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Sorcs Strong...but Weak at the Same Time
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Ender1310✭✭✭✭Um its two shields to chew through plus specced right you will be reapplying that shield. So I hit it once you reapply it and streak away. Sorc is easy mode plus they stack with the healing staff shield. I don't get the defense. Probably I am biased but I just see too many easy mode sorcs.1 -
Um its two shields to chew through plus specced right you will be reapplying that shield. So I hit it once you reapply it and streak away. Sorc is easy mode plus they stack with the healing staff shield. I don't get the defense. Probably I am biased but I just see too many easy mode sorcs.
i used to think the same thing about shield stacking and such, but after playing a sorc, i have changed my mind.
dieing to 2-3 wrecking blow hits cause youre stuck cc'd on the ground or getting stun locked to death cause you cant switch bars makes it even more obvious that sorcs arent op.
shields go down quicker than you may think and if you keep pressure on the sorc he either has to spam the crap out of his shields or streak away from you. both cost magicka and if you keep the pressure up the sorc will have no stam and no magicka and be a duck in water.
1 wrecking blow on a sorc while he has no stam means that sorc cant get up and will be dead in seconds.
all these stories about 10v1 sorc and the sorc escaping absolutely means the attacking group was crap. all it takes is two decent nbs to ambush the crap out of him and he struggles just to apply shields.
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✭✭✭✭✭Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »Um its two shields to chew through plus specced right you will be reapplying that shield. So I hit it once you reapply it and streak away. Sorc is easy mode plus they stack with the healing staff shield. I don't get the defense. Probably I am biased but I just see too many easy mode sorcs.
i used to think the same thing about shield stacking and such, but after playing a sorc, i have changed my mind.
dieing to 2-3 wrecking blow hits cause youre stuck cc'd on the ground or getting stun locked to death cause you cant switch bars makes it even more obvious that sorcs arent op.
shields go down quicker than you may think and if you keep pressure on the sorc he either has to spam the crap out of his shields or streak away from you. both cost magicka and if you keep the pressure up the sorc will have no stam and no magicka and be a duck in water.
1 wrecking blow on a sorc while he has no stam means that sorc cant get up and will be dead in seconds.
all these stories about 10v1 sorc and the sorc escaping absolutely means the attacking group was crap. all it takes is two decent nbs to ambush the crap out of him and he struggles just to apply shields.
Everything you said is the truest stuff I've ever read on this forum. Bless you for revealing the truth about the Sorc Experience.
Really, guys all it takes is a couple of clowns spamming gap closers and a Sorc dies in 2 seconds. If anything, the Wards need to be WAY bigger.#CAREBEARMASTERRACE3 -
D0ntevenL1ft✭✭✭✭✭Um its two shields to chew through plus specced right you will be reapplying that shield. So I hit it once you reapply it and streak away. Sorc is easy mode plus they stack with the healing staff shield. I don't get the defense. Probably I am biased but I just see too many easy mode sorcs.
As others have pointed out you could not be more biased. Stamblades basically 1 hit SA any shield within a 1 second burst window. WB knocks you down to a buggy CC and takes down the entire shield 1 hit. The only thing I somewhat understand is making harness and hardened not stack but other than that shields are the only mean of defense for a sorc and are taken out somewhat easily with the dps people are putting out these days.0 -
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✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »Meh, when my sorc was level 16 wearing white training gear, I wrecked a vr16 WB spammer. Even without a shield their damage alone just melts faces.
Sorcs have pretty easy access to buffs to spell damage and spell crit in their native skill trees. Which leads them open to be creative with their gear set ups. So it comes to no surprise you can melt faces so early on in that toons life. This is one of the reasons I like the Sorc from the Magic PoV of things~<30 -
I feel like some spells need not be dot - curse, det, mines (I think)...am I missing any? Just those spells would help a lot with power surge.1
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As sorcs we have a few sources of healing that are worth to mention.
- Power Surge, better than Critical Surge ; 40% healing on criticals ; better due to 0.1 sec delay vs 1 sec delay.
- Crystal Shard, as the major DPS spell, which comes with 8% of Max Health flat healing from Blood Magic. (I'd have loved to have Daedric Curse benefitting from this as well)
- Clannfear, which comes with 35% of Max Health healing when dies or gets unsummoned. You don't need magicka to get this heal. You only need magicka to prepare for it, when you summon it. Think of it, it's like reloading a gun in a FPS ; before going into battle, it's already loaded (Clannfear present).
