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The inconsistent account wide philosophy must end.
Asia_Skyly
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I am getting frustrated with the inconsistent philosophy in regards to items/achievements in this game.
Collectible items for example, SHOULD be account wide. Heck, they WERE account wide (so to speak) until they decided to change this for no good reason what so ever.
PvP titles should also be account wide, a person's experience in PvP does not go away just because they re-roll a new PvP toon. They still know what to do in combat. A new player facing a level 20 character, who happens to be Grand Overlord on another toon, is going to get eaten alive.
Fishing is a nightmare, it would be a much more enjoyable task if you could fish anywhere you like with whichever character you like. Right now, you are encouraged to do it in only one character. I would much more prefer to do this only any char!
Here are some example of this royal mess:
AP/PvP - by char
Champ Pts - account wide
Collectibles - by char
Dyes - account wide
Bound armor/weapons - account wide
Styles - by char
Riding skills - by char
Horses/Pets/Costumes - account wide
This is a mess. Fix it. Make everything account wide, there is absolutely no reason not to, well there is one: To annoy and push away your player base.
Collectible items for example, SHOULD be account wide. Heck, they WERE account wide (so to speak) until they decided to change this for no good reason what so ever.
PvP titles should also be account wide, a person's experience in PvP does not go away just because they re-roll a new PvP toon. They still know what to do in combat. A new player facing a level 20 character, who happens to be Grand Overlord on another toon, is going to get eaten alive.
Fishing is a nightmare, it would be a much more enjoyable task if you could fish anywhere you like with whichever character you like. Right now, you are encouraged to do it in only one character. I would much more prefer to do this only any char!
Here are some example of this royal mess:
AP/PvP - by char
Champ Pts - account wide
Collectibles - by char
Dyes - account wide
Bound armor/weapons - account wide
Styles - by char
Riding skills - by char
Horses/Pets/Costumes - account wide
This is a mess. Fix it. Make everything account wide, there is absolutely no reason not to, well there is one: To annoy and push away your player base.
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Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I have zero interest in PvP so won't comment on that aspect of it, but so far as everything else is concerned I am totally opposed to anything else being made account-wide, that is not the basis on which I play alts. I want them to earn everything for themselves, it's a huge part of the fun in developing them. If I could, I'd extend that to champion points and dye unlocks, for example.14 -
TalonKnight✭✭✭Asia_Skyly wrote: »I am getting frustrated with the inconsistent philosophy in regards to items/achievements in this game.
Collectible items for example, SHOULD be account wide. Heck, they WERE account wide (so to speak) until they decided to change this for no good reason what so ever.
PvP titles should also be account wide, a person's experience in PvP does not go away just because they re-roll a new PvP toon. They still know what to do in combat. A new player facing a level 20 character, who happens to be Grand Overlord on another toon, is going to get eaten alive.
Fishing is a nightmare, it would be a much more enjoyable task if you could fish anywhere you like with whichever character you like. Right now, you are encouraged to do it in only one character. I would much more prefer to do this only any char!
Here are some example of this royal mess:
AP/PvP - by char
Champ Pts - account wide
Collectibles - by char
Dyes - account wide
Bound armor/weapons - account wide
Styles - by char
Riding skills - by char
Horses/Pets/Costumes - account wide
This is a mess. Fix it. Make everything account wide, there is absolutely no reason not to, well there is one: To annoy and push away your player base.
completely agree dude.7 -
spoqster✭✭✭✭✭Asia_Skyly wrote: »I am getting frustrated with the inconsistent philosophy in regards to items/achievements in this game.
Collectible items for example, SHOULD be account wide. Heck, they WERE account wide (so to speak) until they decided to change this for no good reason what so ever.
PvP titles should also be account wide, a person's experience in PvP does not go away just because they re-roll a new PvP toon. They still know what to do in combat. A new player facing a level 20 character, who happens to be Grand Overlord on another toon, is going to get eaten alive.
Fishing is a nightmare, it would be a much more enjoyable task if you could fish anywhere you like with whichever character you like. Right now, you are encouraged to do it in only one character. I would much more prefer to do this only any char!
Here are some example of this royal mess:
AP/PvP - by char
Champ Pts - account wide
Collectibles - by char
Dyes - account wide
Bound armor/weapons - account wide
Styles - by char
Riding skills - by char
Horses/Pets/Costumes - account wide
This is a mess. Fix it. Make everything account wide, there is absolutely no reason not to, well there is one: To annoy and push away your player base.
Some very good points. I am an advocate of making crafting account-wide as well.5 -
Kendaric✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I have zero interest in PvP so won't comment on that aspect of it, but so far as everything else is concerned I am totally opposed to anything else being made account-wide, that is not the basis on which I play alts. I want them to earn everything for themselves, it's a huge part of the fun in developing them. If I could, I'd extend that to champion points and dye unlocks, for example.
