There's no excuse for not playing on the non-CP campaign

Curtdogg47 · March 2016

No competition is ever completely balanced or fair. Because there is always going to be people that are better skilled! There will be people that understand the game and how to build for better success. And there are the elite who do both really well.
This idea that anything can be balanced or made to create a level playing field is stupid. The only way you get better is by taking on and losing to the best and then learning and tweaking your build until to beat them!
It's frustrating but when you do win! It's awesome!
CP or Non CP makes no difference. The best will still be the best. And those who cry for level playing fields will be back to crying!

Inarre · March 2016

Erondil wrote: »

Heck I'm emperor on Azura EU PC and I have the same tooltip as non-emp on another campaign. Thats how impactful CP are in PvP nowadays.

I feel like this is actually an argument in favour of non cp campaigns

if cp are making the average player as powerful as the emperor how is that balanced pvp? Your argument is that cp is needed to achieve that but to me that just sounds like people with cap cp are as powerful as an emperor with no cp, and how is that balanced?

Curtdogg47 wrote: »

No competition is ever completely balanced or fair. Because there is always going to be people that are better skilled! There will be people that understand the game and how to build for better success. And there are the elite who do both really well.
This idea that anything can be balanced or made to create a level playing field is stupid. The only way you get better is by taking on and losing to the best and then learning and tweaking your build until to beat them!
It's frustrating but when you do win! It's awesome!
CP or Non CP makes no difference. The best will still be the best. And those who cry for level playing fields will be back to crying!

I think the idea of a balanced gameplay is so that you can pit skill vs skill and the victor wins because he (oooor she!) played better.... Not had cap cp, in this case (or being substantially over geared, broken skills, macros, etc etc etc.)

Sallington · March 2016

No thanks. I don't feel like putting together an entirely new set of gear to account for the loss of all my CPs

starlizard70ub17_ESO · March 2016

I have the feeling that Azura non-cp will be the campaign PvE'er go to do the quests in Cryodiil because of the lower population. At least until some guild decides to make it a "buff server" for their alliance.

Kupoking · March 2016

Ppl saying no cp is unbalance NEVER played on no cp.

MikeB · March 2016

People like having an advantage over others so math can pick up where they fail. But to those its skill that got them the kill not the advantage.

After screaming for a non-CP campaign, getting them and they now complain about them.

timidobserver · March 2016

Sirvandal wrote: »

What I find most annoying is that Zeni kills the Azura population. I have manny game buddies in there and its now ripped apart due of the Non-CP. Why didn't Zeni use a low populated server...anyway its to late now. Tnx Zeni! Great Job. :'(

Ps. I like the concept of a non-cp campaign. Diversity in a game is good imo.

Their way of trying to get people to give nocp a chance. I don't even plan to go into it. I just wish they would have ended the campaign so that I can get my rewards and change to another. Now I will be stuck with Azura as home until it resets.

Robbmrp · March 2016

I had a really good time while I was in there yesterday. I was only able to find a couple of small fights but they were a lot of fun. With No CP, it takes more into account your skill as a PVPer, your build and ability to respond. Just as PVP should be, not based off some farmed stat giving someone a huge edge over another.

Kupoking · March 2016

Lets talk about no cp 'balance'

-no more healing ward, harden ward spam because of run out of magika
-no more breath of life spam same reason
-no more dark cloak spam -..
-no more almost infijite roll dodging due to stam regen and dodge cost are nerfed
-no more infinite blocking while casting magika abilities due to block cost unaffected by cp

Also...

-fights that actually ends when players screws up
-no more potatoe spamming jerks
-regen build are available for you to spam skills but at least you deal less dmg to compensate (dont cry about it its easy. Change you jewel enchant for regen instead of dmg)
-glass cannons are 'all in' as it should be with real risk vs reward

Now this comes from a person who got maxed out in cp when the cap in wrothgar took place. Its not a "i spent time getting cp now i wanna use it to wreck ppl" issue. Its more of a "i cant be carried by my inflated regen cp got me" thing.

Oh and about challenge. This no cp thing gives room to a lot of challenging fight situations. I can understand some ppl are not gonna want to risk it because they dont feel confident w/o their CP. But I can picture this server being the most competitive thing in this game right now.