- Twilight Matriarch, which heals you when you fall below 35% (but 30 sec cooldown)
Extra:
Degeneration (morph of Mages' Guild Entropy) - 15% chance to heal for 115% of damage. Might be interesting along the Agility passive of Medium Armor. I don't use it right now, have to give up probably the Matriarch for it.
And there is something else that can get about 30% on demand heal with very short cooldown, but I won't tell, cause it will be nerfed.
So basically there is:
- random healing from Power Surge and/or Degeneration
- constant flat healing from Crystal Shard or other Dark Magic spell (but Crystal Shard is main)
- emergency automatic healing from Twilight Matriarch
case that doesn't work:
- on demand healing from unsummoning the Clannfear (no magicka cost)
- on demand healing from that other thing (doesn't cost anything)
Yes, a pet build is vastly superior any other sorc build. You don't feel like a glass cannon anymore. While not exactly a tank, you still have a chance to retaliate.
This is only a part of the sorc that I built after studying forums for several days. The rest of it is about a whole different idea.Edited by fxeconomisteb17_ESO on March 5, 2016 6:11AM"Is it true her wounds healed on their own ? Yes" No s***, at 75% health regen penalty!
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✭✭You also can't do crit damage to a shield so in reality that shield is worth a lot more than its base value to you.
I have sacrificed a lot to achieve a high amount of crit and crit damage but its completely negated against any shield and not worth a damn.
No need to run Impen either.PC EU0 -
You also can't do crit damage to a shield so in reality that shield is worth a lot more than its base value to you.
I have sacrificed a lot to achieve a high amount of crit and crit damage but its completely negated against any shield and not worth a damn.
By shield you mean the shield piece or the damage shield created by something like a Conjured Ward?Edited by fxeconomisteb17_ESO on March 5, 2016 6:59AM"Is it true her wounds healed on their own ? Yes" No s***, at 75% health regen penalty!
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✭✭✭✭✭TBH shieldstacking should go away, and some of the single shields should get a slight buff, shieldbreaker should deal dmg to the actual shield. Would be a step in the right direction if you ask me.
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✭✭✭jyates214b14_ESO wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »What with... frag or overload... cuz those be the only two damaging moves in the sorc line up.
Here is a list of PvP playable moves in the sorc tree:
Overload
Power Surge
Streak
Cystal Frag
Hardened Ward
You MAY see a few running mines... Maybe
And that's it. Any dps Sorc uses destro staff, moves all classes can use, and resto staff, again with moves all classes can use.
The vast Majority of any dps sorc build is non sorc tree skills
Annulment
Healing Ward
Force Crush
Pulsar
Mages Light
Meteor
Webs
Proxy det
Dawnbreaker
Barrier
Etc...
You forgot Mage's Fury.
And Curse.
And really, how many "damaging moves" do you need? Most builds spam 1 or 2.
You know that's what I like most about Sorc's everyone says they are easy to play, but a stamina build spams WB and executioner, NBs Spambush, Temps use biting jabs, idk what DKs do I actively avoid them and their damn wings.
But I'll be damned if I'm not using all 15 skills I have slotted (3rd bar OP). I don't have a 1 win button. If you don't know what you're doing as a Sorcerer you'll get melted.
I've played as a stamina Nightblade, stamina templar, stamina sorcerer, stamina DK, and a magicka sorcerer. Out of all of those the magicka sorcerer was the most powerful and easiest to play.1 -
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✭✭✭Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »Um its two shields to chew through plus specced right you will be reapplying that shield. So I hit it once you reapply it and streak away. Sorc is easy mode plus they stack with the healing staff shield. I don't get the defense. Probably I am biased but I just see too many easy mode sorcs.
i used to think the same thing about shield stacking and such, but after playing a sorc, i have changed my mind.
dieing to 2-3 wrecking blow hits cause youre stuck cc'd on the ground or getting stun locked to death cause you cant switch bars makes it even more obvious that sorcs arent op.
shields go down quicker than you may think and if you keep pressure on the sorc he either has to spam the crap out of his shields or streak away from you. both cost magicka and if you keep the pressure up the sorc will have no stam and no magicka and be a duck in water.
1 wrecking blow on a sorc while he has no stam means that sorc cant get up and will be dead in seconds.
all these stories about 10v1 sorc and the sorc escaping absolutely means the attacking group was crap. all it takes is two decent nbs to ambush the crap out of him and he struggles just to apply shields.
