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For the love of Talos!! Fix Wrecking Blow and fear
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mike.eso✭✭✭✭OP, share your build/specs and we will help you change what need's to be adjusted so you stats are where they should be to give you the best chance to counter these two things.
Also,
Instead of blocking the wb try moving through the caster, stay real close and keep cc's on him/her. WB will miss and you won't have to burn stamina.
Use immovable pots with stam and health if you start to get too much pressure, this will give you back the resources you need and give you a chance to put some pressure back on the attacker.
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mike.eso✭✭✭✭jyates214b14_ESO wrote: »I wouldn't have a problem with fear if the CC break was as responsive as other CCs. You snap up from a wrecking blow immediately, but if you're feared say goodbye to character control for a minimum of two to three seconds. And even when you break that CC there seems to be a cool down for your next ability use.
Fix that then it's whatever. I'm never out of stamina, so that isnt an issue for me.
you sure this isn't just a latency issue? I have a pretty good guess when nb's are going to use fear in their rotation (i run a nb) and if i time it right i cc break from fear immediately with no issue.
I've never seen the next ability cool down issue...if that happens its not intended and just another bug.0 -
Durham✭✭✭✭✭
✭I have no problem with Wrecking Blow they need to increase the wind up time so its not so spammable
No its already 1 sec cast and it's not spamable at 1 sec... plus now it's hits for crap... 4k hits are the norm... look at the post above .... as I play STAM builds if I see a sorc I run honestly since last night.. 4k hits with 7k dragon leap means not ever breaking 20k shields lol.... I was having serious issues taking down people last night...
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Durham✭✭✭✭✭
✭vamp_emily wrote: »lol, I created a new character today:
Stam DK, and her name is "Wrecking Blow Emily".
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Jsmalls✭✭✭✭✭
✭jyates214b14_ESO wrote: »I wouldn't have a problem with fear if the CC break was as responsive as other CCs. You snap up from a wrecking blow immediately, but if you're feared say goodbye to character control for a minimum of two to three seconds. And even when you break that CC there seems to be a cool down for your next ability use.
Fix that then it's whatever. I'm never out of stamina, so that isnt an issue for me.
you sure this isn't just a latency issue? I have a pretty good guess when nb's are going to use fear in their rotation (i run a nb) and if i time it right i cc break from fear immediately with no issue.
I've never seen the next ability cool down issue...if that happens its not intended and just another bug.
I usually play on low population servers with great ping and responsiveness, but from time to time it just takes my character a sec or two to cast it's next ability and it only seems like it's from fear for me. I'm sure it's not an intended part of the ability, but at least in my case that's really the only CC that causes loss of control like that. And we all know the unbreakable CC it creates from time to time.Edited by Jsmalls on March 8, 2016 2:10PM0 -
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Burning_Talons wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Burning_Talons wrote: »I'm tired of ZOS listening to posts like this when the solution is in the post, but the poster refuses to use the solution. Stamina management. Fear can be broken free from using stamina. There's already a counter.
Stop the nerfs.
2 things
*Fear doesnt always break
*As I said before cant manage stam against a WB spammer as a magic build unless i want to die
Maybe use a different build then?
Why the hell should I change my build over one class? That is further lroof of a broken mechanic
So instead of changing your build to adapt you just think ZOS should hold your hand? lol3 -
mike.eso✭✭✭✭jyates214b14_ESO wrote: »jyates214b14_ESO wrote: »I wouldn't have a problem with fear if the CC break was as responsive as other CCs. You snap up from a wrecking blow immediately, but if you're feared say goodbye to character control for a minimum of two to three seconds. And even when you break that CC there seems to be a cool down for your next ability use.
Fix that then it's whatever. I'm never out of stamina, so that isnt an issue for me.
you sure this isn't just a latency issue? I have a pretty good guess when nb's are going to use fear in their rotation (i run a nb) and if i time it right i cc break from fear immediately with no issue.
I've never seen the next ability cool down issue...if that happens its not intended and just another bug.
I usually play on low population servers with great ping and responsiveness, but from time to time it just takes my character a sec or two to cast it's next ability and it only seems like it's from fear for me. I'm sure it's not an intended part of the ability, but at least in my case that's really the only CC that causes loss of control like that. And we all know the unbreakable CC it creates from time to time.
Odd, I've never seen the cool down bug, i'll keep an eye out for it.