Joy_Division · March 2016

There are plenty of reasons

Need to completely respec my character to play according to a different rule-set from the rest of the game.
ZoS rolled-up up base game power/mechanics from the base game and into the CP system under the assumption we'd get them back
Need for completely different gear set-up and with the crazy expensive mats and tortuous RNG, I can't even get a single set I want.
The BattleSpirit mechanic in the game was implemented because players had too many CPs. It's still there even though we have no CPs.
If I wanted to play in a everyone-is-equal-Karl-Marxian ESO utopia, I'd go to Backwater Blade where no CPS belong (though the Battlespirit thing has got to go) due to it being specifically a nonvet campaign.
Most people who asked ZoS for no CPs wanted to go back to something like 1.5, not create some Frankenstein mix of CP system and no CP system.

Forestd16b14_ESO · March 2016

Try playing a tank and or HA user in PvP with out CP then come making threads about non-CP stuff.

Kupoking · March 2016

Joy_Division wrote: »

There are plenty of reasons
Need to completely respec my character to play according to a different rule-set from the rest of the game.

ZoS rolled-up up base game power/mechanics from the base game and into the CP system under the assumption we'd get them back

Need for completely different gear set-up and with the crazy expensive mats and tortuous RNG, I can't even get a single set I want.

The BattleSpirit mechanic in the game was implemented because players had too many CPs. It's still there even though we have no CPs.

If I wanted to play in a everyone-is-equal-Karl-Marxian ESO utopia, I'd go to Backwater Blade where no CPS belong (though the Battlespirit thing has got to go) due to it being specifically a nonvet campaign.

Most people who asked ZoS for no CPs wanted to go back to something like 1.5, not create some Frankenstein mix of CP system and no CP system.

1- changing gear to adjust is easy
2-no they have not. Have u ever tried max cp on pts? Its total ***.
3- battle spirit was because ppl cryed about 1 shots
4- getting the right items through crafting is possible. Complain about rng? About it being not fair while making communist joke? I could say here that you blame rng as sone ppl blame cp for lack of skill.
5- most pl askrd for no cp because cp system is a mess and is completely *** up and ***.

MikeB · March 2016

Joy_Division wrote: »

There are plenty of reasons
Need to completely respec my character to play according to a different rule-set from the rest of the game.

ZoS rolled-up up base game power/mechanics from the base game and into the CP system under the assumption we'd get them back

Need for completely different gear set-up and with the crazy expensive mats and tortuous RNG, I can't even get a single set I want.

The BattleSpirit mechanic in the game was implemented because players had too many CPs. It's still there even though we have no CPs.

If I wanted to play in a everyone-is-equal-Karl-Marxian ESO utopia, I'd go to Backwater Blade where no CPS belong (though the Battlespirit thing has got to go) due to it being specifically a nonvet campaign.

Most people who asked ZoS for no CPs wanted to go back to something like 1.5, not create some Frankenstein mix of CP system and no CP system.

You can't go to BWB as Vet. You call battle spirit a mix of CP & no CP's? The abilities in this game do to much damage for player health w/o CP's, so battle spirit is still needed. The mats thing I understand but the rest is BS. No CP's with battle spirit leads to actual skill vs skill fights where everything you do matters.

Elijah_Crow · March 2016

My main character gets some of my bonuses from gear and some from CP. for example I don't run stamina cost reduction on gear due to having it in CP and I run less stamina regen on gear because I have it in CP. I would have to re-gear completely to play in a non CP campaign so that my character was balanced enough to play.

No thank you for artificial deflation. However, I'm glad you have the option for those that want it.

Praeficere · March 2016

Azura on EU PC is very populated with fantastic, competitive, challenging and rewarding PvP. Funnily enough, not much build adjustment was needed due to how PvP is different across all aspects, although I already ran a build with reduced cost, just more use of heavy attacks was needed. Some players have moved to 5 seducer/Willows, getting that in v15 purple isn't any work at all. It's like a rollback to 1.4/1.5 here but more balanced. Oh and there's no lag without the guild spam groups.. it's just great..

CP as it is was definitely a mistake, and that is ever so evident in the new Azura.

Joy_Division wrote: »

There are plenty of reasons

[*] Most people who asked ZoS for no CPs wanted to go back to something like 1.5, not create some Frankenstein mix of CP system and no CP system.

It almost is 1.5

Sausage · March 2016

Im looking forward to it, but I expect it to be the same.

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

LMAO.... you do realise the game was rebalanced to account for the introduction of the Champion System right?

I thought it was to help with bad aka Non-Viable builds? And players can play how they want like this game was advertised, but Zen's style was just another power-grab, now nearly all players run with similiar builds.

Robbmrp · March 2016

I'm running 5 Julianos, 3 Willpower and 3 Magnus with my setup and didn't have to change a thing with it. Do I run out of resources, in a long fight of course. Am I going to respec my character for "what ifs" hell no.

