Faction Jumping

Recremen · March 2016

zyk wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Not an exploit, not even an issue. Pop caps ensure that we're never going to run into the issue of "we all jump to the faction with highest population". People like switching it up, I don't really care, it can even be fun to see a familiar face on the other side of the blade.

It's definitely not an exploit, but population caps are not the answer. Balanced populations do no equal competitive balance. Just as EP had far more organized players this time last year, DC does now. It's bad for the game.

Many remaining PVP enthusiasts have well-developed characters on 2 or 3 factions and play whichever one gives them the easiest path to success. It's lame, but this game has absolutely no competitive balance mechanisms.

Not ZOS's fault, also probably not even accurate. Loads of people have been switching factions the last 2 years specifically to make some factions more competitive when they've historically underperformed. Just look at where DC is now compared to last year. Full 180. That didn't happen by magic, players made a concerted effort because they wanted more competitive fights. You'll see the same thing happen again, just give it a moment.

HenryIvan · March 2016

also to prove my point on why mass faction jumping is bad ep was winning bwb campaign as of recently (I even mentioned that earlier above) but the faction jumping dc emperor and other jumpers took the map and now dc is winning this campaign when they where in last place! that's how fast a handful of faction jumpers can turn the tides of battle

Jules · March 2016

Nominating this thread for most useless thread NA/EU/ever.

Turtl3Lov3 · March 2016

Jules wrote: »

Nominating this thread for most useless thread NA/EU/ever.

I second this motion.

DaveMoeDee · March 2016

There is nothing in the OP that sounds like an exploit. It is one thing if you talk about using your invulnerability to spy or to take scrolls the wrong way. But just playing on the alt in the most convenient faction? That is no more an exploit than playing on the alt that is homing on the most convenient campaign.

DaveMoeDee · March 2016

HenryIvan wrote: »

also to prove my point on why mass faction jumping is bad ep was winning bwb campaign as of recently (I even mentioned that earlier above) but the faction jumping dc emperor and other jumpers took the map and now dc is winning this campaign when they where in last place! that's how fast a handful of faction jumpers can turn the tides of battle

What was bad about this? Where is the problem?

It isn't like a character can change factions. That person is playing a completely different character. So, so what?

How about you get better so a small group can't dictate the map?

DaveMoeDee · March 2016

Recremen wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Not an exploit, not even an issue. Pop caps ensure that we're never going to run into the issue of "we all jump to the faction with highest population". People like switching it up, I don't really care, it can even be fun to see a familiar face on the other side of the blade.

It's definitely not an exploit, but population caps are not the answer. Balanced populations do no equal competitive balance. Just as EP had far more organized players this time last year, DC does now. It's bad for the game.

Many remaining PVP enthusiasts have well-developed characters on 2 or 3 factions and play whichever one gives them the easiest path to success. It's lame, but this game has absolutely no competitive balance mechanisms.

Not ZOS's fault, also probably not even accurate. Loads of people have been switching factions the last 2 years specifically to make some factions more competitive when they've historically underperformed. Just look at where DC is now compared to last year. Full 180. That didn't happen by magic, players made a concerted effort because they wanted more competitive fights. You'll see the same thing happen again, just give it a moment.

Yeah, DC was depressing.

Tomato · March 2016

The point is no one really cares anymore about this game

ColoursYouHave · March 2016

HenryIvan wrote: »

qrichou wrote: »

i see always the same faces , in duels at frontline the same faces in team orange the same faces former emperor always together even when in diff teams standing in a keep defending red and yellow next to eachother so yes they are boosting and yes thats exploiting and frankly i dislike such players because they r no teamplayers and will let you down when they see ther buddy buddy no no where are dueling not boosting *friends* and they cheated to become emporer
not all but most

I like when I see ppl from my faction on another faction and they use about the same name so you know who it is at least they don't hide that there jumping faction lol but seriously can dev jump in on this and give there opinion on faction jumping?
It's kinda hard to get an unbiased opinion on this subject. I know that if those who jumped factions advertised it they wouldn't get the same love and support from their faction and that's why most don't announce they jump factions

The devs removed the campaign restrictions in the patch that hit earlier this week. I don't think anymore needs to be said to understand their opinion on this.

