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NERF PHYSICAL-DAMAGE-BUILDS (PvP) - SOON

Detector
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In next DLC will be new parameter in Champion System:

- Hardy: This ability now reduces Poison, Disease, and PHYSICAL DAMAGE dealt to you, instead of Poison, Disease, and Magical Damage.

So...

Stamina-build vs Stamina-build = all unchanged
Stamina-build vs Magicka-build = nerf damage for Stamina-build (who use Physical Damage)

What news for stamina-builds?

Мay be new trayt for physical damage (analogue of Nirn-trayt)? NO.
Мay be ultimates with physical damage (only DK have this now)? NO.
May be is critical damage not useless vs Absorb Shields (stamina-build have more critical chance)? NO.
May be stamina-ability (Power Extraction, Killers Blade, Silver Bolts and others) will be with physical damage (magic damage now)? NO.

Please add Change Race...
I want change my stamina-imperial-NB for magicka-altmer-NB.
Stamina-builds dying...

@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_RichLambert
Edited by Detector on March 6, 2016 2:10PM
  • LadyNalcarya
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    Detector wrote: »
    my stamina-imperial-NB

    Well, this explains... A lot.
    Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason

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  • SemiD4rkness
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    They said they will balance it out......... when next DLC arrives :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
  • Bfish22090
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    Glad I have all classes at v16
  • Thevampirenight
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    I do think they need to balance out each of the races. Each race should have equal in stamina magicka and health recovery.
    Orc/ health recovery breton/magicka recovery redguard/ stamina recovery
    Altmer/ magickia recovery Bosmer/ stamina recovery khajiit/ health recovery
    Nord/ health recovery / argonion magicka recovery dunmer/ stamina recovery
    Plus each of the races should have there own special passives like they do know.
    But they do need to balance it out so its not as much of an effect for builds or certain races required to play effective builds.
    Edited by Thevampirenight on March 6, 2016 12:03AM
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    Please add Fangs to Vampires.
  • phillyboy7897
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    If you've been playing the game stam has had this coming. Youve been playing the most OP class in the game it shouldnt take 1 sec for u to switch to magicka

    IMO it should be harder to reroll not easier to prevent FOTM cheese
  • D0ntevenL1ft
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    At least my dk still has a leap :) But honestly stam didn't even get any good sets implemented this patch either.
    Edited by D0ntevenL1ft on March 6, 2016 1:14AM
  • laksikus
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    Detector wrote: »
    In next DLC will be new parameter in Champion System:

    - Hardy: This ability now reduces Poison, Disease, and PHYSICAL DAMAGE dealt to you, instead of Poison, Disease, and Magical Damage.

    So...

    Stamina-build vs Stamina-build = all unchanged
    Stamina-build vs Magicka-build = nerf damage for Stamina-build (who use Physical Damage)

    What news for stamina-builds?

    Мay be new trayt for physical damage (analogue of Nirn-trayt)? NO.
    Мay be ultimates with physical damage (only DK have this now)? NO.
    May be is critical damage not useless vs Absorb Shields (stamina-build have more critical chance)? NO.

    Please add Change Race...
    I want change my stamina-imperial-NB for magicka-altmer-NB.
    Stamina-builds dying...

    @ZOS_GinaBruno
    @ZOS_RichLambert

    Мay be new light armor passive for spell damage? (analoge to medium armor passive)? NO.
    Мay be new weapon passives for staffs that give SPELL PENETRATION (you know the thing you have instead of nirn with maces)? NO.
    May be staffs that give you 2 set pieces like dw or s+b and not only 1? NO.
    Edited by laksikus on March 6, 2016 1:13AM
  • acw37162
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    If you've been playing the game stam has had this coming. Youve been playing the most OP class in the game it shouldnt take 1 sec for u to switch to magicka

    IMO it should be harder to reroll not easier to prevent FOTM cheese

    I'm curious, how do you know what class he plays?

    And while it's not as drastic as the OP makes it out to be stam builds will be seriously gimped and in about two months will be kinda rare on a PVP server. I personally feel like I wasted six months researching medium armor.