To anyone who things they need a respec/rebuild/regear or what not I say only this....TRY IT OUT. Go in and see how you do with your current setup. You may not need to change a thing. You may actually enjoy the campaign as it is now.

You'll never know unless you try it.

bikerangelo · March 2016

I only needed to add a couple jewelry enchants for regen. The reduction in damage is pretty significant, but it wasn't as bad as I thought it'd be.

Robbmrp wrote: »

You'll never know unless you try it.

Quoted. For. Truth. Also, there's no lag.

Elijah_Crow · March 2016

Robbmrp wrote: »

I'm running 5 Julianos, 3 Willpower and 3 Magnus with my setup and didn't have to change a thing with it. Do I run out of resources, in a long fight of course. Am I going to respec my character for "what ifs" hell no.

To anyone who things they need a respec/rebuild/regear or what not I say only this....TRY IT OUT. Go in and see how you do with your current setup. You may not need to change a thing. You may actually enjoy the campaign as it is now.

You'll never know unless you try it.

Have you re-runed each of your willpower jewelry for legendary spell damage instead of recovery, or are you just using the stock jewelry as is? Sorry, would have to have a set of CP gear and a set of non CP gear. One of the reasons I enjoy PvP in this game is I don't have to carry a second set of gear.

DHale · March 2016

I went in bwb last night on my level 36 imperial dk killed about 22 ppl in seven minutes. Talons they dodge roll once out of stamina talons again dropped my standard of might.. GG GN. But I am thankful I spanked all of them as I was out of Stam and magic. Got back on my vet toon went to haderus. The cp was the only thing saving some of you. Have fun but I will not be joining a non fast paced battle environment where heavy attacking is the main sustain for dps.

remilafo · March 2016

Huggalump wrote: »

Did I fit enough negatives into the title?

Anyhow, non-CP pvp is VERY good for the game. Everyone should be playing in it to encourage ZOS to open more non-CP campaigns. Non-CP is how the pvp should be in ESO.

Maybe, there are issues with non-cp eso pvp though.

Of course, it levels the playing field so new players aren't instantly turned off by pvp.

This is true, new comers are in a better position.

But another reason non-CP pvp is good for the game is because as CP numbers rise, pvp becomes worse. There are no cooldowns in this game, so it risks being a spamfest where player skill is irrelevant and the only determining factors are gear and stats. The only thing that can keep pvp from becoming this spam fest is resource management. Champion points make resource management far too easy. PVP becomes stupid once everyone's pumped enough into resource regen and cost reduction.

Strictly from the resource management view point yeah but the reality is that it is more complicated than this and your point fall short because it is not just a one sided thing

There's no excuse for not playing in the non-CP campaign. You'd have to straight up admit you can't cut it unless carried by CP.

you are attacking here because reasons (ego), There is a very good excuse why not to play in non-cp pvp and a good excuse to play in non-cp pvp. That reason is balance, With no CP's Magicka classes have a Clear and blatant advantage at Max CP Stamina classes have the advantage. Given your signature "stam sorc" i would think you get this.

You could argue skill or whatever but the reality is that this game is NOT balanced or at least balance lies somewhere at X number of cp's...

Do the healthy thing for the game. Play in the non-CP campaign.

Well despite my argument above, i do agree with you that it is healthy for the game. Because it will EXPOSE class balance issues, if zos could balance the skill lines around a non-cp pvp that imo would be a good thing.

SEE BOLDED response above...

Joy_Division · March 2016

houimetub17_ESO wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

There are plenty of reasons
Need to completely respec my character to play according to a different rule-set from the rest of the game.

ZoS rolled-up up base game power/mechanics from the base game and into the CP system under the assumption we'd get them back

Need for completely different gear set-up and with the crazy expensive mats and tortuous RNG, I can't even get a single set I want.

The BattleSpirit mechanic in the game was implemented because players had too many CPs. It's still there even though we have no CPs.

If I wanted to play in a everyone-is-equal-Karl-Marxian ESO utopia, I'd go to Backwater Blade where no CPS belong (though the Battlespirit thing has got to go) due to it being specifically a nonvet campaign.

Most people who asked ZoS for no CPs wanted to go back to something like 1.5, not create some Frankenstein mix of CP system and no CP system.

1- changing gear to adjust is easy
2-no they have not. Have u ever tried max cp on pts? Its total ***.
3- battle spirit was because ppl cryed about 1 shots
4- getting the right items through crafting is possible. Complain about rng? About it being not fair while making communist joke? I could say here that you blame rng as sone ppl blame cp for lack of skill.
5- most pl askrd for no cp because cp system is a mess and is completely *** up and ***.

