For the love of Talos!! Fix Wrecking Blow and fear

Burning_Talons · March 2016

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

For the Love of Talos?......Who is Talos?

OMFG Zeni edited my post it said God at first

Burning_Talons · March 2016

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Stamina management, ever heard of it? Vital part of PvP.

I try but its hard to manage stam when it doesnt regen because you have to jeep blocking WB

I suggest moving out of the way instead of just sitting there with block up until death arrives. Movement is key to pvp combat.

As far as fear, it's literally the only defense a nb has. No shields. Ok, 3 seconds of invis it detection has not occured.

3 seconds? I could be invisible for hours

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · March 2016

Did you know the gods like talos were named after bethesda developers?

Aldruin · March 2016

"no its called adaption get use to it"

You just answered your own thread. Get used to it.

Makkir · March 2016

Junkogen wrote: »

I'm tired of ZOS listening to posts like this when the solution is in the post, but the poster refuses to use the solution. Stamina management. Fear can be broken free from using stamina. There's already a counter.

Stop the nerfs.

It's not a reliable way of countering it. I cannot count on 100 hands how many times I have been fear/stun locked with a full stamina bar and not being able to break free.

There are bugs that people abuse.

Burning_Talons · March 2016

Aldruin wrote: »

"no its called adaption get use to it"

You just answered your own thread. Get used to it.

Been playing a MagKnight you cant tell me to get used to anything been adapting for the longest but I shouldnt have to revolve my whole build around a single skill

LorDrek · March 2016

In PVP will be no stamina builds, no wb, only magicka detonation, magicka build this game name The Elder magicka online. ZOS completly destroy stamina builds in PVP, no regen in block, sprint, stealth, any regen ZOS pleas remove stamina regen, i do not understand why in this game.

DaveMoeDee · March 2016

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Aldruin wrote: »

"no its called adaption get use to it"

You just answered your own thread. Get used to it.

Been playing a MagKnight you cant tell me to get used to anything been adapting for the longest but I shouldnt have to revolve my whole build around a single skill

Then accept that your character will have strengths and vulnerabilities.

DaveMoeDee · March 2016

Tankqull wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Mikmak wrote: »

C'mon OP, there are loads and loads of magic users out there that can counter these things with ease and still have the dmg output and/or sustain to kill or 1vx.

The only problem with fear is the bug where you fear or get feared through walls/environment.

The only problem with wb is the crazy range it can sometimes clip you at.

Both those problems are just frustrating but not game breaking as they don't happen often enough.

I don't through out the L2P card very often but if either of these things are the only reason you keep losing fights you are the one who needs to make adjustments.

So you are telling me I should change my whole build to counter a single broken mechanic? No thats not how it should work

well you know that nice little game, stone - paper - scissors? currently you are fighting a stone as a scissor... switch your stat buff food for reg drinks and everything is fine.

"Scissors is OP! I lose every time!!!"

- Paper

Vangy · March 2016

Troll post is troll. If u must know, talos himself is known for spamming Wb and fear. All those stories of him having superior strategy is him instructing his Zerg of Nords and imperial to spam steel nado and fear.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · March 2016

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Mikmak wrote: »

C'mon OP, there are loads and loads of magic users out there that can counter these things with ease and still have the dmg output and/or sustain to kill or 1vx.

The only problem with fear is the bug where you fear or get feared through walls/environment.

The only problem with wb is the crazy range it can sometimes clip you at.

Both those problems are just frustrating but not game breaking as they don't happen often enough.

I don't through out the L2P card very often but if either of these things are the only reason you keep losing fights you are the one who needs to make adjustments.

So you are telling me I should change my whole build to counter a single broken mechanic? No thats not how it should work

Are you seriously gonna say that?? like really, it's not a broken mechanic it is the limitations of making a straight up Magicka build..

My Nightblade is a Stamina heavy Hybrid, I have like 14-15k magicka so I can use Magicka abilities much more than a standard Stam build and as such I give up extra damage for it but I am more flexible with my Abilities..

Your problem is that you want to be the best DPS and have your cake (stamina break free) too..

all I can say is if you are unwilling to adapt and learn 2 play (Wrecking Blow can be reset by space or walking through the Player enemy, so either keep your distance or get close and walk through them, add a point or 2 to stam, use tri-food instead of just magicka and health Blue food, and or drinks for recovery for Break Free..).