  • Forestd16b14_ESO
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    Magicka users been crying since 1.6 saying "stamina is so OP nerf it" what you think was gonna happen ? Atleast and here's hopeing ZOS is true to their word and actually buff stamina and HA with U10 the Dark Brotherhood update.
  • LizardThixvim
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    why is it fair for a magicka build to have all their spells reduced dmg thanks to, armor, and cps, and most classes have built in spell resistance, templar and dk

    but its fair for a stam build to smack me with a 13k wb when i can only hit him back with a 6k spell, as he stacked up his spell resist and i have only armor to stop stam builds

    makes no sense and should have had physical resistance cp in the first place, all we need now is the equal of nirn but physical resistance and not spell resistance

    its plain b*llshit that stam builds have movement+tougher+healing then most mag builds as they have med armor vigor, rally and mag have light armor, and hit you for 13k spammable wbs or snipes is just stupid,

    physical resistance was well needed and im so happy for it cant wait to stack physical resistance and watch all the wb spammers cry <33
    Edited by LizardThixvim on March 6, 2016 1:59AM
  • Lysette
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    From a logical point of view "hardy" makes sense with physical damage. For magical damage it would have to be "witty" or "clever" or something like this. But hardy as in extremely healthy and able to cope with real world misery, is more about physical damage resistance than magical. At least that is how I see it.

    Edit: seen from former TES games, wisdom was what decided about how resistant to magic your character is. And endurance was for how healthy a character is and how well he can cope with the non-magical world. "Hardy" goes more into the direction of endurance, so it is ok like it is.
    Edited by Lysette on March 6, 2016 2:04AM
  • phillyboy7897
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    I know what class he plays cause I read his post lol. Anything else I say about him will be flagged and zos trolled
  • FriedEggSandwich
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    I like how people are assuming the change to hardy will result in magicka hitting harder than stam. Stam hits harder than magicka by design, and I would assume that this was represented by base damage. It should hit harder to reward the risk of needing to fight in melee range. But it shouldn't hit for massively more than magicka, which it currently can thanks to no physical mitigation from cp. Bringing physical damage mitigation in line with magic damage mitigation shouldn't result in a magicka master race, just less of a gap in damage between stam and mag. Why don't we just wait to see how it pans out before getting fired up? Unless you actually have some figures from pts to prove that magicka now hits harder. The only thing in the op that I would agree that stamina needed was physical ultimates.
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  • TheDarkShadow
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    I CAN'T 1 SHOT PEOPLE FROM STEALTH WITH FOCUS AIM - HEAVY ATTACK - AMBUSH - FEAR - ULT - SURPRISE ATTACK ANY MORE! THIS IS OUTRAGE! WUT I'M GONNA DO NOW? ROLL THE NEXT FOTM?
  • Draxys
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    Let's get the terminology right: it's a balance, not a nerf. And it's needed.
    2013

    rip decibel
  • Leandor
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    ...all we need now is the equal of nirn but physical resistance and not spell resistance...
    Oh, you mean like reinforced, which is exactly the same and has been there from start?
  • Mac10murda
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    Lol I love how stam builds could reduce magic damage but now it's the other way around and it's not fair
  • acw37162
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    Draxys wrote: »
    Let's get the terminology right: it's a balance, not a nerf. And it's needed.

    Proper terminology: adjust, adjustment, adjusted

    This implies no negative or positive connotations.

  • Acrolas
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    Elemental Defender got magic damage, Hardy got physical damage.

    So it really is a balance, as most people will 50-50 their points like they probably already did before the change.
    signing off
  • D0ntevenL1ft
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    Mac10murda wrote: »
    Lol I love how stam builds could reduce magic damage but now it's the other way around and it's not fair

    Edit: Removed post :)
    Edited by D0ntevenL1ft on March 6, 2016 3:36AM
  • remilafo
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    it's the PTS forums discussions all over again... wait for the patch notes monday.
  • Emma_Overload
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    Stamina builds aren't being nerfed, they're being BALANCED with stamina builds for the first time in MONTHS.

    Did you really think it was fair that Wrecking Blow and Surprise Attack hit like ultimates on light armor mages?
    #CAREBEARMASTERRACE
  • Forestd16b14_ESO
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    Se what I mean @Detector Magicka users QQ non-stop about stamina till their "balanced". Ok then were are all the physical base ultimates then ? How about some more stamina base healing that isn't vigor and rally then ? How about some stamina base damage shields ? No ? You magicka users want stamina users to stay in the mud ? What a big shocker....

