Will this game make it past the dark brother hood in its current state?

Sausage · March 2016

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

The real question is if this survives Conan Exiles, survival MP games are extremely popular atm.

They are very quiet on their home page about a game that's due out in 3 months. It'll be interesting to see how it goes, but TES crowd is strong here.

Early Access start in 3 month, its not real launch, H1Z1 Early Access has lasted over year now. I personally think Funcom has a chance to hit a jackpot, they are experienced game developers, they might gather all players from the rest of MP-survival games and bring them together.

Lysette · March 2016

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Hasn't the OP heard? This game was killed off almost two years ago by Wildstar and ArcheAge.

Oh wait, no it wasn't. How are those ESO-busting games doing, by the way?

The biggest worry could have been Pathfinder, the table top version really hurt D&D, but due to the obvious money grabbing in the form of "We're in beta and need more money to complete" even though they well surpassed their kick starter target, Goblin Works has screwed that game over.

This game is going to be around for a long time although I think it may pull a guild wars on us and we get a ESO 2 ending the 3 banner war and coming up with a different concept for PvP. I just hope that they fill Tamriel zones first as there is still a lot of potential here.

I think that there is enough content to be added for at least 3 years to come in order to fill the still empty space in Tamriel, if they continue to do DLCs every 3 months. My guess is as well, that more and more people will subscribe and in the end it will be a voluntary subscription game and ZOS got what they wanted. To me the game is foremost about Tamriel,it's provinces and cultures, I am curious to see the territories, which I could just imagine in the past, but was never able to actually see. This is kind of a dream fulfilled, when I will be able to do that and compare them to what I imagined.

It's possible they have enough content for releases over the next 3 years. However, rumours started circulating that a 64 bit client was in development, on come Monday it'll be going live. Guild Wars had loads of room to be expanded, but they went for Guild Wars 2.0 instead. IC was slated for initial release, got that a lot later and at a price. So anything and everything could happen over any period of time. For all we know another game could be started for development after DB.

They do not just let Elder Scrolls go down the drain, it is too much of a selling point to do that. What could another game do better with the same team?- Pretty much nothing, the art team will still be great, the combat lead will still be - well I cannot even say what has to be said, because it is against the code of conduct - but there is the problem and as long this is not taken care of, nothing will change to the better. Another game with the same team will not do any better, but rather worse without the Elder Scrolls label.

Everything changes over time. Next week Big Boss Zennimax pulls the coup of the century and announce that they have resolved the issue of Fallout MMO licensing problems and production will go ahead with their now experienced Zennimax Online Studios forcing a restructure of staff. Warner Brothers decide that they've had enough of online gaming and sell Turbine, Big Boss Zennimax snap it up as Turbine have the license D&D and LotR and amalgamate Turbine with ZOS. @Worbel could go into nervous breakdown after discovering Crystal Frag doesn't stop a 24 man zerg from charging at you and heads of into the server room with a sledge hammer and smashes the place up causing untold amount of damage and the Big Boss decides that there is too much stress in game making and decide to change into manufacturing knitting needles instead.

City of Heroes was a huge game, and always had a healthy following, but the plug got pulled on that. I don't take anything for granted.

When I look up at how Zenimax is funded, I can see that this is not going to happen - the investors would just not be pleased with that and rather fire the CEO than to let one of their strongest acquired labels go down the drain. On top ot if, Zenimax evolved out of Bethesda, as a top-level organisation, acquired Bethesda in the process and is acquiring more and more franchises, backed by investors, who have a strong interest in making the most out of their investments. Elder Scrolls is a strong label with a large amount of fans - so is fallout of course as well - and when it comes to having to do a fallout MMO, I think they would rather expand ZOS and do both, than to let go on that one what currently brings in the money just to set on something what might bring in the money in future. There is no need to do just one or the other - they can do both. Zenimax is a 10-digit enterprise, they have the money to do it.