^ This ^ sums up my thoughts exactly. There's no need to have everything accountwide.13 -
TalonKnight✭✭✭I have zero interest in PvP so won't comment on that aspect of it, but so far as everything else is concerned I am totally opposed to anything else being made account-wide, that is not the basis on which I play alts. I want them to earn everything for themselves, it's a huge part of the fun in developing them. If I could, I'd extend that to champion points and dye unlocks, for example.
^ This ^ sums up my thoughts exactly. There's no need to have everything accountwide.
u all have to be trollin here....4 -
dimensional✭✭✭✭✭
✭I gotta disagree with that, crafting and all sorts of other things should definitely stay character-specific.8 -
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harrlockk616✭✭✭I have zero interest in PvP so won't comment on that aspect of it, but so far as everything else is concerned I am totally opposed to anything else being made account-wide, that is not the basis on which I play alts. I want them to earn everything for themselves, it's a huge part of the fun in developing them. If I could, I'd extend that to champion points and dye unlocks, for example.
I would have to agree also on this
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TalonKnight✭✭✭I have zero interest in PvP so won't comment on that aspect of it, but so far as everything else is concerned I am totally opposed to anything else being made account-wide, that is not the basis on which I play alts. I want them to earn everything for themselves, it's a huge part of the fun in developing them. If I could, I'd extend that to champion points and dye unlocks, for example.
Thats cool maybe ZOS can add a little option for u to have all dlc character wide, since u like to work so hard for everything....10 -
dimensional✭✭✭✭✭
✭TalonKnight wrote: »I have zero interest in PvP so won't comment on that aspect of it, but so far as everything else is concerned I am totally opposed to anything else being made account-wide, that is not the basis on which I play alts. I want them to earn everything for themselves, it's a huge part of the fun in developing them. If I could, I'd extend that to champion points and dye unlocks, for example.
Thats cool maybe ZOS can add a little option for u to have all dlc character wide, since u like to work so hard for everything....
Maybe ZOS can add an option for people like you to have only one character that has access to every skill, ability, all racial passives and unlimited storage space.1 -
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✭Asia_Skyly wrote: »I am getting frustrated with the inconsistent philosophy in regards to items/achievements in this game.
Collectible items for example, SHOULD be account wide. Heck, they WERE account wide (so to speak) until they decided to change this for no good reason what so ever.
PvP titles should also be account wide, a person's experience in PvP does not go away just because they re-roll a new PvP toon. They still know what to do in combat. A new player facing a level 20 character, who happens to be Grand Overlord on another toon, is going to get eaten alive.
Fishing is a nightmare, it would be a much more enjoyable task if you could fish anywhere you like with whichever character you like. Right now, you are encouraged to do it in only one character. I would much more prefer to do this only any char!
Here are some example of this royal mess:
AP/PvP - by char
Champ Pts - account wide
Collectibles - by char
Dyes - account wide
Bound armor/weapons - account wide
Styles - by char
Riding skills - by char
Horses/Pets/Costumes - account wide
This is a mess. Fix it. Make everything account wide, there is absolutely no reason not to, well there is one: To annoy and push away your player base.
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Sallington✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I have zero interest in PvP so won't comment on that aspect of it, but so far as everything else is concerned I am totally opposed to anything else being made account-wide, that is not the basis on which I play alts. I want them to earn everything for themselves, it's a huge part of the fun in developing them. If I could, I'd extend that to champion points and dye unlocks, for example.
The more things that are character-bound, the less likely I am to roll an alt and go through all of that again.Daggerfall Covenant
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Shallington - NightBlade - Lieutenant |
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spoqster✭✭✭✭✭It seems like there are two factions here.
- One wants to have most things account-wide.
- The other wants to have most things character-based.
I'm with the account-wide faction, and I have an argument for it, that seem pretty objective from my perspective:
In order for goals to be interesting and motivating, they need to be achievable. Getting all the achievements (except for fishing) on one character is already nearly impossible (we're talking hundreds of hours here), so getting all these achievements on all characters (be it two or eight) is pretty much impossible even if you play 20 hours a day.
So this argument is based on a common pattern documented in psychology, that if you encounter a task that is unsurmountable, you're like to give up all together or not even start.
In addition there are many arguments made in terms of convenience, but I will not list those here.
So having made this argument, I am interested in what members the pro-character-based faction would make as a counter argument.9 -
spoqster✭✭✭✭✭Sallington wrote: »I have zero interest in PvP so won't comment on that aspect of it, but so far as everything else is concerned I am totally opposed to anything else being made account-wide, that is not the basis on which I play alts. I want them to earn everything for themselves, it's a huge part of the fun in developing them. If I could, I'd extend that to champion points and dye unlocks, for example.
The more things that are character-bound, the less likely I am to roll an alt and go through all of that again.
Exactly! Character-binding discourages re-rolling.4 -
TalonKnight✭✭✭"Maybe ZOS can add an option for people like you to have only one character that has access to every skill, ability, all racial passives and unlimited storage space."
