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Stam Sorc Defense 1v1 Against Ninja San without Crit Surge

Dyride
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Demonstrating the drawbacks to defensive options available to Stam Sorcs. I survived, but should have died.

I annotated the video to show some of the things that may not be totally obvious at first glance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CGYZLs9IKI

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Edited by Dyride on March 2, 2016 10:26PM
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    • Cathexis
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      This seems like a fairly classic fight progression. I have found that a lot of the time I have to work twice as hard as my opponents to keep my opponents on their toes and then when you are out numbered it compounds. Defensive utilities are simply inadequate when faced with multiple opponents. It's a joke. 1v1 I think it is fairly well balanced provided your damage can keep up with your opponent but it isn't realistic to fight in open cyrodiil or vs any groups.
      Edited by Cathexis on March 3, 2016 12:28AM
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      Um, OP... were you lagging during this? At 1:01 you get Surprise Attacked from stealth and get stunned even though Ninja is 15 feet away from you.

      Anyway, I haven't worked with Defensive Rune so I'm not sure if this applies or not. Does it give a damage shield to the player it's used on? If not, I'd find this not fair being as Agony(NB CC) and Petrify(DK CC) do the same type of CC but add a damage shield so stuff like that doesn't happen. If it does add a damage shield, ignore that statement :#
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    • Valrien
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      Ampnode wrote: »
      Um, OP... were you lagging during this? At 1:01 you get Surprise Attacked from stealth and get stunned even though Ninja is 15 feet away from you.

      Anyway, I haven't worked with Defensive Rune so I'm not sure if this applies or not. Does it give a damage shield to the player it's used on? If not, I'd find this not fair being as Agony(NB CC) and Petrify(DK CC) do the same type of CC but add a damage shield so stuff like that doesn't happen. If it does add a damage shield, ignore that statement :#

      It doesn't give a damage shield (none of them do, actually), but the CC does break if the opponent takes damage.
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    • Ampnode
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      Valrien wrote: »
      Ampnode wrote: »
      Um, OP... were you lagging during this? At 1:01 you get Surprise Attacked from stealth and get stunned even though Ninja is 15 feet away from you.

      Anyway, I haven't worked with Defensive Rune so I'm not sure if this applies or not. Does it give a damage shield to the player it's used on? If not, I'd find this not fair being as Agony(NB CC) and Petrify(DK CC) do the same type of CC but add a damage shield so stuff like that doesn't happen. If it does add a damage shield, ignore that statement :#

      It doesn't give a damage shield (none of them do, actually), but the CC does break if the opponent takes damage.

      Ye, should definitely work like Petrify/Agony then.

      EXAMPLE:(Damage shield tooltip is low because of no gear/weapon)
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      Edited by Ampnode on March 3, 2016 7:15AM
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    • Dyride
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      @Ampnode Well having a small damage threshold looks like an elegant solution to a serious drawback to using Defensive Rune.

      As you can see in the video, I give him free CC immunity multiple times throughout the fight.

      @Wrobel could you please put this under consideration for Sorc changes.
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        I don't understand why they don't make it work the same way as the Rune Cage morph, so it won't dispel on DOTs.
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      2. mistermutiny89
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        I would much much prefer a spammable dps ability that scales off stamina for stam sorcs before anything else. Sick to death of having to slot wrecking blow on my bar to do any decent damage, it doesn't have to cc, just make it do the same damage as surprise attack.
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      3. MrGigglypants
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        I would much much prefer a spammable dps ability that scales off stamina for stam sorcs before anything else. Sick to death of having to slot wrecking blow on my bar to do any decent damage, it doesn't have to cc, just make it do the same damage as surprise attack.

        Just play nb if u want that ability lol its part of class variety.
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        I would much much prefer a spammable dps ability that scales off stamina for stam sorcs before anything else. Sick to death of having to slot wrecking blow on my bar to do any decent damage, it doesn't have to cc, just make it do the same damage as surprise attack.

        Just play nb if u want that ability lol its part of class variety.

        Class variety aka play neutered or reroll.

        Stam sorc actually used to be better than it is now, but that was before the overall rise in stamina as the meta to play.
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        1. mistermutiny89
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          I would much much prefer a spammable dps ability that scales off stamina for stam sorcs before anything else. Sick to death of having to slot wrecking blow on my bar to do any decent damage, it doesn't have to cc, just make it do the same damage as surprise attack.

          Just play nb if u want that ability lol its part of class variety.

          I have one of every class (eight characters). All classes should have a stamina and magicka spammable dps ability. No excuses. This was overlooked when hybrids and stat caps were removed.

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          Shame alucardo can't see this, you should post this to his Anook page
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