Edit: what is currently happening is the transition of the early adopter phase into the milk cow phase. Early adopters will leave, the game will stabilize with their fan base, which will bring in the major part of the money in it's product life cycle. This can go on for years to come - the best phase of this game is still ahead.

Mojmir · March 2016

in its current state no, it will have to improve like anything. as long that crown store is first priority and the fanbois remain delusional, the better question is will we have the same bugs in DB that we have now?

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO · March 2016

@Lysette

Next week Big Boss Zennimax pulls the coup of the century and announce that they have resolved the issue of Fallout MMO licensing problems and production will go ahead with their now experienced Zennimax Online Studios forcing a restructure of staff.

That is one of the points I made, yes they can do both, but it involves a restructure of staff, not only hiring more but moving people to where they will be required and in some cases people working on both projects. And as Fallout is just as big and generated as much excitement that a MMO was coming (but got scrapped), and with the praise Fallout 4 got then Zennimax would be stupid not to go full steam a head if they resolved the licencing issue forcing ZOS to slow things down a little with ESO till things are more stable.

Guild Wars servers are still going, but the game hasn't been expanded on and Guild Wars 2 came from no where as no one was expecting it till it was announced. So we can speculate all we like, but unless you have direct access to ZOS offices and Zennimax board room, then we really can only speculate as to whether or not Tamriel will be fully fleshed out in 3 years time.

ESO took a long time in development, but they did a lot of work in that time and they wanted certain people involved in that development so that made it longer so schedules matched. Now ZOS have the tools and probably the will to start another project. What effect that has on ESO, no body knows, but nothing is safe in this environment. Just look at World of Darkness, initially slated to have every single game created by White Wolf in one single MMO, to evolve into only being Vampire the Masquarade (following version 4 rules), to being scrapped after the city has been built. And this was a game being developed by CCP Games and looking at that company you'd expect they'd finish it until their circumstances changed in a very short period of time.

dday3six · March 2016

Lysette wrote: »

...what is currently happening is the transition of the early adopter phase into the milk cow phase. Early adopters will leave, the game will stabilize with their fan base, which will bring in the major part of the money in it's product life cycle. This can go on for years to come - the best phase of this game is still ahead.

The trouble IMO is that ESO is trying to be a singleplayer game and an MMO all while trying to cram PVP into both. That leads to a fanbase with drastically differing desires. That's rather troublesome to stablize when the demographic is all over the place and pleasing one part of the specturm pisses another off.

Lysette · March 2016

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

@Lysette

Next week Big Boss Zennimax pulls the coup of the century and announce that they have resolved the issue of Fallout MMO licensing problems and production will go ahead with their now experienced Zennimax Online Studios forcing a restructure of staff.

That is one of the points I made, yes they can do both, but it involves a restructure of staff, not only hiring more but moving people to where they will be required and in some cases people working on both projects. And as Fallout is just as big and generated as much excitement that a MMO was coming (but got scrapped), and with the praise Fallout 4 got then Zennimax would be stupid not to go full steam a head if they resolved the licencing issue forcing ZOS to slow things down a little with ESO till things are more stable.

Guild Wars servers are still going, but the game hasn't been expanded on and Guild Wars 2 came from no where as no one was expecting it till it was announced. So we can speculate all we like, but unless you have direct access to ZOS offices and Zennimax board room, then we really can only speculate as to whether or not Tamriel will be fully fleshed out in 3 years time.

ESO took a long time in development, but they did a lot of work in that time and they wanted certain people involved in that development so that made it longer so schedules matched. Now ZOS have the tools and probably the will to start another project. What effect that has on ESO, no body knows, but nothing is safe in this environment. Just look at World of Darkness, initially slated to have every single game created by White Wolf in one single MMO, to evolve into only being Vampire the Masquarade (following version 4 rules), to being scrapped after the city has been built. And this was a game being developed by CCP Games and looking at that company you'd expect they'd finish it until their circumstances changed in a very short period of time.