Sounds great!2 -
dimensional✭✭✭✭✭
✭How about the faction that wants things account or character associated based on how appropriate they are? No reason my lvl 1 alt should have all the crafting skills and riding skills as my VR16 main. That would be stupid as hell. But collections and other cosmetic things I would have no problem with.7 -
TalonKnight✭✭✭dimensional wrote: »How about the faction that wants things account or character associated based on how appropriate they are? No reason my lvl 1 alt should have all the crafting skills and riding skills as my VR16 main. That would be stupid as hell. But collections and other cosmetic things I would have no problem with.
Have to disagree with the riding skill thing as that is something u can buy in the crown store, i mean who in the crap wants to wait 180 days to get a new mount maxed without the crown store stuff....2 -
dimensional✭✭✭✭✭
✭Well maybe riding skill could go but I honestly wouldn't want to see every little thing become completely account-wide. Especially when it sort of directly relates to a specific character's development.2 -
AshTal✭✭✭✭I would like to see more account wide options - make having alts easier and less of a grind
The best part of the game is the PvE story. I want to play through all of them on different chars but I don't want to have to redo all the boring parts over and over.
The one I really want is account wide alliance ranks - they are the only good titles out there.4 -
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TalonKnight✭✭✭I would like to see more account wide options - make having alts easier and less of a grind
The best part of the game is the PvE story. I want to play through all of them on different chars but I don't want to have to redo all the boring parts over and over.
The one I really want is account wide alliance ranks - they are the only good titles out there.
I dont even PVP, but i agree with u.3 -
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✭While they are at it I wish our "account wide" unlocks would count for both servers....I paid for all these costumes and stuff and can't use it on the EU server. WTF?8 -
Aimora✭✭✭✭✭TalonKnight wrote: »I have zero interest in PvP so won't comment on that aspect of it, but so far as everything else is concerned I am totally opposed to anything else being made account-wide, that is not the basis on which I play alts. I want them to earn everything for themselves, it's a huge part of the fun in developing them. If I could, I'd extend that to champion points and dye unlocks, for example.
Thats cool maybe ZOS can add a little option for u to have all dlc character wide, since u like to work so hard for everything....
Agreed - give us options
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Bookwyrm✭✭✭✭TalonKnight wrote: »dimensional wrote: »How about the faction that wants things account or character associated based on how appropriate they are? No reason my lvl 1 alt should have all the crafting skills and riding skills as my VR16 main. That would be stupid as hell. But collections and other cosmetic things I would have no problem with.
Have to disagree with the riding skill thing as that is something u can buy in the crown store, i mean who in the crap wants to wait 180 days to get a new mount maxed without the crown store stuff....
I got all of my characters to their max riding skills before the Crown Store came out with riding skills. Of course, if they add new character slots (please!) I would need to spend the time again, but I'd much rather spend the in-game gold on that than real cash. I'll save my Crowns for something I couldn't get in-game (like DLC, Crown Store pets/mounts/etc.).
It can be tedious, that's no lie, but it's only really a problem if you decide to take a new character right into PvP as soon as they hit level 10.
Also, you can buy werewolf and vampire curses through the Crown Store, that doesn't mean that once you get it on one character it should be account-wide.
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In my opinion that's exactly how I want it to be. Lazy americans and PvPers disagree of course...Asia_Skyly wrote: »AP/PvP - by char
Champ Pts - account wide
Collectibles - by char
Dyes - account wide
Bound armor/weapons - account wide
Styles - by char
Riding skills - by char
Horses/Pets/Costumes - account wide
I would be ok with AP being bankable, but the rest wouldn't make sense to be changed.EU - PC - Ebonheart Pact
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✭✭✭✭✭Asia_Skyly wrote: »
This is a mess. Fix it. Make everything account wide, there is absolutely no reason not to, well there is one: To annoy and push away your player base.
I agree that it confusing, but they should have made all character related stuff for the character and account stuff related to accounts.
Champion Points <- character
AP <- character
AR <- character
Bank <- character
Mail <- character
Guilds <- character, but not 5 each
Skills <- character
Styles <- character
Traits <- character
BOP <- character
BOE <- character
Crown pets <- account
Crown mounts <- account
Crown costumes <- account
Crown motifs <- account (until used)
Crown provisions <- account
Crown crafting supplies <- account
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Sallington✭✭✭✭✭
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In my opinion that's exactly how I want it to be. Lazy americans and PvPers disagree of course...Asia_Skyly wrote: »AP/PvP - by char
Champ Pts - account wide
Collectibles - by char
Dyes - account wide
Bound armor/weapons - account wide
Styles - by char
Riding skills - by char
Horses/Pets/Costumes - account wide
I would be ok with AP being bankable, but the rest wouldn't make sense to be changed.
Lol what a tool.Daggerfall Covenant
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✭Riding skills is an entire separate mess and warrants it own thread.
I definitely don't like the idea of 150+ days to up my alts mounts though and every time I get on an alt and 'feed' my horse it sickens me to where I log off. They should be account wide.
Obviously the system is in place to guide your frustration to the crown store to skip the bad design.6
