so they reduced cloak locking time to 3 sec while leaving the mage light duration @ 6s

cyx54tc · March 2016

First I thought they finally did something good there by reducing the locking time even though I feel like the ability shouldn't be locked but instead only the caster could see. Now I realize that the light actually lasts for 6 seconds. Great...that means cloak is completely useless if someone casts radiant mage light every 7 seconds. It doesn't even have to stay in his/her front bar. Now can we have evil hunter to deal bonus damage on shields and locking shield abilities for 3 sec when cast please?

Didgerion · March 2016

As long as cloak reliably works then I don't see a problem with it.

NB has lots of CC skills: Fear, Shadow Image, Cripple and more

Use them to create some gap and then cloak. Going invisible right under the enemy's nose was a bit OP back in the past.

DisgracefulMind · March 2016

cyx54tc wrote: »

First I thought they finally did something good there by reducing the locking time even though I feel like the ability shouldn't be locked but instead only the caster could see. Now I realize that the light actually lasts for 6 seconds. Great...that means cloak is completely useless if someone casts radiant mage light every 7 seconds. It doesn't even have to stay in his/her front bar. Now can we have evil hunter to deal bonus damage on shields and locking shield abilities for 3 sec when cast please?

As someone who plays magicka nightblade, I don't mind this at all. Though I was never the type to spam cloak endlessly. Nightblades have some of the best utility in game. I think this is a fine change.

cyx54tc · March 2016

Didgerion wrote: »

As long as cloak reliable works then I don't see a problem with it.

NB has lots of CC skills: Fear, Shadow Image, Cripple and more

Use them to create some gap and then cloak. Going invisible right under the enemy's nose was a bit OP back in the past.

except theres something called gap closer. you need to be 13m away from the caster to not be revealed by radiant mage light. I would still call it impossible.

SemiD4rkness · March 2016

This is not hide and seek, fight back like a man

cyx54tc · March 2016

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

cyx54tc wrote: »

First I thought they finally did something good there by reducing the locking time even though I feel like the ability shouldn't be locked but instead only the caster could see. Now I realize that the light actually lasts for 6 seconds. Great...that means cloak is completely useless if someone casts radiant mage light every 7 seconds. It doesn't even have to stay in his/her front bar. Now can we have evil hunter to deal bonus damage on shields and locking shield abilities for 3 sec when cast please?

As someone who plays magicka nightblade, I don't mind this at all. Though I was never the type to spam cloak endlessly. Nightblades have some of the best utility in game. I think this is a fine change.

Guess I have to go back to the one shoot style. Alchemist -> mage light -> snipe and run

cyx54tc · March 2016

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

This is not hide and seek, fight back like a man

if evil hunter locks shield then I feel that's balanced

SemiD4rkness · March 2016

cyx54tc wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

This is not hide and seek, fight back like a man

if evil hunter locks shield then I feel that's balanced

Wanna talk balance? How about fear compared to every other cc in this game. The best one by far.

Rikumaru · March 2016

Didgerion wrote: »

As long as cloak reliable works then I don't see a problem with it.

NB has lots of CC skills: Fear, Shadow Image, Cripple and more

Use them to create some gap and then cloak. Going invisible right under the enemy's nose was a bit OP back in the past.

I 100% agree with this as a NB. However ZOS has destroyed mobility this patch, not just with the 10% decreased movement speed but they ruined something with general mobility (no stam regen while sprinting and super decreased movement speed when jumping). Combine with the cloak nerf its impossible to disengage and reengage as a nb.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · March 2016

It seems sort of silly to me. Radiant use to detect ALL the time as long as it was toggled on.

So If they are going to change it to an active skill and have it lock people out of stealth, i think it would make sense that the detection time would only be as long as the lock out time.

Or make ine toggle lock out for 3 and detect for 3 and have one with no lockout and 30 second detection.

You know to be different.

puffy99 · March 2016

Good! NB's are easy peasy to play- bout time they got smacked around.

cyx54tc · March 2016

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

cyx54tc wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

This is not hide and seek, fight back like a man

if evil hunter locks shield then I feel that's balanced

Wanna talk balance? How about fear compared to every other cc in this game. The best one by far.

Fossilize and Rune Prison bypass block too from what I remember. People just don't use it for some reason.

cyx54tc · March 2016

puffy99 wrote: »

Good! NB's are easy peasy to play- bout time they got smacked around.

You know the nerf cycle is never going to end if this goes on right...NB would cry about other classes too op cuz cloak is gone and later sorc is gonna cry about shield got nerf (when it happens) ect.

khele23eb17_ESO · March 2016

Didgerion wrote: »

As long as cloak reliable works then I don't see a problem with it.