Well the background with CCP was, that they had to pay back a large credit in 2016 - they knew, that they could not get money out of WoD within the given time and that it would cost them a lot of money and they would take a big risk to not be able to pay back the credit, so they stopped the development and balanced the loss in 2015. This step obviously allowed them to get some new money - I have no clue from which side though - and pay back the credit early on so that they had no longer to publish their financial situation. I think they are still struggling, but with a bit more time to come to terms and they are on a good way to balance that out - still, there are problems with Oculus Rift - which is partly as well the fault of Zenimax, because they claim they would have provided major research in it - so this is pending and so CCP cannot really come out with EVE Valkyrie like they wanted orginally. - So far to the background story of CCP.

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO · March 2016

Lysette wrote: »

Well the background with CCP was, that they had to pay back a large credit in 2016 - they knew, that they could not get money out of WoD within the given time and that it would cost them a lot of money and they would take a big risk to not be able to pay back the credit, so they stopped the development and balanced the loss in 2015. This step obviously allowed them to get some new money - I have no clue from which side though - and pay back the credit early on so that they had no longer to publish their financial situation. I think they are still struggling, but with a bit more time to come to terms and they are on a good way to balance that out - still, there are problems with Oculus Rift - which is partly as well the fault of Zenimax, because they claim they would have provided major research in it - so this is pending and so CCP cannot really come out with EVE Valkyrie like they wanted orginally. - So far to the background story of CCP.

On 11 November 2006, CCP and White Wolf Publishing jointly announced a merger between the two companies during the keynote address at the Eve Online Fanfest 2006. White Wolf Publishing became a wholly owned independent subsidiary of CCP with Mike Tinney remaining as the president of CCP North America. [CCP games wiki entry]

At that time White Wolf ended the current world with the events of Gehenna to bring about a new system of the games, where vampires will go into torpor no matter what you do and werewolves spend all their days sitting around a cairn in the middle of nowhere crying about how they used to be vampires around to rip apart. This proved highly unpopular with it's player base with players sticking to version 3 and turning their backs on version 4. White Wolf is now owned by Wizards of the West Coast who released a 20th anniversary edition which brought back 3rd edition with some minor tweaks. Not sure if they followed up after that as I've not table topped that game in years. One event causing a massive loss of income effecting a company in a big way.

The next update after DB could see Queen Ayrenn fully embracing her adolescent elf years and chase after the older man in the form of King Emeric now that he is widowed creating a sudden influx of members in the Ebonheart Pact or players just gone (@Anyone at ZOS, please confirm this isn't going to happen before it starts as a rumour!).

I am not discrediting anything you say apart from that it will happen because things are going to change between now and then.

The_Tip · March 2016

I believe The Division will take over as The Game for awhile, definitely hurting the population of ESO, but I don't think it'll do any permanent damage with the TG right around the corner.
I just hope the NEXT planned DLC has alot of what the die hard community is asking for, the stamina issues, the templar balance, the pvp lag, the animation canceling, things I see constantly popping up all over the forums. Then of course stuff like player housing, Console Mods, better Node Drops in Wrothgar just to make us all shut up

Lysette · March 2016

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Well the background with CCP was, that they had to pay back a large credit in 2016 - they knew, that they could not get money out of WoD within the given time and that it would cost them a lot of money and they would take a big risk to not be able to pay back the credit, so they stopped the development and balanced the loss in 2015. This step obviously allowed them to get some new money - I have no clue from which side though - and pay back the credit early on so that they had no longer to publish their financial situation. I think they are still struggling, but with a bit more time to come to terms and they are on a good way to balance that out - still, there are problems with Oculus Rift - which is partly as well the fault of Zenimax, because they claim they would have provided major research in it - so this is pending and so CCP cannot really come out with EVE Valkyrie like they wanted orginally. - So far to the background story of CCP.