The unbreakable cc is not just a fear issue, it is cc mechanic issue that can be cause by getting hit with multiple cc's simultaneously, as well as a couple other ways.
Fear gets the brunt of it for the perma cc though because nb's have the ability to stealth stun with surprise attack and fear all in 1s and this can cause fear to bug out. (If we're talking about that combo or perma cc's, then we need to have a separate discussion, those are bugs)
OP, seems to be having issues managing stam when the two abilities are functioning correctly. If he shares his specs we may be able to help him out with his stam management issues or at least get him moving in the right direction.
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Airyus✭✭✭I play a magic sorc I wished they would buff wrecking blow. Nothing wrong with it, fear gives me free cc immunity I break it in less than a second. It is not optional to not adapt to other ppls strengths, you want to build and play to be offensive and do nothing for defense. I run 7 Inpen minimum. I run immovable pots or immovable the heavy armor skill I have 50 pts in cp resistance red tree. I now have 100 in hardy. Wrecking blow hits me for 4 k even an emp hits me for 7 k to nine k. That's in light armor btw... Light. Quit asking zos to make this game any more easy mode. For fear make a separate mouse button be your break free. Also half the wrecking blows miss cause you can walk into them. I walked into a guy trying to wb me this last weekend he got so mad he gave up... never hit me once. Great players can wrecking blow anyone... Most ppl are not great players. Also for heck sake level sword and board. Spec defensive stance. Do things to make you survive rather than asking for needless nerfs.
What he said. Figure out what's killing you and play with all the combinations of skills, passives, CP options. That's what's so good about this game. Options. It's all part of becoming a better player. Have fun with the possibilities.2 -
MikeB✭✭✭✭✭I love that people defend broken mechanics and tell people "l2p noob". That's one, of the many, reasons this game will never be good.1
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jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Wrecking blow is not broken. Your build is broken. Improve your build and they wont dominate you.0 -
mike.eso✭✭✭✭Burning_Talons wrote: »
Again, want to post your spec's so people can offer you more advice?1 -
Durham✭✭✭✭✭
✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Wrecking blow is not broken. Your build is broken. Improve your build and they wont dominate you.
Running 31k Stam.... 3200 unbuffed Weapon Damage
Delvs for 12k
6th 10k hits with crit
7th 5-6k hits with crit but most of the time I'm getting only 3.5 to 4k hits now
Edited by Durham on March 8, 2016 2:42PMPVP DEADWAIT
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Burning_Talons✭✭✭✭✭Burning_Talons wrote: »
Again, want to post your spec's so people can offer you more advice?
IMP mag DK V12
5pc light julianos
2pc med magnus
Weapons S+B magnus
Resto staff magnus
Front bar
Shifting standard
Flame lash
Burning embers
Burning Talons
Stone giant
FLAPPY WINGS
back bar
Igneous sheild
Green dragon blood
Violtile armour
Deep breath
Eruption
Take flight
26k mag
23k health
10k stam
1.8k spell dmg
1.1k wep
265 cp
14k sprll resist
9k physical
Usually run crit potions0 -
mike.eso✭✭✭✭Burning_Talons wrote: »Burning_Talons wrote: »
Again, want to post your spec's so people can offer you more advice?
IMP mag DK V12
5pc light julianos
2pc med magnus
Weapons S+B magnus
Resto staff magnus
Front bar
Shifting standard
Flame lash
Burning embers
Burning Talons
Stone giant
FLAPPY WINGS
back bar
Igneous sheild
Green dragon blood
Violtile armour
Deep breath
Eruption
Take flight
26k mag
23k health
10k stam
1.8k spell dmg
1.1k wep
265 cp
14k sprll resist
9k physical
Usually run crit potions
What are your regen's at?
What traits do you run on your armor?
What drink/food do you run?
Jewelry? Traits? Enchants?0 -
Burning_Talons✭✭✭✭✭Burning_Talons wrote: »Burning_Talons wrote: »
Again, want to post your spec's so people can offer you more advice?
IMP mag DK V12
5pc light julianos
2pc med magnus
Weapons S+B magnus
Resto staff magnus
Front bar
Shifting standard
Flame lash
Burning embers
Burning Talons
Stone giant
FLAPPY WINGS
back bar
Igneous sheild
Green dragon blood
Violtile armour
Deep breath
Eruption
Take flight
26k mag
23k health
10k stam
1.8k spell dmg
1.1k wep
265 cp
14k sprll resist
9k physical
Usually run crit potions
What are your regen's at?