Astanphaeus · March 2016

It's not an exploit. I have zero respect for these people, but it is not an exploit.

Humphie · March 2016

Jules wrote: »

Nominating this thread for most useless thread NA/EU/ever.

I said I am out but now I have to say: agreed

Opening a thread in a forum IS asking for other's opinion especially if a poll is involved.

Lucky28 · March 2016

HenryIvan wrote: »

Humphie wrote: »

Ok...I have to disagree. I do a lot for my faction. My guild plays map, no AP farming happening when we have a raid.
I set up siege and newly FCs. That is something I don't really do when playing with another faction. I usually just want to have fun then.
And how you want to keep people from doing that? It is free choice. There are a lot other things that suck in my opinion but that is not the right thread for it.

you say you do a lot for your faction but does it matter what you do for them if your just going to jump to another faction and Kill them and take keeps from them? kinda defeats the purpose of "I do a lot for my faction" lol

what I think you meant to say is 'I do a lot for my faction if it benefits me'

come on now. it's a game not a real war. as long as people aren't telling one faction what another faction is doing or planning. then whatever.

Farorin · March 2016

Where is the "I don't care" button? So long as I get to fight some blues or reds I am happy.

Jimbohere · March 2016

I don't think it's an exploit. People should be able to play with friends on other factions. I do however think the server pop cap is way screwed up. 200 on 40 is not pvp. Azura's the last few campaigns is a prime example of that. It used to be a competitive campaign and win or lose it was a lot of fun to play in. Now it's just a Zerg fest on all sides.

Asmael · March 2016

Some people need to seriously learn the definition of "exploit".

This is intended by ZoS, acknowledged, changes have been made so that it's possible to jump between factions easily. For all the derp they've been doing, it's a decent change, compared to what it used to (you had to group to jump in a campaign's faction where you have a character home'd / guest'd).

As for the players jumping just because they don't want to be on the losing side, you can proudly tell them "L2P".

Akgurd · March 2016

It's certainly not an exploit but I personally do not like people that pops on different faction during single campaign period for whatever reasons. Exception only goes to those who actually makes "permanent" move to losing faction for the health of population balance. I have great respect to such honorable players.

For myself, I am loyal to Ebonheart Pact from day one and will keep loyalty till the day I quit eso.

NACtron · March 2016

I love being Loyal to one faction and fighting in Cyrodiil for them. It's fun tto hink of the faction as big team.

That being said that's my playstyle and not something I would enforce on others. I do believe people should remain loyal to their faction but if they want to do duels or run with some friends that's a perfectly okay thing.

LilyOra · March 2016

/YAWN

TheValkyn · March 2016

I play all factions and have loyalty to none besides the people I play with.

Airyus · March 2016

I have one toon. And play AD exclusively. But who cares? It's a game. Play it for fun and what is most conducive to your own enjoyment.

Not an exploit.

MrBM · March 2016

I have one non EP character. I made it to play with some friends I made from AD. The other reason I have it was I wanted to make a magic DK and now I am doing so for EP. I rarely play on it but probably will more next patch on Xbox. It's also for killing idiot reds that think they are all that and a bag of chips but I have not had a chance seeing as every active campaign and every faction zergs 24/7. I did have a copy and paste of my main on DC not leveled all the way but deleted to make another EP character that I wanted. That character was solely made to kill at the time (as I say AT THE TIME whenever exactly that was) the idiotic reds in scourge on Xbox NA. And the guy that made this thread is thinking after reading that sentence, "see see what I told yall this is what I mean". lol Well not necessarily did the guy who started it do the so called things that I am about to metion but I wouldn't doubt it. Reasons some of us make other faction characters is because idiots want SCROLLS over ANYTHING. Oh hey it is a RESOURCE campaign and we are ONE KEEP I repeat ONE KEEP away from Emp for our faction and yet the idiots always want to go for a scroll that does nothing for the campaign. The buffs are not worth screwing the other groups that have been working the whole entire PRIMETIME to take the ring while getting GREEN teamed the whole time.

