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Magicka Templars will be the most OP build in the game
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BlackEar✭✭✭✭✭If you are stamplar just respec now. It is not feasible to wait for any improvements. Might as well ride the tide while the wind blows in our favour.Bjorn Blackbear - Master Angler - Collector - Black Market Mogul - Ebonheart Pact - Exterminatus - EU.
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puffy99✭✭✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »rfennell_ESO wrote: »I absolutely love the concept that a *** spamming puncturing sweep should hit for 5k 5k 5k. Then finish it all off with a totally undodgeable and unavoidable 18k blindly used channel that tracks you through los.
It's skills lol!!!
have you heard of a roll dodge or about a billion other things you could counter that with?
Being that neither can be dodge rolled, I suspect my success rate wouldn't be very high.
What are the "billion" of other things you can counter with exactly? I'll settle for couple lol.
That's WAY too much damage for blind skills that don't require any skill to use.
I was talking about jabs... you said 5k, 5k, 5k, -it is a cone hit box and very easy to not get hit by and rarely hits for all 3- RO is your problem and one of the few skills that actually work for a mag temp.
Edited by puffy99 on March 12, 2016 6:29PM0 -
dennissomb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »rfennell_ESO wrote: »I absolutely love the concept that a *** spamming puncturing sweep should hit for 5k 5k 5k. Then finish it all off with a totally undodgeable and unavoidable 18k blindly used channel that tracks you through los.
It's skills lol!!!
have you heard of a roll dodge or about a billion other things you could counter that with?
Being that neither can be dodge rolled, I suspect my success rate wouldn't be very high.
What are the "billion" of other things you can counter with exactly? I'll settle for couple lol.
That's WAY too much damage for blind skills that don't require any skill to use.
Lets see if we can quickly name a few counters to the radient channel.... wrecking blow, teleport strike, negate, shield bash, obviously i can go on. The concept that in end game PvP, trials, delves etc. that you can just stand there in a spot and cast freely is just simply silly. As a templar I would trade a 20k radient finisher for any 10k instant ability finisher in a heartbeat1 -
so whats your point? only nb or sorc can be most op or the game is broken?5
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Eejit1331✭✭✭danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »As a long time console magicka Templar I am so proud that my build is now the flavor of the month. Entropy-Reflective Light-Soul Assault-Radiant Oppression forever! I can't wait until the angry messages I get when that is on someone's death recap.
I've done the same for a long time, but sometimes I throw flame reach on there before radiant oppression / soul assult.0 -
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✭SemiD4rkness wrote: »If it was true (which it isn't) let them be OP for at least a year just like stamblades and magicka sorcerers have been. Im gonna turn my templar to magicka and im gonna come and tell you all how balanced this game is and you just think templars are stronger cause we are better than you and you should all L2P. You'll see how it feels.
OP is bad for a game. Just because a few classes got it at one point doesnt mean its dgood to have for other classes down the line.2 -
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✭✭✭notimetocare wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »If it was true (which it isn't) let them be OP for at least a year just like stamblades and magicka sorcerers have been. Im gonna turn my templar to magicka and im gonna come and tell you all how balanced this game is and you just think templars are stronger cause we are better than you and you should all L2P. You'll see how it feels.
OP is bad for a game. Just because a few classes got it at one point doesnt mean its dgood to have for other classes down the line.
Agreed, I personally just want everything to be balanced. I don't want my play style to be OP because then people use that as an excuse for their loss. It's why I'm really looking forward to the non CP campaign.0 -
mistermutiny89✭✭✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Hmm, if what you say is true then the only logical course of action is to somehow nerf stamplars.
Definitely, this game hates stamina so it would be the expected course of action. Good point sir.
Stamina was on top for the last six months. Now magicka will be... Honestly, channeled abilities have major set backs, simply gap close and bash or in ranged situations use the venom arrow morph.
Put down caltrops wherever they put their sigil down. To make up for major mending, use abilities that cause major defile, would you like a list of the abilities that do this?
If you need any other tips on countering abilities and certain scenarios feel free to pm me.
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✭✭Well, at least some (excluding the delusional) realize that ZOS swung things out of balance yet again.
Oddly I wasn't even questioned on the 5k per jab tick claim, mostly because it can actually be higher. That's without crits lol... so an ability that heals the magplar in question for 40% of the damage can hit for 15k as a nearly unavoidable spam that doesn't even require targetting. That's one ability... 15k damage versus moderate spell resist with 6k of healing. On top of the ridiculousness of that, it's basically a cheap ability and never really a magicka drain.