What traits do you run on your armor?
What drink/food do you run?
Jewelry? Traits? Enchants?
1.4k mag
355 health
574 stam
5 Divines
2 impenetrable
Sharpened
No enchants as i have v16 gear waiting
2 cyrolight
1 random neckbrace0 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Burning_Talons wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Burning_Talons wrote: »I'm tired of ZOS listening to posts like this when the solution is in the post, but the poster refuses to use the solution. Stamina management. Fear can be broken free from using stamina. There's already a counter.
Stop the nerfs.
2 things
*Fear doesnt always break
*As I said before cant manage stam against a WB spammer as a magic build unless i want to die
Maybe use a different build then?
Why the hell should I change my build over one class? That is further lroof of a broken mechanic
Because that is the nature of builds. They are strong in some matchups and weak in others. If you are going to complain the the matchups where you are at a disadvantage, then you might need to reduce the advantage you have in other matchups.
What makes your comments even more questionable is that you probably kill 2 handed builds with your magicka DPS before they even get a WB in, but you only notice when it doesn't go your way.3 -
Takes-No-Prisoner✭✭✭✭✭
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Little bit of advice above and some advice on how to handle NB below. Answers in bold in the quote for some adjustments I would make personally.Burning_Talons wrote: »
2pc med magnus <--- I would switch this out for Heavy, and add skill points to Heavy passives.
Weapons S+B <-- SB is actually pretty good for tanking WB*.
*While you can tank hits with S+B, the problem here is if you block for too long, especially against a NB, you're going to provoke him to Fear.
There is a trick to avoid this is to block smartly and pop down your AoEs. If hes a Stamblade, he rush you with Critical Rush/Stampede/Ambuish, Talons him, move a short distance away and Flame whip his booty. Put down Eruption at your feet if he keeps gap closing. If he gets dumb and starts WB while in your Talons/Eruption, block the WB swing, and reapply your DoTs/Deep Breath. Any Stam/MagBlade is not going to want to be in range for your DoTs/Talons/Eruption. Eruption has a nasty snare on it, if you can apply the snare he's booty won't be going anywhere soon because if your not already dead by the time you apply DoTs/Talons/Eruption then you already have the upper hand since he has no element of surprise, plus hes moving really slow.
Should also make some Detect potions too. Because if he decides he's going to disengage, pop your Shield/Flappy Wings and go back to whatever you were doing. If hes nearby and you know it pop the Detect potion and go to town with him again.
This comes from someone who barely plays his V2 DK. But has plenty of experience on their v16 MagNB/v16 MagTemplar. And who has fought MagDKs on their NB.Edited by Takes-No-Prisoner on March 8, 2016 3:27PM0 -
mike.eso✭✭✭✭...Burning_Talons wrote: »Burning_Talons wrote: »Burning_Talons wrote: »
Again, want to post your spec's so people can offer you more advice?
IMP mag DK V12
5pc light julianos
2pc med magnus
Weapons S+B magnus
Resto staff magnus
Front bar
Shifting standard
Flame lash
Burning embers
Burning Talons
Stone giant
FLAPPY WINGS
back bar
Igneous sheild
Green dragon blood
Violtile armour
Deep breath
Eruption
Take flight
26k mag
23k health
10k stam
1.8k spell dmg
1.1k wep
265 cp
14k sprll resist
9k physical
Usually run crit potions
What are your regen's at?
What traits do you run on your armor?
What drink/food do you run?
Jewelry? Traits? Enchants?
1.4k mag
355 health
574 stam
5 Divines
2 impenetrable
Sharpened
No enchants as i have v16 gear waiting
2 cyrolight
1 random neckbrace
So you have some stuff working against you.
-You're not v16 (what level are you?), not a huge deal due to battle leveling but getting the v16 willpower 3 piece w/ enchants will definitely help.
-Your stats should be higher if you are running food or drink.
-2 piece med is fine, could also try 2 piece heavy or 1 of each if you're working on getting your undaunted passives.
-If you want to be more tanky you can run more/all impen, this will give you more resist to crits.
-You're half way to cp cap, not bad but you'll also often times will be fighting people with a lot more.