On 11 November 2006, CCP and White Wolf Publishing jointly announced a merger between the two companies during the keynote address at the Eve Online Fanfest 2006. White Wolf Publishing became a wholly owned independent subsidiary of CCP with Mike Tinney remaining as the president of CCP North America. [CCP games wiki entry]

At that time White Wolf ended the current world with the events of Gehenna to bring about a new system of the games, where vampires will go into torpor no matter what you do and werewolves spend all their days sitting around a cairn in the middle of nowhere crying about how they used to be vampires around to rip apart. This proved highly unpopular with it's player base with players sticking to version 3 and turning their backs on version 4. White Wolf is now owned by Wizards of the West Coast who released a 20th anniversary edition which brought back 3rd edition with some minor tweaks. Not sure if they followed up after that as I've not table topped that game in years. One event causing a massive loss of income effecting a company in a big way.

The next update after DB could see Queen Ayrenn fully embracing her adolescent elf years and chase after the older man in the form of King Emeric now that he is widowed creating a sudden influx of members in the Ebonheart Pact or players just gone (@Anyone at ZOS, please confirm this isn't going to happen before it starts as a rumour!).

I am not discrediting anything you say apart from that it will happen because things are going to change between now and then.

I did not know about this part of the CCP - White Wolf relationship, so thank you, it gave some inside.

Lysette · March 2016

The_Tip wrote: »

I believe The Division will take over as The Game for awhile, definitely hurting the population of ESO, but I don't think it'll do any permanent damage with the TG right around the corner.
I just hope the NEXT planned DLC has alot of what the die hard community is asking for, the stamina issues, the templar balance, the pvp lag, the animation canceling, things I see constantly popping up all over the forums. Then of course stuff like player housing, Console Mods, better Node Drops in Wrothgar just to make us all shut up

It really depends what you play in ESO - Cyrrodil could be empty from one day to the other and I would not even recognize it at all, it would not make a difference for those who are not into PvP. ESO would just continue like before, maybe with a lot less complaining, but otherwise not much of a difference to me.

SemiD4rkness · March 2016

Lysette wrote: »

The_Tip wrote: »

I believe The Division will take over as The Game for awhile, definitely hurting the population of ESO, but I don't think it'll do any permanent damage with the TG right around the corner.
I just hope the NEXT planned DLC has alot of what the die hard community is asking for, the stamina issues, the templar balance, the pvp lag, the animation canceling, things I see constantly popping up all over the forums. Then of course stuff like player housing, Console Mods, better Node Drops in Wrothgar just to make us all shut up

It really depends what you play in ESO - Cyrrodil could be empty from one day to the other and I would not even recognize it at all, it would not make a difference for those who are not into PvP. ESO would just continue like before, maybe with a lot less complaining, but otherwise not much of a difference to me.

Pvp is the only reason thia game is still alive. Empty Cyrodiil means the end of ESO. Especially the day TES 6 arrives since all pve lovers will move on.

Buffler · March 2016

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Did you know that even warframe (don't even know the game) has more views in average than ESO on twitch? This game is pretty dead and as soon as TES 6 releases this game will be empty.

Thats right, as twitch is the way to see if a game is dead lol

Just see the pvp campaigns are full every single day and the amount of people milling around. The game is far far from dead. If it wasnt making money, it wouldnt be here.

NoMoreChillies · March 2016

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Pvp is the only reason thia game is still alive. Empty Cyrodiil means the end of ESO. Especially the day TES 6 arrives since all pve lovers will move on.

this is incorrect.
PVP is a vocal minority of this playerbase. The Majority is happily playing the game.

RedTalon · March 2016

Everyone get together and become a doomsayer right now, its that time to be one of those cool people again

Solid_Metal · March 2016

BDO is released yet this game population still great...
so yeah...

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO · March 2016

Solid_Metal wrote: »

BDO is released yet this game population still great...
so yeah...

That's so going f2p next week

Just checked out the website and it's already selling game currency.

Xendyn · March 2016

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Pvp is the only reason thia game is still alive. Empty Cyrodiil means the end of ESO. Especially the day TES 6 arrives since all pve lovers will move on.