    Hardy is a nerf to stamina users cause hey now their is even less motive for any one to play a tank all your crying about stamina users is also killing tanks. Slowly yes but crying this much will eventually kill every last tank in the game. But why should magicka users care they got the best DPS (don't even say stamina cause last time it is just wrecking blow and steel tornado spam that's it) and best defense in the game and don't even say "L2P against shields scrub" cause ZOS even stated damage shields are far to powerful and need "balanced" as you magicka users are calling when in reality it's nerfing and buffing.
    Edited by Forestd16b14_ESO on March 6, 2016 6:12AM
  • FriedEggSandwich
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    Se what I mean @Detector Magicka users QQ non-stop about stamina till their "balanced". Ok then were are all the physical base ultimates then ? How about some more stamina base healing that isn't vigor and rally then ? How about some stamina base damage shields ? No ? You magicka users want stamina users to stay in the mud ? What a big shocker....

    Hardy is a nerf to stamina users cause hey now their is even less motive for any one to play a tank all your crying about stamina users is also killing tanks. Slowly yes but crying this much will eventually kill every last tank in the game. But why should magicka users care they got the best DPS (don't even say stamina cause last time it is just wrecking blow and steel tornado spam that's it) and best defense in the game and don't even say "L2P against shields scrub" cause ZOS even stated damage shields are far to powerful and need "balanced" as you magicka users are calling when in reality it's nerfing and buffing.

    Get some perspective man; I occasionally see a magicka user complain about stam, but I also occasionally see a stam build complain about magicka (you for one). All I have seen you post is "QQ non-stop" about magicka. I'm a magicka user, I'm pleased for the hardy change, I want stam users to have physical ultis and I despise shield stacking. Where do I stand on your enemy radar? lol

    Quit with the "us and them" attitude and get some rational opinion. Your terminology (nerf/balance) is irrelevant to the fact that magic and elemental damage can be mitigated up to 25%, but not physical damage. If the imbalance there isn't clear to you then you're probably a lot less skilled than you think. Tanks will also be able to spend cp in hardy to mitigate physical damage, how is this a negative for tanks?

    Yes players that whine about wb are annoying af, but instead of spewing tired rants like this you should challenge those players' posts when you see them and use reason and logic to explain why you are right and they are wrong. Right now you're just burning bridges and losing credibility.
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  • TheDarkShadow
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    Defense: Mag build have shield, stam build can dodge roll, break free and block more. Mag can also dodge roll, break free and block, a couple time, but on the other hand, stam can also use their mag pool for cloak/bolt/reflect/purge... a couple time. Both have heal.
    Offense: Mag damage get mitigated by CP and Nirn beside armor. On the other hand no CP to reduce phys damage.
    So add a CP star for phys damage reduction is a balance.
  • oibam
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    Stamina builds aren't being nerfed, they're being BALANCED with stamina builds for the first time in MONTHS.

    Did you really think it was fair that Wrecking Blow and Surprise Attack hit like ultimates on light armor mages?

    They hit like ultis on all types of armor. 6k SA on full heavy 7/7...makes sense...not.
  • WillhelmBlack
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    I played the PTS, 1v1 stam wins against my build.

    With my Light Armour Templar:

    I beat 6 Magicka DK lost 1. Lost all 4 fights against Stam DK, the WB bash is still real.

    I beat 2 Stam NB, lost 2. Fear is still not instantly unbreakable. Lost all fights against Magicka NB.

    Lost all fights against Magicka Sorcs, Stamina Templars and never saw a Stam Sorc lol.

    Seems like a good balance.
    Edited by WillhelmBlack on March 6, 2016 9:57AM
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  • magnusthorek
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    It's so cute see a stamina player complaining when they receive a moderate nerf while us, magicka players, had to live basically being spanked by Steel Tornado / Charge / Wrecking Blow spammers...
    I am the very model of a scientist Salarian, I've studied species Turian, Asari, and Batarian.
    I'm quite good at genetics (as a subset of biology) because I am an expert (which I know is a tautology).
    My xenoscience studies range from urban to agrarian, I am the very model of a Scientist Salarian.
  • Dhukath
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    Play on the no CP campaign, problem solved!
  • Ragnaroek93
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    And ultimates don't scale with mighty and armorpen (unless you are a DK). So it was kinda fair that you can't spend CP on physical defense. Now magicka users got what they wanted, getting buffed (just lol...) and stamina players get nothing :|
    I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.
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