Worse is that any snare or root or stun means you eat the whole thing and then they roll their face over to another button and radiant destruction kills you.
It's pretty much lol... how do you go from not much of a threat to killing people in 1.5 seconds overnight?
Something has to be broken.0 -
Strider_Roshin wrote: »notimetocare wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »If it was true (which it isn't) let them be OP for at least a year just like stamblades and magicka sorcerers have been. Im gonna turn my templar to magicka and im gonna come and tell you all how balanced this game is and you just think templars are stronger cause we are better than you and you should all L2P. You'll see how it feels.
OP is bad for a game. Just because a few classes got it at one point doesnt mean its dgood to have for other classes down the line.
Agreed, I personally just want everything to be balanced. I don't want my play style to be OP because then people use that as an excuse for their loss. It's why I'm really looking forward to the non CP campaign.
thats a delusion, class imbalance and gearing will still stop things from being balanced even with no cp. no cp isnt going to magically make classes more balanced.
although balance would be nice, they need to look at the root of certain issue which they never seem to do.1 -
mistermutiny89 wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Hmm, if what you say is true then the only logical course of action is to somehow nerf stamplars.
Definitely, this game hates stamina so it would be the expected course of action. Good point sir.
Stamina was on top for the last six months. Now magicka will be... Honestly, channeled abilities have major set backs, simply gap close and bash or in ranged situations use the venom arrow morph.
Put down caltrops wherever they put their sigil down. To make up for major mending, use abilities that cause major defile, would you like a list of the abilities that do this?
If you need any other tips on countering abilities and certain scenarios feel free to pm me.
this. instead of QQ head to the shrine and respec for crushing shock/poison arrow,
you simply cant execute someone with these if they are fighting you and they can save others from a distance. BUT NO ITS NOT FAIR I HAVE TO MARGINALLY LOWER DPS FOR COUNTERPLAY
(sarcasm) Edited by dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO on March 12, 2016 10:06PM2 -
Templars are not OP. Try using RD or jab spam against a competent player and you will see why.My solution to Champion Point System here2 -
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✭Lol...templars op? Hah...you guys are ridiculous. We are deffinetly in a better place now but not op. Templar still remain the most balanced class no matter WHAT weapon we wear. We are pretty much equal....radiant destruction Is a easy skill to get out of, you can block, purge, shield up, stun, bash and line of sight radiant destruction AND puncturing sweeps. Against a bad player, a templar is formidable, against an equal skill player of any class, templar still feels...not as good. Night blades can still stealth gank me before I can break free, magick sorcs still negate bubble them selves from all sustain I put out, Stam DKs still wrecking blow me to coldharbor...I will say though that this patch my templar has a REALLY strong burst combo, with buffs to sweeps, crescent sweep, backlash, and dark flare. Only thing that irrtates me is the "smart" heals healing non grouped members above myself...i cast breath of life four times before I get a heal on myself sometimes, and sometimes I feel like healing ward is better than honor the dead...anyway, still working on perfecting my gear, once I do well see how epic ut is0 -
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✭And puncturing sweeps does not do 5k non crit, plus damage a tick, I'd be lucky to get 15k with critting and burning light procs and low enemy resists.3 -
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✭Oh and is cyrodils light still all that and a bag of chips? Being v14, maybe if you only wore the armor with will power rings, but does it even come in impen? If not then I wouldn't do it0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »
Please provide proof of people hitting other players in PvP with 5k normal hits from Pucturing Sweep.
I only ask because my PS crits mobs in PvE for around 6k, and that is with around 3k spell power and 37k magicka. In PvP those would be 3k crits, so I am wondering how I would get 5k normal hits. I figure I would need around 6k spell power and 70k magicka.
5k per tick would be a one-channel one-shot for most people. Don't tell me you are adding up the full channel in the death recap and thinking it is one hit?
My normal hit in PvP on other players is around 1500 per hit.
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Reykice✭✭✭✭✭OP are you trolling us? The Sorcerers do more damage via overload and they can kill you about 50 times before they run out of it... add Power Surge and they also get more healing while doing it... and they also have the best shield in the game.