You keep going on about TES 6 but as far as I know it's not even a gleam in Bethesda's eye. We have years before that shows up, if ever.

Nothing coming out I'm interested in, in the least.

Division -- nope not into shoot em ups
BDO - No thanks to the Korean P2W
CU - one character or pre-pay for more? Nope

Malmai · March 2016

Rjizzle09 wrote: »

I just wanna know you guys opinion about this. If yes give explanation and if no also give explanation. With dark souls 3 coming out and lichdom and division ESO has some very tough competition

If LAG will not be fixed, ESO will be doomed and will go F2P for sure...

JD2013 · March 2016

xellink wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Oh look. Another "Eso is going to shut down, the sky is falling" thread.

How quaint.

It seems like Abnur Tharn's attitude has rubbed off on you.

Or maybe my attitude rubbed off on Abnur Tharn??

Tandor · March 2016

Malmai wrote: »

Rjizzle09 wrote: »

I just wanna know you guys opinion about this. If yes give explanation and if no also give explanation. With dark souls 3 coming out and lichdom and division ESO has some very tough competition

If LAG will not be fixed, ESO will be doomed and will go F2P for sure...

Although lag issues undoubtedly exist, most people are not affected by them, and certainly not critically.

Lysette · March 2016

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

The_Tip wrote: »

I believe The Division will take over as The Game for awhile, definitely hurting the population of ESO, but I don't think it'll do any permanent damage with the TG right around the corner.
I just hope the NEXT planned DLC has alot of what the die hard community is asking for, the stamina issues, the templar balance, the pvp lag, the animation canceling, things I see constantly popping up all over the forums. Then of course stuff like player housing, Console Mods, better Node Drops in Wrothgar just to make us all shut up

It really depends what you play in ESO - Cyrrodil could be empty from one day to the other and I would not even recognize it at all, it would not make a difference for those who are not into PvP. ESO would just continue like before, maybe with a lot less complaining, but otherwise not much of a difference to me.

Pvp is the only reason thia game is still alive. Empty Cyrodiil means the end of ESO. Especially the day TES 6 arrives since all pve lovers will move on.

I don't think so, the pvp crowd is not the majority nor should it be - my opinion.

SemiD4rkness · March 2016

Tandor wrote: »

Malmai wrote: »

Rjizzle09 wrote: »

I just wanna know you guys opinion about this. If yes give explanation and if no also give explanation. With dark souls 3 coming out and lichdom and division ESO has some very tough competition

If LAG will not be fixed, ESO will be doomed and will go F2P for sure...

Although lag issues undoubtedly exist, most people are not affected by them, and certainly not critically.

Are you even serious?! This game has the most ridiculous lagg I've ever seen in any game

@NoMoreChillies TES 6 will eventually happen, and casuals (pvers) from this game will leave this game. Pvp is this game's only hope because it's the only unique and great thing about this game sadly eclipsed by lagg and lack of balance.

Lysette · March 2016

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Malmai wrote: »

Rjizzle09 wrote: »

I just wanna know you guys opinion about this. If yes give explanation and if no also give explanation. With dark souls 3 coming out and lichdom and division ESO has some very tough competition

If LAG will not be fixed, ESO will be doomed and will go F2P for sure...

Although lag issues undoubtedly exist, most people are not affected by them, and certainly not critically.

Are you even serious?! This game has the most ridiculous lagg I've ever seen in any game

@NoMoreChillies TES 6 will eventually happen, and casuals (pvers) from this game will leave this game. Pvp is this game's only hope because it's the only unique and great thing about this game sadly eclipsed by lagg and lack of balance.

You forget about that we - the pve and TES fan crowd - do not have any lag at all. That is purely a pvp problem and due to you guys creating zergs. Without you there is no lag problem at all, all running nicely.

Edit: and as far as TES 6 goes, nothing like this at the horizon, TES 6 will not give us all of Tamriel, ESO eventually will. So there are a lot of reasons to stay with ESO.