WB spammers are so easy to kill though. Have your frag proc ready, dodge roll past them as they're winding up, hit them with your frag, and you can literally hard cast 2 frags before they can get up. Hit them with a mages fury then they're done :-)1 -
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✭.Strider_Roshin wrote: »Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »Um its two shields to chew through plus specced right you will be reapplying that shield. So I hit it once you reapply it and streak away. Sorc is easy mode plus they stack with the healing staff shield. I don't get the defense. Probably I am biased but I just see too many easy mode sorcs.
i used to think the same thing about shield stacking and such, but after playing a sorc, i have changed my mind.
dieing to 2-3 wrecking blow hits cause youre stuck cc'd on the ground or getting stun locked to death cause you cant switch bars makes it even more obvious that sorcs arent op.
shields go down quicker than you may think and if you keep pressure on the sorc he either has to spam the crap out of his shields or streak away from you. both cost magicka and if you keep the pressure up the sorc will have no stam and no magicka and be a duck in water.
1 wrecking blow on a sorc while he has no stam means that sorc cant get up and will be dead in seconds.
all these stories about 10v1 sorc and the sorc escaping absolutely means the attacking group was crap. all it takes is two decent nbs to ambush the crap out of him and he struggles just to apply shields.
WB spammers are so easy to kill though. Have your frag proc ready, dodge roll past them as they're winding up, hit them with your frag, and you can literally hard cast 2 frags before they can get up. Hit them with a mages fury then they're done :-)
lolwut idk if you've seen how fast people cc break in pvp. Avoid exaggeration to keep all sides on board. You just put people on the defensive otherwise and discussions get out of hand.Edited by FriedEggSandwich on March 5, 2016 1:39PMPC | EU1 -
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✭✭✭FriedEggSandwich wrote: ».Strider_Roshin wrote: »Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »Um its two shields to chew through plus specced right you will be reapplying that shield. So I hit it once you reapply it and streak away. Sorc is easy mode plus they stack with the healing staff shield. I don't get the defense. Probably I am biased but I just see too many easy mode sorcs.
i used to think the same thing about shield stacking and such, but after playing a sorc, i have changed my mind.
dieing to 2-3 wrecking blow hits cause youre stuck cc'd on the ground or getting stun locked to death cause you cant switch bars makes it even more obvious that sorcs arent op.
shields go down quicker than you may think and if you keep pressure on the sorc he either has to spam the crap out of his shields or streak away from you. both cost magicka and if you keep the pressure up the sorc will have no stam and no magicka and be a duck in water.
1 wrecking blow on a sorc while he has no stam means that sorc cant get up and will be dead in seconds.
all these stories about 10v1 sorc and the sorc escaping absolutely means the attacking group was crap. all it takes is two decent nbs to ambush the crap out of him and he struggles just to apply shields.
WB spammers are so easy to kill though. Have your frag proc ready, dodge roll past them as they're winding up, hit them with your frag, and you can literally hard cast 2 frags before they can get up. Hit them with a mages fury then they're done :-)
lolwut idk if you've seen how fast people cc break in pvp. Avoid exaggeration to keep all sides on board. You just put people on the defensive otherwise and discussions get out of hand.
Yeah people can CC break pretty quick, but most of the time I'm pretty successful with doing two. There are exceptions though. For instance I see a lot of people state that as soon as they get hit by a WB, the person using WB on them can land 2 more before they can even do anything. Me personally, I CC break before even hitting the ground, and before they can land a following WB.1 -
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✭.Strider_Roshin wrote: »FriedEggSandwich wrote: ».Strider_Roshin wrote: »Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »Um its two shields to chew through plus specced right you will be reapplying that shield. So I hit it once you reapply it and streak away. Sorc is easy mode plus they stack with the healing staff shield. I don't get the defense. Probably I am biased but I just see too many easy mode sorcs.
i used to think the same thing about shield stacking and such, but after playing a sorc, i have changed my mind.
dieing to 2-3 wrecking blow hits cause youre stuck cc'd on the ground or getting stun locked to death cause you cant switch bars makes it even more obvious that sorcs arent op.
shields go down quicker than you may think and if you keep pressure on the sorc he either has to spam the crap out of his shields or streak away from you. both cost magicka and if you keep the pressure up the sorc will have no stam and no magicka and be a duck in water.
1 wrecking blow on a sorc while he has no stam means that sorc cant get up and will be dead in seconds.
all these stories about 10v1 sorc and the sorc escaping absolutely means the attacking group was crap. all it takes is two decent nbs to ambush the crap out of him and he struggles just to apply shields.
WB spammers are so easy to kill though. Have your frag proc ready, dodge roll past them as they're winding up, hit them with your frag, and you can literally hard cast 2 frags before they can get up. Hit them with a mages fury then they're done :-)
lolwut idk if you've seen how fast people cc break in pvp. Avoid exaggeration to keep all sides on board. You just put people on the defensive otherwise and discussions get out of hand.