NB has lots of CC skills: Fear, Shadow Image, Cripple and more

Use them to create some gap and then cloak. Going invisible right under the enemy's nose was a bit OP back in the past.

But shielding while being stabbed in the face is fine?

vamp_emily · March 2016

puffy99 wrote: »

Good! NB's are easy peasy to play- bout time they got smacked around.

Have you ever played a Sorcerer?

It is funny how people say NBs are "Easy Mode". I just started leveling a Magic Sorcerer, and that my friend is what I call "Easy Easy Peasy Mode".

Forestd16b14_ESO · March 2016

Seriously ? They changed RML and flares stealth lock to 3 seconds cause of NB crying to begin with adn you NBs ar still crying about it ? You NBs are just gonna cry till the remove the entire stealth lock de-buff is removed from the game aren't you ?

idk · March 2016

My main is a stamblade and I take no issues with the cloak and Mage light changes. Overall there is good rational for the changes to stealth. It was a little OP before.

Tankqull · March 2016

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

cyx54tc wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

This is not hide and seek, fight back like a man

if evil hunter locks shield then I feel that's balanced

Wanna talk balance? How about fear compared to every other cc in this game. The best one by far.

nah thats the bugged rev. bash, followed by fossilize and then third is fear.

leepalmer95 · March 2016

cyx54tc wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

cyx54tc wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

This is not hide and seek, fight back like a man

if evil hunter locks shield then I feel that's balanced

Wanna talk balance? How about fear compared to every other cc in this game. The best one by far.

Fossilize and Rune Prison bypass block too from what I remember. People just don't use it for some reason.

*Le Sigh*

There not in the same league, aoe cc, snares, minor maim, doesn't break in dmg. Others break on dmg and are single target.

SemiD4rkness · March 2016

Tankqull wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

cyx54tc wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

This is not hide and seek, fight back like a man

if evil hunter locks shield then I feel that's balanced

Wanna talk balance? How about fear compared to every other cc in this game. The best one by far.

nah thats the bugged rev. bash, followed by fossilize and then third is fear.

Lol fear is better than those 2 combined.

AddictionX · March 2016

cyx54tc wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

cyx54tc wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

This is not hide and seek, fight back like a man

if evil hunter locks shield then I feel that's balanced

Wanna talk balance? How about fear compared to every other cc in this game. The best one by far.

Fossilize and Rune Prison bypass block too from what I remember. People just don't use it for some reason.

oh goody he mentions a dk skill...

..... fossilze breaks on damage... doesnt target 3 people and force them to run the other way when in reality... its always the nb that runs(makes no effing sense)... idk what so scary about a dude crouching and poking me with knifes..... i vote for a CP skill called fearless, so i can stop being feared from a button.... i would put all of 100 cp into it and hunt nbs for fun.

....that is all....

cyx54tc · March 2016

for all those crying about fear. Lets start counting. What skills are unique to NB and is somehow better than other classes?

1. Fear
2. Regen passive
3. (Maybe) if you gonna say the 10% stealth damage passive...alright I will give you credit for that
4. cloak, currently only useful for bypassing mobs in sewer which I am going to put it in the useless list

anyone wanna start counting for other classes?

Egonieser · March 2016

I was doing PvP all day today and not ONCE did I see a single Magelight, not once...
PvP on my magblade is pretty much unchanged, except for lack of DoT purge with Dark Cloak, but it suppresses them fine so no issue aswell.

Refuse2GrowUp · March 2016

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

My main is a stamblade and I take no issues with the cloak and Mage light changes. Overall there is good rational for the changes to stealth. It was a little OP before.

+1

PvP was too easy on my Stam NB. Rarely played him for that reason. Might just dust him off and try him out again.

Gotta love all the whining tho

Junkogen · March 2016

Egonieser wrote: »

I was doing PvP all day today and not ONCE did I see a single Magelight, not once...
PvP on my magblade is pretty much unchanged, except for lack of DoT purge with Dark Cloak, but it suppresses them fine so no issue aswell.

Probably because most people can counter NBs with ease. There are so many counters to cloak. It's just the whiny few that feel the need to try and spoil the game for others.

Cloak was never OP. NBs are easy kills compared to other classes. They've always just been an annoyance. I've never understood all the cloak whining.

Didgerion · March 2016

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

As long as cloak reliable works then I don't see a problem with it.

NB has lots of CC skills: Fear, Shadow Image, Cripple and more

Use them to create some gap and then cloak. Going invisible right under the enemy's nose was a bit OP back in the past.