SemiD4rkness · March 2016

Lysette wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Malmai wrote: »

Rjizzle09 wrote: »

I just wanna know you guys opinion about this. If yes give explanation and if no also give explanation. With dark souls 3 coming out and lichdom and division ESO has some very tough competition

If LAG will not be fixed, ESO will be doomed and will go F2P for sure...

Although lag issues undoubtedly exist, most people are not affected by them, and certainly not critically.

Are you even serious?! This game has the most ridiculous lagg I've ever seen in any game

@NoMoreChillies TES 6 will eventually happen, and casuals (pvers) from this game will leave this game. Pvp is this game's only hope because it's the only unique and great thing about this game sadly eclipsed by lagg and lack of balance.

You forget about that we - the pve and TES fan crowd - do not have any lag at all. That is purely a pvp problem and due to you guys creating zergs. Without you there is no lag problem at all, all running nicely.

Edit: and as far as TES 6 goes, nothing like this at the horizon, TES 6 will not give us all of Tamriel, ESO eventually will. So there are a lot of reasons to stay with ESO.

I was talking about pvp purely, pve is not even worth mentioning (for me) Also I do not ''create'' zergs, and last you can't blame us for the lagg, it's all on Zos they're supossed to deliver a smooth massive scale pvp experience. Are you really saying that pvp players are to blame for the lagg in Cyrodiil?
Also, I don't get how people can feel like all of Tamriel is available to you when there's no open world, just a bunch of maps.
I repeat if pvp issues aren't fixed TES 6 will be the doom of ESO.

ADarklore · March 2016

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Pvp is the only reason thia game is still alive. Empty Cyrodiil means the end of ESO. Especially the day TES 6 arrives since all pve lovers will move on.

Your posts always give me a chuckle because you seem to live in this fantasy world where the majority of players are PvP players... so I'm thinking that all you're trying to do is convince others that what you're saying is correct... in which case I'll remind you, the MAJORITY of ESO players are PvE players; without PvE content and PvE players, ESO would die much faster than if PvP players left. Also, this game is still THRIVING quite nicely, I see new players coming in all the time. It's amazing though, how players are only allowed to be members of FIVE guilds, yet if those guilds experience a loss of players, then it clearly must mean EVERY ONE of the upteenth number of guilds must also have the same problem, right? That's the problem with short-sighted logic, it always involves egotistical assumptions.

However, you did have a good point in saying that... IF Elder Scrolls 6 should release, ESO would lose a lot of the PvE-centric players, particularly the solo players who heavily populate ESO. The problem with this thought is that it is also short-sighted. Sure ESO would lose players for a few weeks or possibly months, but eventually even ES6 would run out of content including DLCs, and those original ESO players would return to play the content that had been released since ES6 debuted. Sure people played Skyrim for years, but that was until ESO released. Unless ES6 has a multiplayer aspect, which I doubt because it would shoot ESO in the foot, then those players who, like me, enjoy playing an MMO solo because of the unpredictability that comes with experiencing the game with other players around, will always return to ESO once the polish wears off of ES6.

NinjaApacHe · March 2016

Why do I always think that these kind of threads are pure bs?

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO · March 2016

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

@NoMoreChillies TES 6 will eventually happen, and casuals (pvers) from this game will leave this game. Pvp is this game's only hope because it's the only unique and great thing about this game sadly eclipsed by lagg and lack of balance.

I laughed at this one. So if you prefer PvE over PvP you're a casual? And if you are a casual then you are leaving for TES VI as it has been foretold by the Elite PvP players? And it's PvP that's going to save the day?

PvP is very limited in this game. Everyone is basically the same with the same 3 letters always being rammed down throats. Your DPS is low, we haven't got enough DPS, I'm standing here staring at this guard and nothing is happening, this George Clooney character I rolled DPS sucks. I know animation cancelling wasn't intended but ZOS can't be bothered to fix it because it would effect my DPS. I know that PvP is intended to be a group thing, but I can take a keep by myself as my DPS rocks. Ok guys we need to solve this puzzle to open the door, is everyone's DPS at 36K? Ok start bashing your heads against the door it's bound to open eventually.

