There's no excuse for not playing on the non-CP campaign
Huggalump
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Did I fit enough negatives into the title?
Anyhow, non-CP pvp is VERY good for the game. Everyone should be playing in it to encourage ZOS to open more non-CP campaigns. Non-CP is how the pvp should be in ESO.
Of course, it levels the playing field so new players aren't instantly turned off by pvp.
But another reason non-CP pvp is good for the game is because as CP numbers rise, pvp becomes worse. There are no cooldowns in this game, so it risks being a spamfest where player skill is irrelevant and the only determining factors are gear and stats. The only thing that can keep pvp from becoming this spam fest is resource management. Champion points make resource management far too easy. PVP becomes stupid once everyone's pumped enough into resource regen and cost reduction.
There's no excuse for not playing in the non-CP campaign. You'd have to straight up admit you can't cut it unless carried by CP.
Do the healthy thing for the game. Play in the non-CP campaign.
Edited by Huggalump on March 8, 2016 6:43AM Anyhow, non-CP pvp is VERY good for the game. Everyone should be playing in it to encourage ZOS to open more non-CP campaigns. Non-CP is how the pvp should be in ESO.
Of course, it levels the playing field so new players aren't instantly turned off by pvp.
But another reason non-CP pvp is good for the game is because as CP numbers rise, pvp becomes worse. There are no cooldowns in this game, so it risks being a spamfest where player skill is irrelevant and the only determining factors are gear and stats. The only thing that can keep pvp from becoming this spam fest is resource management. Champion points make resource management far too easy. PVP becomes stupid once everyone's pumped enough into resource regen and cost reduction.
There's no excuse for not playing in the non-CP campaign. You'd have to straight up admit you can't cut it unless carried by CP.
Do the healthy thing for the game. Play in the non-CP campaign.
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FriedEggSandwich✭✭✭✭✭
✭Not tired it yet (I will), but I read someone else say that ttk was way down on the non-cp campaign. If this is true then it won't appeal to many people.PC | EU3 -
PhatGrimReaper✭✭✭✭✭LMAO.... you do realise the game was rebalanced to account for the introduction of the Champion System right?
There is ZERO incentive for me to play the non-CP campaign!!
It will be a great place for people to graduate to from BWB, nothing more.Fat Grim Reaper - (m)Dragon Knight AR28
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Bofrari✭✭✭Yeah well you enjoy yourself on that POS campaign you won't see 80% of the players there and do see well I can't say what I like it'll hurt many feelings.5 -
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✭✭✭✭I call bs. The no cp campaign is completely unbalanced with the current battle spirit. Therefore, there is a good excuse not to play it till they fix that.
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Huggalump✭✭✭✭PhatGrimReaper wrote: »LMAO.... you do realise the game was rebalanced to account for the introduction of the Champion System right?
How so? Everyone at CP cap will be doing roughly the same % less damage with the same % less mitigation and regen. I don't see how it matters which values were adjusted where, with full CP resource management is far too easy. Non-CP campaign probably won't fix that, but will help it.I call bs. The no cp campaign is completely unbalanced with the current battle spirit. Therefore, there is a good excuse not to play it till they fix that.
Unbalanced in what way? I haven't tried it yet because I'm at work now
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✭Ok...i call BS as well. My wife began playing the game two months ago, whereas I have played since beta. I have 430ish CPs, my wife has 320ish...i play twice as much as she does...100 CP difference IS TINY. She has no problems in cyrodil relating to her CPs. This server is a good thing...for those who think the game is balanced without them. Those people are tiny in number, most of us enjoy the progression of CPs, or at least accept that they are better than no CPs...so no more camps please4 -
PhatGrimReaper✭✭✭✭✭PhatGrimReaper wrote: »LMAO.... you do realise the game was rebalanced to account for the introduction of the Champion System right?
How so? Everyone at CP cap will be doing roughly the same % less damage with the same % less mitigation and regen. I don't see how it matters which values were adjusted where, with full CP resource management is far too easy. Non-CP campaign probably won't fix that, but will help it.