..then you can keep dying..

Good luck with that..

Oh yeah, and if you are unwilling to do that... well tough your gonna get met with opposition to your Forum posts on the subject by others..

DRXHarbinger · March 2016

Poor NBs use WB these days anyway. Weave and sup attack gives far higher dps. Can't really be cancelled either. It's only good for ..oh look a vampire...sneak, Camo, rally..then bang in the back of the head for an instakill. Getting skilled by this is stupid. Remarkably I am yet to see a thread about nerfing overload. The amount of people I've melted in 3 hits is unreal and I can chuck out over 30 of them lol. Never seen a QQ thread over it.

Wait till clever alchemist starts rolling out. You know...sneak as nb gives guaranteed crit...so pop a potion that's 600 weapon damage and briarheart on crit gives 500 then a Kena proc....I don't see many people other than a paranoid sorc or magika DK surviving the ambush and sup attack. Instant 5.5k weapon damage easily achievable on a nb now. Even a sneak and crit rush with a maelstrom axe will probably kill most people without a shield up. WB is the least of your worries. Plus op your gear and stats are poor.

Necrelios · March 2016

Burning_Talons wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

For the Love of Talos?......Who is Talos?

OMFG Zeni edited my post it said God at first

Yeah and Talos ain't even been born yet. But if he were around, I'm sure he would agree that Fear is a little on the strong side, which could be one of the reasons you see so many NB's around. But then Talos would turn around and Shout at a NB until their brains poured out of their ears.

pfalzer · March 2016

Burning_Talons wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Junkogen wrote: »

I'm tired of ZOS listening to posts like this when the solution is in the post, but the poster refuses to use the solution. Stamina management. Fear can be broken free from using stamina. There's already a counter.

Stop the nerfs.

2 things
*Fear doesnt always break
*As I said before cant manage stam against a WB spammer as a magic build unless i want to die

Maybe use a different build then?

Why the hell should I change my build over one class? That is further lroof of a broken mechanic

Wrecking blow is a weapon skill not a class skill smeh... 10k stamina with 500sth regen no wonder you are getting killed. And this is a prime reason it will not be fixed bc there is nothing to fix. Even i have a higer magicka and magicka regen while being a stam dps/tank. Like ive said and many before in countless other WB threads, you need enough stam to block, dodge, and break or you will die.

xarguideb17_ESO · March 2016

NB fear is the best CC in the game and inexcusably OP.

Unblockable
Effects 3 people
No targeting required
Instant cast
Makes you leave where you were
Doesn't break on damage
Drains stamina
Gives you physical res via passive
Gives you +max health via passive

Really, how many bonuses can you stack to an instant cast CC?

With wrecking blow I disagree though.
Firstly it is available to everyone;
secondly, you can avoid it by just going behind the blower or block it for less damage;
third, it has a casting time. True, blocking that costs a lot of stamina and that kind of sucks.
This is a high risk+high reward skill, very satisfying when you hit, but sucks when you miss.
It does kinda suck that people spam it, but hey, you only get the measly 5 slots for skills in your bar, one of them should be a decent damage skill that you can spam.

Tdroid · March 2016

Master_Kas wrote: »

It never stops xD

They just need to fix the broken CCbreak and cc immunity overall.

Indeed.

On the specific changes, I agree that the fear effect is really annoying. Not because it can't be blocked, but because there is a delay in how fast you can break free of it and that your character starts to move on his own. Let us break free of it right away and let us at least stand where we were when we got hit by it.

As for the whole "I can't manage stamina on my PvP magic build", I only have this to say: PvP does not, I repeat; does not, follow the same general rules as PvE. Yes, putting everything into stamina or magicka is viable as a PvE damage dealer, since it is all about predictable enemies, group support and sustained damage.

PvP, on the other hand, is largely about mobility, burst, crowd control and anti-crowd control. If you want a dedicated PvP character, they are going to have to look different from your PvE character, because the battlefield is so different. Even if you don't want to change your attribute settup, I'd recommend enchanting some armor pieces with stamina bonus to make up for this resource lack.