What is going to hurt this game is mind numbingly boring fights that is only resolved with DPS because then it would be no different to every other game. TES give numerous ways to solve a problem. You didn't have to kill everything in sight. Playing the Thieves Guild lines were challenging as you weren't allowed to kill. Here, everything must die. I surprised they haven't modelled every NPC in this game on Sean Bean.

PvP players play in one area and I admit, it is the center of Tamriel so you would be forgiven to think the game revolves around PvP. But there is no story in PvP and that is what sells Elder Scrolls. If every DLC is basically new ways to commit genocide with the same build because all classes have been nerfed in such a way that it doesn't matter what class you roll as you're all going to be doing exactly the same as the next person (thanks to PvP players) then PvP is going to turn into "When was the last time you seen anyone in the sewers?" as all the "casuals" have moved on to something that is more entertaining.

DRXHarbinger · March 2016

The next big game made me so angry. I waited say like 8 years I kid you not for EA to make battlefront and it was the biggest dissapointment in gaming history imo. At least we know what to expect with es games. Bugs but at least longevity. I really hope the 5 year plan worms out and people just shut up crying and slating the devs. You cannot make better yourselves.

Lysette · March 2016

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Malmai wrote: »

Rjizzle09 wrote: »

I just wanna know you guys opinion about this. If yes give explanation and if no also give explanation. With dark souls 3 coming out and lichdom and division ESO has some very tough competition

If LAG will not be fixed, ESO will be doomed and will go F2P for sure...

Although lag issues undoubtedly exist, most people are not affected by them, and certainly not critically.

Are you even serious?! This game has the most ridiculous lagg I've ever seen in any game

@NoMoreChillies TES 6 will eventually happen, and casuals (pvers) from this game will leave this game. Pvp is this game's only hope because it's the only unique and great thing about this game sadly eclipsed by lagg and lack of balance.

You forget about that we - the pve and TES fan crowd - do not have any lag at all. That is purely a pvp problem and due to you guys creating zergs. Without you there is no lag problem at all, all running nicely.

Edit: and as far as TES 6 goes, nothing like this at the horizon, TES 6 will not give us all of Tamriel, ESO eventually will. So there are a lot of reasons to stay with ESO.

I was talking about pvp purely, pve is not even worth mentioning (for me) Also I do not ''create'' zergs, and last you can't blame us for the lagg, it's all on Zos they're supossed to deliver a smooth massive scale pvp experience. Are you really saying that pvp players are to blame for the lagg in Cyrodiil?
Also, I don't get how people can feel like all of Tamriel is available to you when there's no open world, just a bunch of maps.
I repeat if pvp issues aren't fixed TES 6 will be the doom of ESO.

Well you can turn it as often as you want, the math is telling me that zergs are the reason for the lag. You are continuing to form them, so it is your fault. ZOS cannot do anything technically, they would have to make zergs highly undesirable, but that is up to Mr. Wrobel, who does not think yet, that it is a bad idea to enforce zergs. So not much will change.

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO · March 2016

Lysette wrote: »

Well you can turn it as often as you want, the math is telling me that zergs are the reason for the lag. You are continuing to form them, so it is your fault. ZOS cannot do anything technically, they would have to make zergs highly undesirable, but that is up to Mr. Wrobel, who does not think yet, that it is a bad idea to enforce zergs. So not much will change.

But this was a selling point of the game as well, massive open field warfare. All those that were lucky enough to get into PvP during Beta went back to the usual games they played and said the same thing. PvP was amazing. I was running a raid in DDO, and was asked "where was I over the weekend?" I said I was here and another voice pops up saying they was here also and we proceeded talking about what we got up to. Turns out we were both in the same epic battle for a keep only he was on defence and I was on offence and that generated interest from others listening to us. Those days are long gone and it's heartbreaking.