So, the incentive for me (CP capped) to play on the Non-CP is..... I get to craft and upgrade all new v16 legendary gear to compensate for the loss in sustain....... for four toons....... sounds fun!Fat Grim Reaper - (m)Dragon Knight AR28
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Huggalump✭✭✭✭Ok...i call BS as well. My wife began playing the game two months ago, whereas I have played since beta. I have 430ish CPs, my wife has 320ish...i play twice as much as she does...100 CP difference IS TINY. She has no problems in cyrodil relating to her CPs. This server is a good thing...for those who think the game is balanced without them. Those people are tiny in number, most of us enjoy the progression of CPs, or at least accept that they are better than no CPs...so no more camps please
this thread has an OP explaining my reasoning. it's entirely different from the point you're getting at.PhatGrimReaper wrote: »PhatGrimReaper wrote: »LMAO.... you do realise the game was rebalanced to account for the introduction of the Champion System right?
How so? Everyone at CP cap will be doing roughly the same % less damage with the same % less mitigation and regen. I don't see how it matters which values were adjusted where, with full CP resource management is far too easy. Non-CP campaign probably won't fix that, but will help it.
So, the incentive for me (CP capped) to play on the Non-CP is..... I get to craft and upgrade all new v16 legendary gear to compensate for the loss in sustain....... for four toons....... sounds fun!
Just change your jewelry enchants. Might not be perfect, but that's what I'll be doing if I find I want to sacrifice damage for sustain.
But regardless, better pvp is better for the game. I guess we have different priorities, but if I were in your shoes, it would be worth it to me.
Edited by Huggalump on March 8, 2016 7:17AM0 -
SemiD4rkness✭✭✭✭✭This game has pretty much 0 skill involved. Be at max cp and golden gear and you will be in the so called "top 1%"1
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Huggalump✭✭✭✭Someone explain to me how the pvp combat in this game is made better by everyone having jacked up resource generation. I'd love to hear it.
If you can't, that means the non-CP campaign is better. If there really is some problem with Battle Spirit balancing, that's a game system they can adjust. But other than that, non-CP is better for pvp.2 -
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✭✭✭✭New player will still be at a disadvantage.
While you have no CP, you're still rocking 9 traits armor, Molag kena and maelstrom weapons.
Quick question, did they reset everyone's campaign? Or did you have to pay to swap? Saw something about that on axe, but not azura's.0 -
FriedEggSandwich✭✭✭✭✭
✭New player will still be at a disadvantage.
While you have no CP, you're still rocking 9 traits armor, Molag kena and maelstrom weapons.
Quick question, did they reset everyone's campaign? Or did you have to pay to swap? Saw something about that on axe, but not azura's.
No campaign reset, I'm still homed on azura. Hardened ward went from 10.3k on old azura to 7.3k on new azura
Interestingly my recovery was 1600 before and is still 1600, but that might have something to do with campaign buffs cos it's mostly yellow right now. Seeing as I'm still homed there I'm gonna try it first. PC | EU0 -
Uviryth✭✭✭✭✭I would never play those "Vanilla"-campaigns. I hate the notion that everybody has to be equal, no matter how much efford they put in their characters. It`s the gaming-equivalent to the participation trophy in schools.
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✭✭✭✭FriedEggSandwich wrote: »New player will still be at a disadvantage.
While you have no CP, you're still rocking 9 traits armor, Molag kena and maelstrom weapons.
Quick question, did they reset everyone's campaign? Or did you have to pay to swap? Saw something about that on axe, but not azura's.
No campaign reset, I'm still homed on azura. Hardened ward went from 10.3k on old azura to 7.3k on new azura Interestingly my recovery was 1600 before and is still 1600, but that might have something to do with campaign buffs cos it's mostly yellow right now. Seeing as I'm still homed there I'm gonna try it first.
No campaign reset?
I have 5 toons I pvp with, all on azura's as on xbox it's the only actual pvp server.
So 750k ap for me to relocate all those.
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Huggalump✭✭✭✭FriedEggSandwich wrote: »New player will still be at a disadvantage.
While you have no CP, you're still rocking 9 traits armor, Molag kena and maelstrom weapons.
Quick question, did they reset everyone's campaign? Or did you have to pay to swap? Saw something about that on axe, but not azura's.
No campaign reset, I'm still homed on azura. Hardened ward went from 10.3k on old azura to 7.3k on new azura Interestingly my recovery was 1600 before and is still 1600, but that might have something to do with campaign buffs cos it's mostly yellow right now. Seeing as I'm still homed there I'm gonna try it first.
is azura the no-cp one?I would never play those "Vanilla"-campaigns. I hate the notion that everybody has to be equal, no matter how much efford they put in their characters. It`s the gaming-equivalent to the participation trophy in schools.
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As always with this discussion, we're running into two different camps. The RPG leaning camp, which your argument comes from. And the competitive gaming camp, which my argument comes from.