CP Focus:
Magician
Arcanist
Tumbling
Blessed
Elfborn (just 1)
Ele Exepert
Thaumaturge
Block Expert
Hardy
Ele Defender
Quick RecoveryTakes-No-Prisoner wrote: »
Little bit of advice above and some advice on how to handle NB below. Answers in bold in the quote for some adjustments I would make personally.Burning_Talons wrote: »
2pc med magnus <--- I would switch this out for Heavy, and add skill points to Heavy passives.
Weapons S+B <-- SB is actually pretty good for tanking WB*.
*While you can tank hits with S+B, the problem here is if you block for too long, especially against a NB, you're going to provoke him to Fear.
There is a trick to avoid this is to block smartly and pop down your AoEs. If hes a Stamblade, he rush you with Critical Rush/Stampede/Ambuish, Talons him, move a short distance away and Flame whip his booty. Put down Eruption at your feet if he keeps gap closing. If he gets dumb and starts WB while in your Talons/Eruption, block the WB swing, and reapply your DoTs/Deep Breath. Any Stam/MagBlade is not going to want to be in range for your DoTs/Talons/Eruption. Eruption has a nasty snare on it, if you can apply the snare he's booty won't be going anywhere soon because if your not already dead by the time you apply DoTs/Talons/Eruption then you already have the upper hand since he has no element of surprise, plus hes moving really slow.
Should also make some Detect potions too. Because if he decides he's going to disengage, pop your Shield/Flappy Wings and go back to whatever you were doing. If hes nearby and you know it pop the Detect potion and go to town with him again.
This comes from someone who barely plays his V2 DK. But has plenty of experience on their v16 MagNB/v16 MagTemplar. And who has fought MagDKs on their NB.
This is some solid advice on playstyle. Again, I'd go with immovable pots over detect ones unless you really want to track down a nb. Keep talons and cc's up and keep whippin make them roll and cc break, it's a balance game of applying pressure and maintaining resource.2 -
mike.eso✭✭✭✭Check out this thread as well.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/250778/how-to-deal-with-stam-issues-as-magicka#latest
Different class but good talk about stam management on a magic class that is having the same problem with fear/cc's1 -
jkemmery✭✭✭✭Fear is a powerful skill that is difficult to break free from, so much so, it's practically impossible. That is why so many Pvp players use nightblades. Someday it will get nerfed, just like my dragon leap did. At least that's my hope. As of now, it sucks to fight nightblades.0 -
DHale✭✭✭✭✭
✭Defensive stance is just for the blocking mitigation. Wrecking blow is not going anywhere it's been in the game since PC launch. It's not broken... no skill that every single class can run is broken I could run it on my magic sorc. I actually have it completely leveled as I do every single weapon in the game. You just would complain rather than adapt and get better. There are a half dozen things that could increase your mitigation against wb. Btw I have a vr 16 nb and and vr 16 Templar as well not just a sorc. I use the same tactics on them to mitigate my incoming damage that I do on my sorc. You must make the choice that wb and other high damage dealers will be barriers to move forward or an obstacle to overcome adapt and improvise against. Semper Fidelis.Sorcerna, proud beta sorc. RIP April 2014 to May 31 2016 DArk Brotherhood. Out of retirement for negates and encases. Sorcerna will be going back into retirement to be my main crafter Fall 2018. Because an 8 k shield is f ing useless. Died because of baddies on the forum. Too much qq too little pew pew. 16 AD 2 DC. 0 EP cause they bad, CP 2300 plus 18 level 50 toons. NA, PC, Grey Host#SORCLIVESMATTER actually they don’t or they wouldn’t keep getting nerfed constantly.1 -
Fuzzybrick✭✭✭Fear is fine as is. Now wrecking blow on the other hand only becomes a problem when someone manages to hit me with it 5 times in 1 second and I only seen one animation."A TROLL, HUH? WELL, THERE'S ONLY ONE SOLUTION FOR THAT, DESTROY ALL THE BRIDGES IN THE WORLD!"-- Uncle Grandpa
VR 16 Stamina Templar
VR 16 Magicka Templar
VR 16 Magicka NB
VR 16 Stamina DK
VR 16 Magicka DK
VR 16 Stamina Sorc
VR 16 Magicka Sorc1 -
Burning_Talons✭✭✭✭✭...Burning_Talons wrote: »Burning_Talons wrote: »Burning_Talons wrote: »
Again, want to post your spec's so people can offer you more advice?
