We need to do something about Delve/Group Delve/Group Dungeon/Public Dungeon XP

Kammakazi · March 2016

It's been far too long that Imperial City and Cracked Wood Cave have been the fastest and most efficient way to grind XP.

Imperial City is great because of the increased XP gain (probably cause they're VR 16)
Cracked Wood Cave is great because of the high traffic of mobs and respawn times; they also have 3x less HP than IC mobs

But issues arise when you are in a low-populated faction like me. Daggerfall Covenant. We have only one server, whereas the other two have multiple. In addition, that one server is always being taken over by the opposing factions, making it near impossible to even do Cyrodiil daily quests or CWC. It just boggles my mind that the best XP areas in PvP.

We need experience in Delves, Group Delves, Group Dungeons, and Public Dungeons buffed or at least reverted to how it was before it was completed nerfed it 24 ft below the ground.

Why is it that every Public Dungeon in the game is affected by the XP nerf, except for Rkindaleft and Old Orsinium?

Make Group Dungeons give good XP so we incentivize players to group up with friends and do dungeons
Make Craglorn great again and remove the entire zone's XP nerf
Make Public Dungeons worth grinding again

Kammakazi · March 2016

Anybody?! Grinders where you at?!

Alabyn · March 2016

Random grouping for dungeons gets an XP bonus in the next update!

Kammakazi · March 2016

Altoholics where are you guys ;_;

ColoursYouHave · March 2016

I don't understand why they don't just create some sort of instanced "designated grinding area". They clearly want people to grind, yet they make it difficult for people to actually grind.

Bossdonut · March 2016

Just trick red and yellow into fighting each other and they'll go zerg each other on their own servers. If red is still in there right now they'll get bored by the weekend and leave.

WalkingLegacy · March 2016

Wrothgar scales and all new future zones will scale as well. So you have those areas to grind XP.

RAGUNAnoOne · March 2016

Agreed the PvPers get the best spots and PvE zones keep getting nerfed especially if they aren't DLC bound...

OGLezard · March 2016

PvE players complained about PvP ruining skills so ZoS wanted to teach them a lesson and make the best grind spots pvp only

/sarcasm

Kammakazi · March 2016

OGLezard wrote: »

PvE players complained about PvP ruining skills so ZoS wanted to teach them a lesson and make the best grind spots pvp only /sarcasm

Savage

attackjet · March 2016

Makes no sense as to why grinding gets you most xp, questing is second and dungeons are last.

IMO it should be quests give you most xp, then dungeons and then grinding.

But don't just nerf all of it, just buff quests and dungeons.

And make quests more interactive. A lot of the quests are just tedious, some more quests with friendly NPCs fighting by your side would be great.

None of the quests are really memorable besides the god of schemes quest.

Thorn416 · March 2016

Bossdonut wrote: »

Just trick red and yellow into fighting each other and they'll go zerg each other on their own servers. If red is still in there right now they'll get bored by the weekend and leave.

On console, it doesn't work like that most times unfortunately, yellow and red have multiple grinding servers to themselves, but DC is the underdog with way less people so they constantly fight us on the one server our lower level guys try to level up in.

It sucks but I dont see a way to fix it really. I guess a pvp free instance of cyrodiil would do it but the people benefitting from the current situation are against it

Kammakazi · March 2016

It's pure BS. I guess rolling DC is the best way to gimp yourself in the long run.

AOECAPS · March 2016

That's what happens when mlg pro players need to pvp they go gank in CWC with 5 other people to kill 1/2 guys or Zerg down a duo grinding in the sewers

DRXHarbinger · March 2016

Thorn416 wrote: »

Bossdonut wrote: »

Just trick red and yellow into fighting each other and they'll go zerg each other on their own servers. If red is still in there right now they'll get bored by the weekend and leave.

On console, it doesn't work like that most times unfortunately, yellow and red have multiple grinding servers to themselves, but DC is the underdog with way less people so they constantly fight us on the one server our lower level guys try to level up in.

It sucks but I dont see a way to fix it really. I guess a pvp free instance of cyrodiil would do it but the people benefitting from the current situation are against it

Lol so true. But even our ad buff server is getting overrun with reds and the elite blues. Personally I use the DC one but stay in the ad zones and it's 99% of the time empty. Even the tooth grind spots are empty.

Mettaricana · March 2016

I was gonna be a altaholic but at this point if I do main story and cadwell one more time I'm gonna take my console outside and burn it

Vaoh · March 2016

I recently decided I want to grind my V3 to V16. Problem is on PS4 NA all of the PvP grind spots (IC or Cracked Wood Cave) are full of gankers on EVERY server. I have chosen to grind in Wrothgar for now but its not nearly as good.

Some PvP players can only feel good by ganking PvE players. They get salty when killed as well. Then again, it's expected when incentive for this behavior like easy no risk Tel Var Stones are rewarded.

Tandor · March 2016

Kammakazi wrote: »

Altoholics where are you guys ;_;

Still happily leveling up through PvE questing without a thought to "grinding"

!

Brrrofski · March 2016

Once you get to vet there are way better and easier grind spots. Depending on faction, there are good spots for some levels pre vet.

IC xp is good, but the and interruptions make it well slower.

I don't have any figures as I'm on console, but I've grinded 3 toons to v16 by so have tried a lot of methods.

What level are you? I'm DC too so could suggest some spots via pm.