You can swear at me all you want it's obvious that you are very passionate about this.

But the OP said there was "no excuse" for not doing this and said I would be holding up progress for the game for not doing it as if I'm somehow wrong, wicked, or unskilled player for not adhering to his preferred playstyle. That was worth a Communist remark. And ZoS did change some of the base mechanics like heavy attack return and how cost reduction is calculated from what it was at launch into the CP system (one of the reasons why I dislike it).

And it's more than just about changing gear - provided one is even fortunate enough to have the mats.

Because PvE trials and Maestrom are under entirely different rules, it takes entirely different builds to do that content half competently. PvE and PvP is already bad enough as certain morphs like radiant magelight are suboptimal for PvE, but at least with the same rules, I didn't have to respec the entire character in order to switch from one to the other.

HaldaAinur · March 2016

Eh, I say play whatever campaign suits you for whatever reasons you have.

NBrookus · March 2016

After the ball group *** landed in TrueFlame last night, I went to BWB on my lowbie non-vet. Killed some, died some... it was a lot more fun than 40 people standing on top of each other spamming BoL and steel tornado. And 5 games crashes in 30 minutes in TF; zero in BwB.

I like my CP and will try out Haderus on my vet toons, but if Azura's ends up being the one campaign with a viable sized population without the zerging lagfest, that's where I'll go.

Witar · March 2016

I tend to agree with OP, playing on azura on my magicka dk is just a blast. Haven't had so much fun in ages.
Way to go Zenimax.

Duiwel · March 2016

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Duiwel wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

This game has pretty much 0 skill involved. Be at max cp and golden gear and you will be in the so called "top 1%"

& what about WoW where you just need high ilvl baby?

There is skill involved FENGRUSH, Sypher, Lefty Lucy ect...

Tell me they are not skilled

I dont give a thing about wow we are talking ESO here.
Yes they are good, as good as any other pvp dueler with max cp and best gear... not much skill involved.

Those guys know how to dodge roll & when to block. They know what counters what skill, they point out what mistakes their enemy is doing when they use the wrong skills for the wrong purpose. I think even if they 1v1'd you or most people naked ( you'd also have to be naked ) CP reset and just skills ( using the same amount of skills ). They would all still dominate.

Ebonheart1111 · March 2016

It looks like only the people who worry they wont have an advantage over other players will not go into non-cp camps. I guess skill and tactics dont register with their spammable attacks. The fear of having to actually put thought into combat is real.

Minno · March 2016

Robbmrp wrote: »

I'm running 5 Julianos, 3 Willpower and 3 Magnus with my setup and didn't have to change a thing with it. Do I run out of resources, in a long fight of course. Am I going to respec my character for "what ifs" hell no.

To anyone who things they need a respec/rebuild/regear or what not I say only this....TRY IT OUT. Go in and see how you do with your current setup. You may not need to change a thing. You may actually enjoy the campaign as it is now.

You'll never know unless you try it.

Also I was able to farm vr16 mats in cyro much more frequent than pre-TG. So in an hour you should have enough mats for pruple vr15 test build sets.

It comes down to this:

- embrace AZ as a new type of pvp revolving on resource/health management
- or embrace CP for more dmg centered pvp

The rest of the arguments are superfluous and toxic; just have fun its a game.

Master_Kas · March 2016

Erondil wrote: »

OP you didnt try it you don't know what you're talking about, the PvP needs CP nowadays with battlespirit and other changes post 1.6. Heck I'm emperor on Azura EU PC and I have the same tooltip as non-emp on another campaign. Thats how impactful CP are in PvP nowadays.
There is soo many reasons to not play on this campaign, to begin with because PvP is balanced around CP since 1.6 and without CP PvP combat is simply boring, no damage, no regen, you spend your day spamming uninterruptible heavy attacks and its super zerggy because you cant burst people (=big groups stronger). It also requires a whole new gear setup etc. If I wasnt emp I would never play on this campaign

I'm keeping azura as home tough in hope of getting juicy end of camp rewards.

Wonder if the AD no-cp players will catch up to your points to get emp, if not, you doomed them to 20 days without a chance to getting emp

Erock25 · March 2016

Uviryth wrote: »

I would never play those "Vanilla"-campaigns. I hate the notion that everybody has to be equal, no matter how much efford they put in their characters. It`s the gaming-equivalent to the participation trophy in schools.
<bläch>

@Uviryth I just gotta ask then ... how many CP do you have?

As someone with around 290 CP on PC NA who has been playing since BETA (not much time to game anymore), I will stick with non-CP campaign I think.