Yeah people can CC break pretty quick, but most of the time I'm pretty successful with doing two. There are exceptions though. For instance I see a lot of people state that as soon as they get hit by a WB, the person using WB on them can land 2 more before they can even do anything. Me personally, I CC break before even hitting the ground, and before they can land a following WB.
Yeah I hate seeing people exaggerate to get a selfish point across, it muddies the waters and prevents rational discussions from happening because people are then too busy sniping back in defence. People also play for an hour at prime time in the heat of the 999+ ping and then come here to complain about the shoddy mechanics they notice.Edited by FriedEggSandwich on March 5, 2016 3:18PMPC | EU0 -
Jumper45✭✭✭FriedEggSandwich wrote: ».Strider_Roshin wrote: »FriedEggSandwich wrote: ».Strider_Roshin wrote: »Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »Um its two shields to chew through plus specced right you will be reapplying that shield. So I hit it once you reapply it and streak away. Sorc is easy mode plus they stack with the healing staff shield. I don't get the defense. Probably I am biased but I just see too many easy mode sorcs.
i used to think the same thing about shield stacking and such, but after playing a sorc, i have changed my mind.
dieing to 2-3 wrecking blow hits cause youre stuck cc'd on the ground or getting stun locked to death cause you cant switch bars makes it even more obvious that sorcs arent op.
shields go down quicker than you may think and if you keep pressure on the sorc he either has to spam the crap out of his shields or streak away from you. both cost magicka and if you keep the pressure up the sorc will have no stam and no magicka and be a duck in water.
1 wrecking blow on a sorc while he has no stam means that sorc cant get up and will be dead in seconds.
all these stories about 10v1 sorc and the sorc escaping absolutely means the attacking group was crap. all it takes is two decent nbs to ambush the crap out of him and he struggles just to apply shields.
WB spammers are so easy to kill though. Have your frag proc ready, dodge roll past them as they're winding up, hit them with your frag, and you can literally hard cast 2 frags before they can get up. Hit them with a mages fury then they're done :-)
lolwut idk if you've seen how fast people cc break in pvp. Avoid exaggeration to keep all sides on board. You just put people on the defensive otherwise and discussions get out of hand.
Yeah people can CC break pretty quick, but most of the time I'm pretty successful with doing two. There are exceptions though. For instance I see a lot of people state that as soon as they get hit by a WB, the person using WB on them can land 2 more before they can even do anything. Me personally, I CC break before even hitting the ground, and before they can land a following WB.
Yeah I hate seeing people exaggerate to get a selfish point across, it muddies the waters and prevents rational discussions from happening because people are then too busy sniping back in defence. People also play for an hour at prime time in the heat of the 999+ ping and then come here to complain about the shoddy mechanics they notice.
Landing 2 more is exaggerated. Playing as a templar healer ive been on the getting WB smack down end of the argument and can say assuming u even have stamina to break the WB ( which a lot of non stam users do not) they can def hit you with another while you are getting up. They dont need another WB at this point just any other weaves will finish you off unless youre shield stacked. Thus the WB lock down death. Sorcs get it a little easier imho because they have stacked shields to absorb some of the WBs so they have extra time to deal with the WB issue. You dont really need stamina to get around with bolt using magicka so you always have stamina for the breaks and if they land another shields take care of it and you just bolt away and continue the fight.
Sorc isnt weak at all even to novice players. Even at lower levels because of their high hp. stacking shields makes them very beefy and that just translates into later levels lower hp more magicka so the shields just scale further to keep them tanky. The caps issue and magicka lending them more power to shields is a problem. The best sorcs can fight up to 15minutes the worst can last up to 5m while the other classes may be less. DKs are a little better in this regard since they can be a little tanky as well. While NB can cloak they arnt really fighting while they are hiding etc so its less of an issue vs the other 2. Once you stack up to 40k magicka. stacking all 3 shields is just too powerful. One shield healing you one shield giving you magicka back ( assuming you are fighting the right kinds of people) and Harden ward is very tanky. All this while not really giving up any sort of major DPS like the other classes since pushing your shields higher just pushes your dps as well.
Sorc is just too versatile in every aspect while not having to go down any path other then dps. The other classes struggle with that so thats why you have the OP Sorc issue along with 3 skill bars. If any of the other classes tries to do the same they will have to give up one aspect somewhere be it DPS,Tankyness,Mobility, CC etc. Sorc can get most of that just on 1 bar. and having access to 2 more makes it worse imho.
Dont get me wrong i love the fact they are so versatile but normally if you saw that situation you would see a jack of all trades sort of thing. Expert of all master of none? Not master of all heh.