KingYogi415 · March 2016

Im sure these will be gimped with TG to promote people to buy the new OP grind spot.

AOECAPS · March 2016

Last night there were 3 AD outside if the DC entrance up too lmao real good players dragon leap and all the little PVErs just left. Had to switch toons and kill them as I was trying to grind levels

Xendyn · March 2016

Personally, I don't really grind. When I did do some it was back when Craglorn had the awesome group grinds: Burial, Tower, Anomaly, the UC Boss grind.
Those were actually kind of fun to get together with a group and do. Otherwise, it puts me to sleep.

I nominate Craglorn to be the grind zone. Put it back to what it was xp wise and let folks do their thing.
Not like it's serving any other purpose right now.

redspecter23 · March 2016

Unnecessary nerfs are unnecessary. I agree with the OP 100%. ZoS revert the xp nerfs in Craglorn or at least bring it up to competitive. The public dungeon/delve penalty is also nonsensical.

Oldmanlawlor · March 2016

Thorn416 wrote: »

Bossdonut wrote: »

Just trick red and yellow into fighting each other and they'll go zerg each other on their own servers. If red is still in there right now they'll get bored by the weekend and leave.

On console, it doesn't work like that most times unfortunately, yellow and red have multiple grinding servers to themselves, but DC is the underdog with way less people so they constantly fight us on the one server our lower level guys try to level up in.

It sucks but I dont see a way to fix it really. I guess a pvp free instance of cyrodiil would do it but the people benefitting from the current situation are against it

Daggerfall have a massive amount of players. I play on Xbox eu and sometimes Glenumbra lags due to the sheer volume of players. I have two blue and 4 yellow characters, I assure you there are way more blue than yellow.

I don't have a red because *** reds. On Xbox eu you can almost be guaranteed that if you kill a red you WILL get an invite to an Xbox lie party where they wish cancer on you among a massive list of other horrible insults. I know it's not all reds, but the bad ones have spoiled it for the bunch.

mtwiggz · March 2016

If you want the best grind spots in the game you have to compete for them. I enjoy the idea that the best grind spots in the game are in PvP zones. You want to grind there? Kill the people that are grinding and take the XP. It's simple.

Grinding from level 1 to level 25 or so in PvE is quite easy and shouldn't take you more than a few hours. Then have at the PvP zones.

In recent times a friend and I were leveling in the sewers. We were both level 30 something. We'd encounter gankers time and again, yet all you have to do is kill them and move on with your XP grind. Of course occasionally we'd get killed and just walk our jolly selves back to the grind spot and continue.

It's easy to make 1m XP/hr in the sewers with a decent duo and no one around. When the gankers do come out to play the XP can drop, but in most cases we still hover over 750k/hr which is still better than most, if not all, places.

Still...

WTB Instanced Grind Spots, pst

jzholloway · March 2016

Last time I checked Old Orsinium (Wrothgar) is one of the top places to grind. If you have an xp potion, Plus and are married and run together, over 1 million xp an hour - on top of that, you will get tons of stuff to break down for improvement mats which in turn you can keep or sell. The other public dungeon in Wrothgar is okay as well, but you wont get as many drops.

If you are stuck on IC - run Temple District, nets pretty well as well (about a Vet level an hour with just plus) and even if you get ganked, you can start at release - plus you get monster teeth to sell or use. If you are worried about Tel Var, then you probably shouldn't be grinding, and vice versa.

Messy1 · March 2016

I agree with the OP. Craglorn in particular has become extremely irrelevant in the game because it was totally dumbed down.

Morozov · March 2016

give players a way to get to endgame faster? let them play the game longer thus decreasing the overall amount of money ZOS can get from sub fees or EXP scrolls in the crown store?!?

oH THE INSANITy!! Thou hast given people the means to destroy the very fabric of the MMO-space-time continuum!

Morozov · March 2016

Messy1 wrote: »

I agree with the OP. Craglorn in particular has become extremely irrelevant in the game because it was totally dumbed down.

and yes, craiglorn is a joke atm

NeillMcAttack · March 2016

PS4 EU. Do I hear blues claiming they don't have a buff server???!! Maybe that is because they would rather lag out Azura's than try claim another server. Seriously, Chillrend currently has a blue emporer, And the blues on Haderus are so terrible its actually boring fighting them back into their spawn. Maybe if they knew what a trebauchet was we wouldn't be having this conversation.

More on topic though, I find the Cyrodiil Dailies to be the best means of levelling up. I know people don't like them because of the possibility of getting killed but that, for me, is the reason these spots SHOULD be the best for grinding. Having areas like bruma and cropsford where players can learn how to PvP while getting great exp keeps the monotony of grinding to a minimum. Not to mention that enemy players give great exp.

Yusuf · March 2016

attackjet wrote: »

Makes no sense as to why grinding gets you most xp, questing is second and dungeons are last.

IMO it should be quests give you most xp, then dungeons and then grinding.

But don't just nerf all of it, just buff quests and dungeons.

And make quests more interactive. A lot of the quests are just tedious, some more quests with friendly NPCs fighting by your side would be great.

None of the quests are really memorable besides the god of schemes quest.

I got 3 maxed out characters and 2 veteran characters, if i have to start questing again i'm gonna kill somebody!

Also Craglorn's xp should be greatly buffed so that the zone can get repopulated, i mean seriously, the "adventure zone" is even emptier than the starter islands.