So just to explain things from my perspective, the competitiveness of a game is damaged when players aren't on an even standing.Edited by Huggalump on March 8, 2016 8:04AM0 -
NativeJoe✭✭✭✭✭Not going to play. spent a year on azura so I wish they would have chosen a new server or better yet made another. But whatever. I'm not going to play on it.
Here is why: 1 I earned every cp I got. I enchanted my gear, and made cuts in my gear knowing that I have CP to counter the weaknesses I've created by selecting my gear set. Without that CP, I have to get an entirly new set, get new enchants, and change skills I regularly use because they'd be far to expensive to cast otherwise. Your asking me to spend 750k on the low ball end to switch over to a No CP campaign and go back to hitting like a limp noodle.
No thanks.650cp+ Sorcerer 100+ days /played
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✭No thanks. I hardly ever pvp bit when I do, I want to use the CP I have earned.PC-EU0 -
Huggalump✭✭✭✭No thanks. I hardly ever pvp bit when I do, I want to use the CP I have earned.
To be fair, I'm arguing about the competitiveness of pvp. And I imagine that people who hardly ever pvp probably don't care much about that.
So I'd never say they should remove all CP campaigns. I don't wanna hurt the way you play the game. But for people who do pvp competitively, clearly non-CP pvp is better.1 -
Eshelmen✭✭✭✭✭Oh no! The horrors of not having my CP to PVP with! 0_o
Who cares? I'm not the highest on CP and definitely not the lowest, I'm around 350. But if the servers got a fight, then I'm interested in it, regardless of rules or the regulations.
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FriedEggSandwich✭✭✭✭✭
✭FriedEggSandwich wrote: »New player will still be at a disadvantage.
While you have no CP, you're still rocking 9 traits armor, Molag kena and maelstrom weapons.
Quick question, did they reset everyone's campaign? Or did you have to pay to swap? Saw something about that on axe, but not azura's.
No campaign reset, I'm still homed on azura. Hardened ward went from 10.3k on old azura to 7.3k on new azura Interestingly my recovery was 1600 before and is still 1600, but that might have something to do with campaign buffs cos it's mostly yellow right now. Seeing as I'm still homed there I'm gonna try it first.
No campaign reset?
I have 5 toons I pvp with, all on azura's as on xbox it's the only actual pvp server.
So 750k ap for me to relocate all those.
Cheers zos.
Well I logged out on azura yesterday and just logged straight back in to azura this morning. I know this cos the first thing I went to do was move cp around and it wouldn't let me. Can't actually confirm if it's still my home but I'm guessing it is.
@Huggalump yeah azura is the no cp campaign, so I was a bit surprised to see my recovery hadn't really changed, cos my ward had. I lost about 5k magicka and my ward went from 10.3k to 7.3k. Spell damage was unchanged though obviously cos no cp affect that. So ttk could well be down as a result of no cp, bit early to tell yet though.PC | EU0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Guys, everyone has a free campaign reallocation this patch.
You are still homed on azura after patch, but you can simply choose another campaign and it will let you switch without charging you anything.10 -
Erondil✭✭✭✭✭
✭OP you didnt try it you don't know what you're talking about, the PvP needs CP nowadays with battlespirit and other changes post 1.6. Heck I'm emperor on Azura EU PC and I have the same tooltip as non-emp on another campaign. Thats how impactful CP are in PvP nowadays.
There is soo many reasons to not play on this campaign, to begin with because PvP is balanced around CP since 1.6 and without CP PvP combat is simply boring, no damage, no regen, you spend your day spamming uninterruptible heavy attacks and its super zerggy because you cant burst people (=big groups stronger). It also requires a whole new gear setup etc. If I wasnt emp I would never play on this campaign~retired~
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Paulhewhewria✭✭✭I myself personally follow the guild and population because thats where the ap flows.So, trueflame was where I went as I imagine others have done as well.1
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✭Actually I have lost recovery, must have been a visual bug before. Went from about 1650 before to 1350 now. Also lost about 1.5k stam from 13.5k to 12k. Magicka went from about 35k down to 30.8k (ouch). Hard to know how much health lost because azura eu has a yellow emp so my hp is inflated, I have 21k with emp bonus though.PC | EU0 -
Sirvandal✭✭✭For me non-cp is a no go. It means I need to revamp my toon. I spend to much time in balancing etc. So lets go True Flame! Bye Azura! Have fun with the pve club!
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