IMP mag DK V12
5pc light julianos
2pc med magnus
Weapons S+B magnus
Resto staff magnus
Front bar
Shifting standard
Flame lash
Burning embers
Burning Talons
Stone giant
FLAPPY WINGS
back bar
Igneous sheild
Green dragon blood
Violtile armour
Deep breath
Eruption
Take flight
26k mag
23k health
10k stam
1.8k spell dmg
1.1k wep
265 cp
14k sprll resist
9k physical
Usually run crit potions
What are your regen's at?
What traits do you run on your armor?
What drink/food do you run?
Jewelry? Traits? Enchants?
1.4k mag
355 health
574 stam
5 Divines
2 impenetrable
Sharpened
No enchants as i have v16 gear waiting
2 cyrolight
1 random neckbrace
So you have some stuff working against you.
-You're not v16 (what level are you?), not a huge deal due to battle leveling but getting the v16 willpower 3 piece w/ enchants will definitely help.
-Your stats should be higher if you are running food or drink.
-2 piece med is fine, could also try 2 piece heavy or 1 of each if you're working on getting your undaunted passives.
-If you want to be more tanky you can run more/all impen, this will give you more resist to crits.
-You're half way to cp cap, not bad but you'll also often times will be fighting people with a lot more.
CP Focus:
Magician
Arcanist
Tumbling
Blessed
Elfborn (just 1)
Ele Exepert
Thaumaturge
Block Expert
Hardy
Ele Defender
Quick RecoveryTakes-No-Prisoner wrote: »
Little bit of advice above and some advice on how to handle NB below. Answers in bold in the quote for some adjustments I would make personally.Burning_Talons wrote: »
2pc med magnus <--- I would switch this out for Heavy, and add skill points to Heavy passives.
Weapons S+B <-- SB is actually pretty good for tanking WB*.
*While you can tank hits with S+B, the problem here is if you block for too long, especially against a NB, you're going to provoke him to Fear.
There is a trick to avoid this is to block smartly and pop down your AoEs. If hes a Stamblade, he rush you with Critical Rush/Stampede/Ambuish, Talons him, move a short distance away and Flame whip his booty. Put down Eruption at your feet if he keeps gap closing. If he gets dumb and starts WB while in your Talons/Eruption, block the WB swing, and reapply your DoTs/Deep Breath. Any Stam/MagBlade is not going to want to be in range for your DoTs/Talons/Eruption. Eruption has a nasty snare on it, if you can apply the snare he's booty won't be going anywhere soon because if your not already dead by the time you apply DoTs/Talons/Eruption then you already have the upper hand since he has no element of surprise, plus hes moving really slow.
Should also make some Detect potions too. Because if he decides he's going to disengage, pop your Shield/Flappy Wings and go back to whatever you were doing. If hes nearby and you know it pop the Detect potion and go to town with him again.
This comes from someone who barely plays his V2 DK. But has plenty of experience on their v16 MagNB/v16 MagTemplar. And who has fought MagDKs on their NB.
This is some solid advice on playstyle. Again, I'd go with immovable pots over detect ones unless you really want to track down a nb. Keep talons and cc's up and keep whippin make them roll and cc break, it's a balance game of applying pressure and maintaining resource.
Thanks have an awesome. Ill keep this in mind when i hit v16 again0 -
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✭✭✭✭I lost count of the amount of threads made by uninformed scrubs that take a few skills that supposedly need to be fixed instead of realizing that hard CC (breaking free from it) in this game is broken in general and has been for quite a while already.
But please keep buying costumes and pets. Support ZOS!0 -
Tankqull✭✭✭✭✭
✭Burning_Talons wrote: »C'mon OP, there are loads and loads of magic users out there that can counter these things with ease and still have the dmg output and/or sustain to kill or 1vx.
The only problem with fear is the bug where you fear or get feared through walls/environment.
The only problem with wb is the crazy range it can sometimes clip you at.
Both those problems are just frustrating but not game breaking as they don't happen often enough.
I don't through out the L2P card very often but if either of these things are the only reason you keep losing fights you are the one who needs to make adjustments.
So you are telling me I should change my whole build to counter a single broken mechanic? No thats not how it should work
well you know that nice little game, stone - paper - scissors? currently you are fighting a stone as a scissor... switch your stat buff food for reg drinks and everything is fine.spelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
Sallington wrote: »Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!"1
