There's no excuse for not playing on the non-CP campaign

Bofrari · March 2016

Yeah like I said no one wants too play in that crap server as you see the replys

Duiwel · March 2016

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

This game has pretty much 0 skill involved. Be at max cp and golden gear and you will be in the so called "top 1%"

& what about WoW where you just need high ilvl baby?

There is skill involved FENGRUSH, Sypher, Lefty Lucy ect...

Tell me they are not skilled

PriorityBalle · March 2016

No, but whats the point of making the CP system and say its here so people can advance their characters and then create NON-CP campaigns so all the people who have spent time grinding their CP too the cap are forced to change their respective home campaign cause they wanna be able to use every little inch of advantage they can get ?

Eshelmen · March 2016

If you're not going to like the server change fine, but at least try it out before making such judgement.

I_killed_Vivec · March 2016

PriorityBalle wrote: »

No, but whats the point of making the CP system and say its here so people can advance their characters and then create NON-CP campaigns so all the people who have spent time grinding their CP too the cap are forced to change their respective home campaign cause they wanna be able to use every little inch of advantage they can get ?

Because while some people like to progress and are prepared to put the time into doing so, there are others who will complain "They only beat me because they have more CP".

Nobody is being forced into playing in the non-CP campaigns but now those people who complain about losing because of CP imbalance no longer have any grounds for complaint

SemiD4rkness · March 2016

Duiwel wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

This game has pretty much 0 skill involved. Be at max cp and golden gear and you will be in the so called "top 1%"

& what about WoW where you just need high ilvl baby?

There is skill involved FENGRUSH, Sypher, Lefty Lucy ect...

Tell me they are not skilled

I dont give a thing about wow we are talking ESO here.
Yes they are good, as good as any other pvp dueler with max cp and best gear... not much skill involved.

Reb · March 2016

Huggalump wrote: »

Khenarthi wrote: »

No thanks. I hardly ever pvp bit when I do, I want to use the CP I have earned.

To be fair, I'm arguing about the competitiveness of pvp. And I imagine that people who hardly ever pvp probably don't care much about that.

So I'd never say they should remove all CP campaigns. I don't wanna hurt the way you play the game. But for people who do pvp competitively, clearly non-CP pvp is better.

what you seem to forget is that most people really dont care about ultra competative, balanced pvp.

There will be a huge decamp away from azuras

TequilaFire · March 2016

Well all good for new players, but I prefer to play against seasoned players that may even be stronger than my build.
So there goes that argument.

Mady · March 2016

I went to the CP campaign first. All I saw was magicka DKs, holding block while brainafk, doing no damage, getting rekt by the zerg after some time; sorcs nearly one hitting everything; NBs doing 11k+ surprise attack on magicka; Templars spamming breath of life, while running around with their "Detonation Group". So pretty much as always.

But on the No CP campaign it was quite different. I saw more people solo and nobody could permablock for longer than a few seconds. Damage was not too bad and I had to manage my resources different than on the CP campaign. I liked it.

TequilaFire · March 2016

Magicka DKs holding block with no stam regen?

Alcast · March 2016

I played on it yesterday, and apart from the FPS issues the fights were fine without CP.

Tho I still got hit by 10k Soulharvest wtf?

Huggalump · March 2016

PriorityBalle wrote: »

No, but whats the point of making the CP system and say its here so people can advance their characters and then create NON-CP campaigns so all the people who have spent time grinding their CP too the cap are forced to change their respective home campaign cause they wanna be able to use every little inch of advantage they can get ?

Well, that's a whole other topic... but imo, the champ point system should never have been implemented. It was hugely unpopular when they first announced it.

Reb wrote: »

Huggalump wrote: »

Khenarthi wrote: »

No thanks. I hardly ever pvp bit when I do, I want to use the CP I have earned.

To be fair, I'm arguing about the competitiveness of pvp. And I imagine that people who hardly ever pvp probably don't care much about that.

So I'd never say they should remove all CP campaigns. I don't wanna hurt the way you play the game. But for people who do pvp competitively, clearly non-CP pvp is better.

what you seem to forget is that most people really dont care about ultra competative, balanced pvp.

