Schurge wrote: »

This is a bad idea considering how many nerfs have been made to core abilities and mechanics due to what roided-out Smurfs are capable of doing. I am still incapable of perma-dodging even with 180cp thank you very much.

CP should be entirely reworked with a much lower cap (and possibly being character bound). Regardless, since they are going to remove it and turning CP into a viable endgame *PVP* progression system is unlikely to ever happen this shouldn't be implemented until they remove VRs entirely. Splitting the VR community further is a bad idea and the effects of CP are worst in the non-Vet campaigns anyway (which would then still be endgame campaigns).

At the end of the day we shouldn't be balancing the game around two entirely different rule sets. It's like making classic servers after an expansion... It means you failed and you are too lazy to fix it.

I disagree that CP is an abject failure but think the caps should be drastically lowered so that players are forced to make trade offs. Making campaigns without CP just makes it less likely for CP to be fixed and make balance worse for both sides.

An old thread necroed by someone, but this is an insightful post that really needs to be heeded.

Many bonuses, mechanics, and functionalities of the game was originally designed are were removed and put into the Champion System under the assumption that players would invest points into the system and get them back (and eventually and then some). Setting your CPs to zero won't all of a sudden bring back you're 1.5 build.

ZoS has further adjusted game balance under the premise of champion points (or more accurately, the high number many players had), specifically the Battle Spirit adjustments made with the IC patch, that will be out of place in a non-CP.

As much as I like the idea of a level playing field, CPs are a part of the game and I design my builds, gearing, and abilities with them in mind because I plan on participating in other aspects of the game that have them and have been designed with them in mind. I am not going to respect, regear, and change my build every time I want to PvP because it has vastly different rules and game mechanics.

I never thought they had a place in BwB because that campaign was specifically designed for non-veteran play and you had people like me who could make low level alts with 500 CPs and stomp inexperienced players with none. It's ok to have something like this but end-game content should not have fundamentally different rulesets because ZoS has hasn't demonstrated it can even maintain a desirable balance with just one.

I'm not going to play in a non CP campaign

Current state of the game is built around the CP system. When update 6 came out, everyone had lower stats which would be increased as you gain CP. Without CP, especially with the damage reduction in Cyrodiil, everyone will be doing very little damage

Joyous day kaloo kalay!

Finally a developer cluing in that pvp in mmos should be inclusive and not exclusive.

Real competitors know a real challenge comes from playing on an even play field.

I guess people will have to go back to the "Damn macro user killed me"

Because they can't use CP it has to be macros, don't you know people don't beat someone through skill lol

I'm actually happy and sad over this.

I feel CP should have never been in non-vet campaign. However, for the last several weeks I have my level 10 character "Heart Ripper".. ready to destroy AD and EP. I have like 250 cp but was going to bring it out when I had 501cp and WB spam everyone I seen. Its what I call "Pay Back Time".

Guess that won't be happening.

Can we get a campaign without battle leveling as well then? I'm sick of these low level zergs being able to take keeps from a small group of VR16 players because they all have twice the health and resources.

AWESOME!

I came back to play on PVP as the ESO gameplay is great. I don't find grinding for months on end just levelling up as fun, I prefer to just play the game for fun.

Slashie wrote: »

It will be interesting to see what happens to the people who like to run around BWB with 400 CP thinking that makes them actually good players.

Personally I think it's a great idea, even the playing field for the new kids. More non PvP oriented people will have a higher desire to start PvPing if it's an even matchup between them and Mr.501 CP

Agreed... i know before i started getting cp's i was saying that bwb should have no cp's since its non-vet.... actually going to be undoing my cp's tomorrow and testing out non cp dueling with 2 of my friends in another faction... will be interesting

The idea in theory is great but just refer to @Shardaxx 's post right above mine for how it will play out irl.

Well it appears Azura EU has pretty much emptied of guilds as they flee the no-CP to other campaigns.

Problem is that really only people who don't play much have no CP and building a game specially for people who don't really play that game much might be a questionable business tactic?