But shielding while being stabbed in the face is fine?

You mean shield stacking? - like using 2 abilities to stack shields?
First of all it has nothing to do with cloaking.
Second of all it takes 2 skills to put shields on...it takes exactly 2 skill to fear and cloak - it is a tie - no one wins.

cyx54tc · March 2016

Didgerion wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

As long as cloak reliable works then I don't see a problem with it.

NB has lots of CC skills: Fear, Shadow Image, Cripple and more

Use them to create some gap and then cloak. Going invisible right under the enemy's nose was a bit OP back in the past.

But shielding while being stabbed in the face is fine?

You mean shield stacking? - like using 2 abilities to stack shields?
First of all it has nothing to do with cloaking.
Second of all it takes 2 skills to put shields on...it takes exactly 2 skill to fear and cloak - it is a tie - no one wins.

you get 10k shield instant cast. Which means you don't need healing skill most of the time. At the same time you get tons of survivability. And you can stack the shields to take roughly 3-4 hits from another player AND make their crit rate useless. Yea I call it a tie. Even if it was a tie, now that cloak got a hard counter (mage light). That's why I'm saying I want evil hunter as a hard counter to shield which is reasonable isn't it.

Refuse2GrowUp · March 2016

cyx54tc wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

As long as cloak reliable works then I don't see a problem with it.

NB has lots of CC skills: Fear, Shadow Image, Cripple and more

Use them to create some gap and then cloak. Going invisible right under the enemy's nose was a bit OP back in the past.

But shielding while being stabbed in the face is fine?

You mean shield stacking? - like using 2 abilities to stack shields?
First of all it has nothing to do with cloaking.
Second of all it takes 2 skills to put shields on...it takes exactly 2 skill to fear and cloak - it is a tie - no one wins.

you get 10k shield instant cast. Which means you don't need healing skill most of the time. At the same time you get tons of survivability. And you can stack the shields to take roughly 3-4 hits from another player AND make their crit rate useless. Yea I call it a tie. Even if it was a tie, now that cloak got a hard counter (mage light). That's why I'm saying I want evil hunter as a hard counter to shield which is reasonable isn't it.

no

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · March 2016

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Seriously ? They changed RML and flares stealth lock to 3 seconds cause of NB crying to begin with adn you NBs ar still crying about it ? You NBs are just gonna cry till the remove the entire stealth lock de-buff is removed from the game aren't you ?

I will be happy when it's gone yes a skill grey out for a class defense power is pure bs. It would be fair if I should lock out shield and class based heals. At the end of the day Cloak was by far the most countered power and with every complicating about Bats and Steel Tornado it's not AoEs were rare at all.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

cyx54tc wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

cyx54tc wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

This is not hide and seek, fight back like a man

if evil hunter locks shield then I feel that's balanced

Wanna talk balance? How about fear compared to every other cc in this game. The best one by far.

Fossilize and Rune Prison bypass block too from what I remember. People just don't use it for some reason.

*Le Sigh*

There not in the same league, aoe cc, snares, minor maim, doesn't break in dmg. Others break on dmg and are single target.

For the class with no options besides a Tank or a canon. Plus fear has a low range 6m. No one calls Herotic Slash op it snares, has minor main and builds ult 15% less damage and cost then Surprise Attack. Let's not forget One Hand and Shield passives.

Give Nightblades real defense powers where we can stand and fight not a fear cc or a ohh sh*t run power then we can talk. People with powerful class defenses/heals calling Nightblades op cause they suck at their need to go.

Burning_Talons · March 2016

cyx54tc wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

cyx54tc wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

This is not hide and seek, fight back like a man

if evil hunter locks shield then I feel that's balanced

Wanna talk balance? How about fear compared to every other cc in this game. The best one by far.

Fossilize and Rune Prison bypass block too from what I remember. People just don't use it for some reason.

Because they break on damage unlike fear

PlagueMonk · March 2016

vamp_emily wrote: »

puffy99 wrote: »

Good! NB's are easy peasy to play- bout time they got smacked around.

Have you ever played a Sorcerer?

It is funny how people say NBs are "Easy Mode". I just started leveling a Magic Sorcerer, and that my friend is what I call "Easy Easy Peasy Mode".

Pretty much this.

I see Sorc just run around spamming their PBAoE and refreshing their shields..../throw streak in at opportune times.

I still want to know when NBs are getting a skill that allows us to shut off shields or prevents ANY healing. Seems fair if you can remove our defensive ability. Either that or just remove cloak and give us the same defensive skills other classes have.