There will be a huge decamp away from azuras

Again, that's totally fair. That's a perspective I wasn't thinking about because it's outside of the world I play ESO for. If you don't care about balanced pvp, obviously play whatever campaign. It doesn't matter anyhow.

But for people who mainly play this as a pvp game, non-cp campaigns are good for the game.

Sharee · March 2016

Mady wrote: »

I went to the CP campaign first. All I saw was magicka DKs, holding block while brainafk, doing no damage, getting rekt by the zerg after some time; sorcs nearly one hitting everything; NBs doing 11k+ surprise attack on magicka; Templars spamming breath of life, while running around with their "Detonation Group". So pretty much as always.

But on the No CP campaign it was quite different. I saw more people solo and nobody could permablock for longer than a few seconds. Damage was not too bad and I had to manage my resources different than on the CP campaign. I liked it.

I started on the no-CP campaign, and quickly discovered that numbers win even more than on the CP campaign.
Because being out of resources in the first 5 seconds of combat means you are dead against anyone who isn't out of resources yet(e.g the second, 3rd and so on enemy). With CP, the fights take longer and you have more options.

Kas · March 2016

non-cp is really stupid. won't be long until a large-enough group will create specific builds (needs much more regen form my pts experience doing duels while campaign was no-cp) and farm their way to ar50 essentially dodging "real" fights.

everybody and his mum - especially everybody who played enough to call her/himself an experienced PvP'er is sitting at 501 for a looong time already. no-cp only levels the field for those who rarely play or started significantly later. that's not a bad thing - especially the non vet campaign should have always been like this, imho.

i guess it will all be fun until a guild decides to build specially for that campaign and ruins it. the less experienced players will be gone as well as soon as this happens. "farming" the no-cp campaign will be done by palyers who actually play a TON and can afford building specific equips that are in no way usable in PvE and neither in other campaigns.

FriedEggSandwich · March 2016

Sharee wrote: »

Mady wrote: »

I went to the CP campaign first. All I saw was magicka DKs, holding block while brainafk, doing no damage, getting rekt by the zerg after some time; sorcs nearly one hitting everything; NBs doing 11k+ surprise attack on magicka; Templars spamming breath of life, while running around with their "Detonation Group". So pretty much as always.

But on the No CP campaign it was quite different. I saw more people solo and nobody could permablock for longer than a few seconds. Damage was not too bad and I had to manage my resources different than on the CP campaign. I liked it.

I started on the no-CP campaign, and quickly discovered that numbers win even more than on the CP campaign.
Because being out of resources in the first 5 seconds of combat means you are dead against anyone who isn't out of resources yet(e.g the second, 3rd and so on enemy). With CP, the fights take longer and you have more options.

Yeah I've just been playing for a few hours and it was fun, but I spent most of the time completely out of magicka lol. Being in a group allows you to heavy resto it back but if you're outnumbered you're screwed, and I was drinking pots on cooldown. I didn't recognise half the players I was fighting which makes me think the campaign is full of noobs. It felt like easy pickings at times. Don't think I'll stay for good.

Sirvandal · March 2016

What I find most annoying is that Zeni kills the Azura population. I have manny game buddies in there and its now ripped apart due of the Non-CP. Why didn't Zeni use a low populated server...anyway its to late now. Tnx Zeni! Great Job. :'(

Ps. I like the concept of a non-cp campaign. Diversity in a game is good imo.

Jhunn · March 2016

Sirvandal wrote: »

What I find most annoying is that Zeni kills the Azura population. I have manny game buddies in there and its now ripped apart due of the Non-CP. Why didn't Zeni use a low populated server...anyway its to late now. Tnx Zeni! Great Job. :'(

Ps. I like the concept of a non-cp campaign. Diversity in a game is good imo.

Using the most populated server gave the non-CP campaign its best chance at having just a bit of longevity, so IMHO that's one of the few good decisions ZOS has made.

Rylana · March 2016

List of excuses (all valid) to not playing in non-CP

1. lack of consistent population
2. use what you have obtained (whats with this want for people to gimp their opponents?)
3. bare knuckle naked fighting is only to take place at sejanus outpost on wednesday nights, no exceptions
4. because, no.
5. this thread.