But that's fine you do that. You wonder why people AP farm or don't care about the map. Well it's stupidity like that that happens 99.9% of the time. So remember the next time you want a scroll I'll just be a Glade Mine or somewhere else farming AP while you play run simulator with a scroll that amounts to nothing in the end really.

Also I know a lot of players that want them for dueling and just to mess around with. Hell the most fun I've had lately was when I got on my AD DK and dueled against guildies and other players all night. Way better than dealing with the 60 man zerg a top.

Rylana · March 2016

Oh look, its the "Anti everything Rylana has done for 2 years" thread again

>_> wtb fourth merc faction already pl0x

MrBM · March 2016

Rylana wrote: »

Oh look, its the "Anti everything Rylana has done for 2 years" thread again

>_> wtb fourth merc faction already pl0x

Totally would be down for another faction but you know how it would turn out. A lot of people from different faction would join it and not get along at all. Could imagine zone/area chats lol

Arito · March 2016

This sure saves me a lot of money and time. Prior to this patch I could still get in to the same campaign with differing factions, but usually I had to pay somebody to smuggle me. I don't really care who's winning or losing... I just go where I can find a group to play with and have fun.

HenryIvan · March 2016

I have searched thru the forums and what I find is pretty much everyone in bwb is jumping factions, and the emperorship is controlled still even tho a said guild is no longer doing it others are, the population balance is horrible! With the same people getting emp over and over not from skill or hard work but from farming ap and guild controlled pushes. Those who are not part of this corrupt inner circle have no chance at exceeding in bwb. Many say it does not matter because its not a vet campaign. I am just sick of logging in and not being able to do anything in bwb so like the majority of the community I will also be jumping sides to which ever is most convenient. One day I hope they will fix the population imbalance till then migrate with the herd. This thread is dead was dead b4 it started it seems. If you would like to learn more or discuss the imbalances in bwb then I would like to refer you to this thread

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/236699/na-pc-bwb/p1

Serjustin19 · April 2016

Astanphaeus wrote: »

It's not an exploit. I have zero respect for these people, but it is not an exploit.

What about. Lets say in Scourge Ps4 EU right now and for example. Us AD taken everything. We will continue to take. Like last night. I was only ad. Blues were starting take keeps. I died lots of times. But then more ad showed up.

Now Blues quit. Because no matter what. Us AD will not let blues or red keep anything sadly.

So my question is. Since Scourge PS4 EU is totally imbalance right now. I need to choose whom I serve. Who is hurting more. Thus blues are hurting more. Like they use to.

Is it fair if I decide to make a new blue. To make Scourge more balanced? Will I still have respect? Trying do my all to save Scourge not to be all one faction campaign?

I also must add. Which will angry greatly. I am sorry. I mean no offense. I considered myself having no loyalty. Eventhough yes I am represent by my alliance I currently serving. But I don't endorse or represent an alliance. I am independent.

I still call all factions my home. But I will now only help the factions who is currently hurting. Which in this case. Blues.

Thus I am considered as a traitor to many. But a hero to some.

Therefore I also have respect for you.

OtarTheMad · April 2016

Honestly I only have one character who isn't AD and he's EP and he's only level 25 but I don't think it's an exploit. I think the only time I jumped to my EP character from my AD one (and went to the same campaign) was when AD was doing some messed up stuff (gate camping) and my objections in zone resulted in some major heat from those camping... so I switched so I could help those EP push out.

Serjustin19 · April 2016

TheValkyn wrote: »

I play all factions and have loyalty to none besides the people I play with.

That's how I currently feel right now. Want to save Scourge PS4 EU. Us AD won't let any other factions keep anything. Thus I be creating a new blue. Since blues are still currently hurting more. I will do the same for any alliance who are hurting more.

But like you. I have no loyalty to whatever alliance. I do not represent nor endorse any alliance. I am totally independent. But I choose to serve on the hurting faction more.

Thus I am known as a traitor to many. But a hero to some.

Arobain · April 2016

all the people that are exploiting it, and getting all the AP, are saying no, LOL

Xvorg · April 2016

So, acording to OP, loyalty is more important than fun?

By the way, OP, it is something you can do it too. It is your choice not to do it as it is my choice to have all my toons playing for EP