In case you didn`t notice Sorcs are by far the best @ Veteran Maelstrom before and after the patch, the shield alone is enough to survive, the 30k - 40k dps with Overload is just the cherry on top.
They also gave the DK`s much better self healing, sorcs also get a lovely heal with the pet.... everyone got some kind of buff. Also, templars are not #1 in dps right now, DK`s are.(the difference just got reduced and that is good)
So yea... get a clue and come back.3 -
Yusuf✭✭✭✭✭I don't give two ****s about which class is op as long as they fix the lag on the more populated campaigns.0 -
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✭✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »
Please provide proof of people hitting other players in PvP with 5k normal hits from Pucturing Sweep.
I only ask because my PS crits mobs in PvE for around 6k, and that is with around 3k spell power and 37k magicka. In PvP those would be 3k crits, so I am wondering how I would get 5k normal hits. I figure I would need around 6k spell power and 70k magicka.
5k per tick would be a one-channel one-shot for most people. Don't tell me you are adding up the full channel in the death recap and thinking it is one hit?
My normal hit in PvP on other players is around 1500 per hit.
I don't look at the death recap, I check the combat log.
Proof... lol, I don't actually care if you want to claim I'm making things up. I've seen it more than once and it's freaking broken.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »rfennell_ESO wrote: »
Please provide proof of people hitting other players in PvP with 5k normal hits from Pucturing Sweep.
I only ask because my PS crits mobs in PvE for around 6k, and that is with around 3k spell power and 37k magicka. In PvP those would be 3k crits, so I am wondering how I would get 5k normal hits. I figure I would need around 6k spell power and 70k magicka.
5k per tick would be a one-channel one-shot for most people. Don't tell me you are adding up the full channel in the death recap and thinking it is one hit?
My normal hit in PvP on other players is around 1500 per hit.
I don't look at the death recap, I check the combat log.
Proof... lol, I don't actually care if you want to claim I'm making things up. I've seen it more than once and it's freaking broken.
Right. So you say something that is mathematically impossible is possible, and we should all just believe you and demand a nerf to the bread and butter skill for Templars based on your claim?
If you can show it hits for 5k per hit, in Cyrodiil on another V16 player, then I will be the first to line up behind you and call for a fix/nerf.1 -
rfennell_ESO wrote: »
I don't look at the death recap, I check the combat log.
Proof... lol, I don't actually care if you want to claim I'm making things up. I've seen it more than once and it's freaking broken.
If your seeing it this often, take a screenshot and post it. Your claim is prosperous, so yeah you need to provide proof. Otherwise, your full of ***
Edited by Enraged_Tiki_Torch on March 13, 2016 2:55PMMy solution to Champion Point System here2 -
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✭@rfennell_ESO If you are seeing a 5k PS in Cyro then post it up here. Give proof when you can. Cyros light has gloves as well I will look as I still have the full set from back in the day. That 25% Mitigation is not 25% when Casting or Channeling, that is zos math and very wrong. I wasted a lot of AP just to find that out.
The OP's Meta is old and the CP double dip works for all. Nothing insulting to the OP I ran that set before we even had CP and it did not do to well then either.1 -
Refuse2GrowUp✭✭✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »
I thought PvP vendor items were not yet being scaled to 16. You sure about this?PS4 NA Server
CP160 DK Firemage
CP160 StamSorc
CP160 Templar Healer
CP160 Stam NB
CP160 Magica Sorc
Cp160 Stamplar
CP160 Magicka NB
CP160 DK Tank
CP160 Stam DK
CP160 Mag Templar
CP160 Blazing Shield Templar
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puffy99✭✭✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »Well, at least some (excluding the delusional) realize that ZOS swung things out of balance yet again.
Oddly I wasn't even questioned on the 5k per jab tick claim, mostly because it can actually be higher. That's without crits lol... so an ability that heals the magplar in question for 40% of the damage can hit for 15k as a nearly unavoidable spam that doesn't even require targetting. That's one ability... 15k damage versus moderate spell resist with 6k of healing. On top of the ridiculousness of that, it's basically a cheap ability and never really a magicka drain.
Worse is that any snare or root or stun means you eat the whole thing and then they roll their face over to another button and radiant destruction kills you.
It's pretty much lol... how do you go from not much of a threat to killing people in 1.5 seconds overnight?
Something has to be broken.
1.5 per second kills, 5 K hit jabs, what are you smoking?
you must be a NB..
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