Tavore1138 · March 2016

He's right - there is no excuse, mainly because none is required.

I have reasons but no obligation to the OP to list them.

Time will show if no-CP is something people want or not - personally my concern about all the campaigns are the increasingly desperate measures being taken to stop us playing in groups/guilds in a game that was advertised a AvA & RvR, I wish they'd devote half as much time to fixing the engine as they do to trying to socially engineer the player base. I like a nice bit of solo play or a small group but I also like to have fun with friends and if a MMO is designing itself around stopping that then whether a campaign has CP or not is the least of their issues.

Lysette · March 2016

Huggalump wrote: »

Khenarthi wrote: »

No thanks. I hardly ever pvp bit when I do, I want to use the CP I have earned.

To be fair, I'm arguing about the competitiveness of pvp. And I imagine that people who hardly ever pvp probably don't care much about that.

So I'd never say they should remove all CP campaigns. I don't wanna hurt the way you play the game. But for people who do pvp competitively, clearly non-CP pvp is better.

While I see your point, the argument NativeJoe made, is a valid one. He has set up his gear in a way, which depends on the CP to patch the weaknesses of his gear. He has intentionally chosen that gear this way, knowing that he has these CP available to patch those weaknesses. It's clearly a valid point, that he does not want to invest into new gear just for non-CP campaigns.

These 2 kind of campaigning are there to have choice, not to convince someone that one or the other is better. Just take it as it is, choose what you like, but let others make their choices as well after what they like best.

Sirvandal · March 2016

Jhunn wrote: »

Sirvandal wrote: »

What I find most annoying is that Zeni kills the Azura population. I have manny game buddies in there and its now ripped apart due of the Non-CP. Why didn't Zeni use a low populated server...anyway its to late now. Tnx Zeni! Great Job. :'(

Ps. I like the concept of a non-cp campaign. Diversity in a game is good imo.

Using the most populated server gave the non-CP campaign its best chance at having just a bit of longevity, so IMHO that's one of the few good decisions ZOS has made.

Its not a good descisions to fek over your core player base.... Its bad for bizznizz. I have a sub from day 1 and I am serious considering to cancel it. And I bet manny will do aswell... Only reason Zeni did this cause they want a 2-3 week lag free campaign running till 1 server is again over crowded and we start all over again. Its total BS what they did. Its problem moving...not solving. And again I am not against a Non-CP campaign as long it doesn't fek over my game fun and it did...

yelloweyedemon · March 2016

I'm sorry, if you want to be at max level with near-zero effort, you'd be better off playing an FPS game or some pseudo MMO like guild-wars 2.

The whole game was reballanced around CPs. Why anyone would wanna play in a no-CP campain? Only if they are too lazy to actually work for something...

Give it a month, then come back here and tell us how many people play on Azura's.

Most_Awesome · March 2016

I love it, I jumped on yesterday with a few of my mates on my Hvy armour Templar healer and with my 10% crit chance and my 5k Bol my house got smashed to pieces

Reevster · March 2016

I did get all the QQing about no CP campaigns, if you don't like it don't play it , pretty simple, go to another campaign that uses CPs simple really, i guess all these "so called " ellite " players are worried they wont have easy "noobs" to kill in the regular campaigns anymore, kinda funny actually.

Tomato · March 2016

It's only a campaign for duels and will be a dead campaign

idk · March 2016

Grabs popcorn.

DaveMoeDee · March 2016

My PvP guild moved out of the no-CP campaign, which is a bummer for me and my measly 240 CP. But, whatever. I am a minor cog.

DaveMoeDee · March 2016

Duiwel wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

This game has pretty much 0 skill involved. Be at max cp and golden gear and you will be in the so called "top 1%"

& what about WoW where you just need high ilvl baby?

There is skill involved FENGRUSH, Sypher, Lefty Lucy ect...

Tell me they are not skilled

Don't feed the trolls. You can't discuss this with someone who talks in absolutes like that.

Cinbri · March 2016

I like it. No CP making it almost like old times. Almost.

KraziJoe · March 2016

I don't get it. New players don't PVP because they get slaughtered? That is the way it should be. New players should not expect to come into a game and rule right away. Is that what the OP is talking about or am I just way off?