Edit: Even overload as an ultimate is very versatile in itself vs every other ultimate in the game. Being able to turn it off and on, getting an extra bar, not really a 1 and done shot so it cant really miss for example and does a ton of damage at higher end of 30k.Edited by Jumper45 on March 5, 2016 6:05PM“All right, I've been thinking, when life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade! Make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons! What am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager!
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Sorry I don't understand this comment, I didn't realize being a glass cannon was a mandatory play style for sorcs.Tome of Alteration Magic I - Reality is an Ancient Dwemer Construct: Everything You Need to Know About FPS
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✭✭✭✭✭Shield stacking could go, I'll settle for that. Imo I wouldn't mind seeing a buff to the non class specific shields if that were to occur.
Why Overload is not OP: unlike other classes, sorc buffs come in the form of toggles. Exception being Surge. The average sorc runs at least two toggles. With the additional bar, sorcs then have a total of 9 abilities. A nightblade, for example, can pull similar dps numbers with 1 or no toggles giving them 10 to 12 abilities. Overload in of itself is a decent ult. Combining the two seems to be right on in terms of balancing the class.
Sorcerers seem to be in a good solid spot imo, same with NBs, up coming DK buffs make me happy.
If anything everyone shouldbe screaming bloody murder over Templars being so bugged.Edited by Waffennacht on March 7, 2016 5:46AM0 -
is this a joke? you have the strongest shields ,best mobility, and can completely ignore regain ( to min max even more effectively) refilling your magica with overload. seriously.
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in the same gear my templars heal hits for 5,5k and crits for 9. buffed with entropy and cleansing ritual it crits for 12-13k.
my sorcs hardened ward shields for 10,5k. without the need to buff. the cost is also less.
shields cannot be oneshotted. Shields cannot be critted, i havent seen anyone hit me with an ability that does 10k damage uncritted. but if that were on my templar i would take 17k damage because of crit.
Sorcs: "shields are my ONLY deffense!" and one minute later "streak is my ONLY deffense!"
second later: "mines are my ONLY deffense!"
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phillyboy7897✭✭✭✭On live Sorc is strong and strong at the same time. 2nd only to stamblades
Next patch Sorc is OP and go to for FoTM players.
Posts like these are Pre-emtive b/c players of the class know it needs a nerf.V16 Magicka Templar only
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gamerguy757✭✭✭✭✭@phillyboy7897 I'm a Sorc I know it needs a nerf lol. I don't think Shields need one, but an increase in cost to Overload wouldn't be bad. I mean, I have a MagBlade that OBLITERATES in BB, and her Soul Harvest hits at 8k in PvP (lv21). And that move uses HALF the Ultimate that Overload uses. So I think a nerf for our Ultimate wouldn't be detrimental.0
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Strider_Roshin wrote: »Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »Um its two shields to chew through plus specced right you will be reapplying that shield. So I hit it once you reapply it and streak away. Sorc is easy mode plus they stack with the healing staff shield. I don't get the defense. Probably I am biased but I just see too many easy mode sorcs.
i used to think the same thing about shield stacking and such, but after playing a sorc, i have changed my mind.
dieing to 2-3 wrecking blow hits cause youre stuck cc'd on the ground or getting stun locked to death cause you cant switch bars makes it even more obvious that sorcs arent op.
shields go down quicker than you may think and if you keep pressure on the sorc he either has to spam the crap out of his shields or streak away from you. both cost magicka and if you keep the pressure up the sorc will have no stam and no magicka and be a duck in water.
1 wrecking blow on a sorc while he has no stam means that sorc cant get up and will be dead in seconds.
all these stories about 10v1 sorc and the sorc escaping absolutely means the attacking group was crap. all it takes is two decent nbs to ambush the crap out of him and he struggles just to apply shields.
WB spammers are so easy to kill though. Have your frag proc ready, dodge roll past them as they're winding up, hit them with your frag, and you can literally hard cast 2 frags before they can get up. Hit them with a mages fury then they're done :-)
and in the situation when you run into someone who actually knows how to use wb, this doesnt always work.
while i agree that wb can be countered relatively easy in most cases, there are most definitely situations where it cant.
if you have two guys throwing WB at you at once, and only have enough stam for 2-3 dodge rolls, you are forced to burn thru magicka with streak penalties. or say one of them sneaks up on you from behind in IC right after you just killed a group of adds, and you happen to be low on stam, if they land the first WB on you, youre pretty much done. I dont care how good you think you are.
I used WB as an example of a hard hitting skill that takes shields down with one hit, since most of the playerbase seems to think that shield stacking makes you invincible.1