shove their way in and get the trove a split second before me due to lag at my end. Did I create a thread about that and whine like a b***h in it, no. It's Thieves Guild, expect thievery!

If it's a bot or Macro script however.. Then yeah that's just douchebaggery.

Mojmir · March 2016

theyre literally in every zone, the only factor is amount of gold you receive/zone. theyre near backpacks,lorebooks(that was confusing due to similar color),under trees,near roads. people are camping the city ones which is dumb,of course theres competition,dont be lazy and adventure into the wilds!!!

Anemonean · March 2016

Not gonna lie, it doesn't bother me. I've done it but occasionally bit if someone rolls up and waits with me I'll let them take it. If I log on and all the troves are camped I just go to my cadwells gold area and hunt there. I figure, it's gonna get patched soon anyhow so get it while the getting's good.

Elephant42 · March 2016

I've been looting dozens of troves in several zones and I've yet to see one being camped - I've been ninja'd a couple of times but that's neither here nor there...

DaveMoeDee · March 2016

Smileybones wrote: »

You can also go to low populated areas like Cadwell's ones, there is few competition for the troves there.

Yeah, I get them all time on alts.

What's the big deal anyway? A treasure map, useless lockpicks, some stolen goods, and some set gear? I suppose if you want to complete the set, it is pretty good. I have a 5 piece set of useless TG gear at around level 18.

Necrelios · March 2016

I spent most of the day in Craglorn looking for a piece of Potent Nirncrux, never found any but I did find a ton of troves there since the zone is completely abandoned. You can literally have the entire zone's worth of troves all to yourself if you go to Craglorn.

ArcVelarian · March 2016

In Abah's Landing, they take about one minute to respawn. Almost everywhere else they take approximately four minutes.

starkerealm · March 2016

Necrelios wrote: »

I spent most of the day in Craglorn looking for a piece of Potent Nirncrux, never found any but I did find a ton of troves there since the zone is completely abandoned. You can literally have the entire zone's worth of troves all to yourself if you go to Craglorn.

Yeah, Craglorn is a great place to be for a couple reasons.

babylon · March 2016

I parked my camel over one camper guy and repeatedly camel vomited on him

He was basically trapped there and totally at my mercy, due to his greed. I call that a win-win

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Acrolas · March 2016

The most genius thing I've seen done is dropping the Questionable Meat Sack over the trove.

Hilarious and effective.

starkerealm · March 2016

babylon wrote: »

I parked my camel over one camper guy and repeatedly camel vomited on him

He was basically trapped there and totally at my mercy, due to his greed. I call that a win-win

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Lysette · March 2016

ArcVelarian wrote: »

In Abah's Landing, they take about one minute to respawn. Almost everywhere else they take approximately four minutes.

That's about what I have experienced as well, even there are some, which respawn quicker as well in other zones.

hydrocynus · March 2016

Lol. I found one guy doing this yesterday. Over and over again. I made it my personal mission to try steal as many from him as I possibly could. Worked out the spawn times and started hitting E as fast as I could from 10 seconds before spawn.

I managed to steal about 5 in a row and he ran away but then I got sucked into doing it myself and felt very ashamed when I realised 5 or so troves later and ran away before anyone saw me.

I didn't really get any nice stuff so not sure what the fuss was about to be honest.

Wish I had thought of the meat sack. Will def do that next time.

lardvader · March 2016

Respawn time in every other zone seems normal - can't farm them to the same extent as in Hew's Bane.

Well they are useful for selling stolen goods and they drop some interesting armor / jewelry from time to another but nothing special for end-game.

Hope they fix it though to prevent the campers.

Faasnu · March 2016

hydrocynus wrote: »

Lol. I found one guy doing this yesterday. Over and over again. I made it my personal mission to try steal as many from him as I possibly could. Worked out the spawn times and started hitting E as fast as I could from 10 seconds before spawn.

Amazing to see that even without the pvp aspect of the justice system players still do everything possible to annoy other players

Now I see it's really good they didn't implement the pvp mechanics, you guys would exploit it all the time to try to ruin the game for others. Congratulations!
Just so you know, the farming dude wasn't hurting you in any way. I would guess 90% of the troves aren't being farmed for sure. Why bothering one farmer when you can pick up 10 more troves nearby without any interruption? I can't understand that.

hydrocynus · March 2016

Faasnu wrote: »

hydrocynus wrote: »

Lol. I found one guy doing this yesterday. Over and over again. I made it my personal mission to try steal as many from him as I possibly could. Worked out the spawn times and started hitting E as fast as I could from 10 seconds before spawn.

Amazing to see that even without the pvp aspect of the justice system players still do everything possible to annoy other players Now I see it's really good they didn't implement the pvp mechanics, you guys would exploit it all the time to try to ruin the game for others. Congratulations!
Just so you know, the farming dude wasn't hurting you in any way. I would guess 90% of the troves aren't being farmed for sure. Why bothering one farmer when you can pick up 10 more troves nearby without any interruption? I can't understand that.

He was hurting me because he was actively trying to stop me from having a chance at the trove so all I did is what he was going to me.

TheShadowScout · March 2016

It is a problem, the campers. I really wish they would do more to adress the issue then just make the respawn timer a bit longer... since they -still- are too easy to bot-camp.

Like I mentioned elsewhere:
Making them locked would be a good start to adress the problem! Random respawn locations and/or random respawn timers would be another good thing!

I'd also adore it if there were "random encounters" associated with opening those roves... say, 75% nothing happens, 20% a NPC fellow thief pops up, yells "That's MINE!" and attacks, 5% a guard who had been staking out the trove steps into view with thir trademark "Stop right there, criminal scum!" and a set of shackles ("flee or pay" screen, and hope you have clemency or all your ill gotten goods may be gone...)
And then... shift the chances for each trove you open within a short period of time? Say, first one is 75/20/5, open another within 15 minutes and the chances get 50/35/15, open a third and you have 30/45/25, fourth 10/55/35, fifth 0/60/40, sixth 0/40/60... et cetera... (take that, claw-cutters!)

Or best - all of the above, and just raise the loot quality?

phairdon · March 2016

So far, not come across anyone camping on trove's. Assuming the camping is mainly in the new zone?