Starting it again 「Ambush」

MaxwellC · February 2016

@davey1107
You need to stop assuming nightblades are squishy because they are far from it. Being squishy has NOTHING to do with what class you play because if it did then against melee weapons Nightblades would be tanky as they have a passive that increases physical resistance. Being squishy is the result of players who need to L2P because they thought going full divines medium would make them the best but then get two hit.

You don't know any counters thats why you refrain from making any statement you try to come off as an knowledgeable player when you're most likely horrible at PvP (Sorry but I call it like I see it). There's plenty of videos of me 1 v x a NB but that's if they don't spambush me down because if they do I cannot move and that's a fact.

PTS wise things hadn't change drastically you are still locked in.

When you fight 2 NBs and they ambush you don't please tell me how'd you would accomplish any movement unless you're a NB because you can just use fear but then they'd resume unless you fear into cloak.

This game has already become those with the most numbers win and I'm tired of seeing that.

Strider_Roshin · February 2016

I love Nightblades that spam ambush, they're the easiest people to out DPS :-)

Junkogen · February 2016

You can dodge it in the next patch.

#stopthenerfs

leepalmer95 · February 2016

davey1107 wrote: »

All of the classes have spammable attacks. And all spam attacks have counters. If you're running into Ambush spammers, know the counters. You will rock them...Nightblades are squishy.

Do I know the counters? Yes. Will I tell you? No. Because you had a bad attitude and started mouthing off about nerfs rather than asking how you could become a better player.

Also, try not to stand around in the open. Nord necks look royally sliceable in the right light.

Ha ha...but in all seriousness...it's a game...lighten up. If you get surprised by two players you're probably going to struggle. Respawn and laugh it off.

How exactly are nb's squishy?

MaxwellC · February 2016

Junkogen wrote: »

You can dodge it in the next patch.

#stopthenerfs

Not asking the nerf you clearly didn't read what I had said. I hadn't seen the PTS notes in a while as it didn't change much but I can confirm I do see teleport strike and it's morphs are dodgeable next patch so that's wonderful news; still doesn't stop you from getting locked in as I tested yesterday against two of my friends who both ambush spammed me as I asked.

cschwingeb14_ESO · February 2016

The change in gap closers to a snare won't affect Ambush much. Ambush still has a 1s immobilize effect that has no CC immunity (immobilize of any kind has no CC immunity). So unless you are under the effect of retreating/shuffle, it's still going to lock you in place

LegacyDM · February 2016

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

So sick and tired of easy street ambush spamming NBs. People say that ambush doesn't need a minimum cast range when it certainly does. If you get stunned locked because of two NBs spamming ambush on you then good luck. I literally cannot deal with a 1 v x when there are two Ambush spamming NBs lurking.[/b]

Your ranting on the forums about a skill because it doesn't allow you to 1vx? Waaaaa can't 1vx.

We already beat this topic to a dead horse in another post. How many times are you going to necro this?

As others have pointed out its not the minimum range that is the problem. Now minimum range is a potential mitigation but not a fix. It's the gap closer mechanic of perm immobilization due to timing synchronization of the game. They are fixing it in the next patch by using a snare.

MaxwellC · February 2016

@joshdm2001_ESO
You should read my posts because I clearly talk about the PTS changes but ok. You fail to realize that the snare is in place it use to be 100% but now is 60% as stated when you're getting hit by two NBs spamming ambush it still brings you to a stun lock feel so please mate reading is fundamental not trying to sound rude but I wanted to respond to your tone of word choice.

LegacyDM · February 2016

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

@joshdm2001_ESO
You should read my posts because I clearly talk about the PTS changes but ok. You fail to realize that the snare is in place it use to be 100% but now is 60% as stated when you're getting hit by two NBs spamming ambush it still brings you to a stun lock feel so please mate reading is fundamental not trying to sound rude but I wanted to respond to your tone of word choice.

Sigh. Nowhere in your OP do you mention the words PTS. I've read through the whole thread and other people tell you that it has changed in PTS. You haven't even tested it for yourself in PTS, yet you come in here throwing a tantrum calling for nerf because you got owned in a 1vx situation.

Now if you want to complain about not being able to 1vx lets have that conservation.

Sounds like a L2P issue in a 1vx scenario verse 2 NB. Dodge roll? Block? Go tank build? Counter cc? Counter attackh? Caltrops? Pop an aoe ultimate to give breathing room? I don't know. I 1vx people just fine. What's your build maybe we can help.

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

@Didgerion
Didn't test it on PTS since I haven't wasted my time fighting a NB instead I put my time into testing my DK.
Just like Leepalmer95 said there still needs a restriction to minimum cast range, it's not like it's nerfing you to the ground with a damage change.

MaxwellC · February 2016

@joshdm2001_ESO
Lol ok go ahead an troll mate please leave this thread now.

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

Junkogen wrote: »

You can dodge it in the next patch.

#stopthenerfs

Not asking the nerf you clearly didn't read what I had said. I hadn't seen the PTS notes in a while as it didn't change much but I can confirm I do see teleport strike and it's morphs are dodgeable next patch so that's wonderful news; still doesn't stop you from getting locked in as I tested yesterday against two of my friends who both ambush spammed me as I asked.

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

@davey1107

PTS wise things hadn't change drastically you are still locked in.

When you fight 2 NBs and they ambush you don't please tell me how'd you would accomplish any movement unless you're a NB because you can just use fear but then they'd resume unless you fear into cloak.

Reading is fundamental I suggest you keep reading instead of lying

PTS you can dodge roll it but it doesn't stop you from getting feared in a 1 v x scenario while they resume spambush techniques I've tested that too. I use shuffle along with my dodge roll timings maybe you just need to stop lying and do some actual testing yourself. Funny you mention caltrops not sure how those stop you from getting spambush'd on a skill that is instant and is meant to gap close you like wha lol. You even mentioned a tank build LOL not sure who runs tank in PvP but quite sure everyone knows the current meta is all about highest DPS rather than holding out which most tanks cannot. A Mag DK can't really do anything too, you can throw up eruption, with choking talons/fossilize but as long as it's they're both spamming you down with hard CCs like fear then it's GG. I don't think you've played PTS yet.

My testing was done by two mates who I asked to spambush me to see if I will still get locked in; although it isn't as bad as the current version on PC/Console it's still not a huge improvement where I'd clap my hands thanking ZOS. Only way to actually counter this is to pretty much hard cc consistently and out-last the ambush or if you have a ultimate like take flight.

Also A+ for that condescending word choice love how you feel that you're competent when you suggest a tank build in PvP lol.

Solariken · February 2016

Leandor wrote: »

Still can't understand how in all hells some people think that a minimum cast range will change jack *** about spambush. One step backwards and you're out of restricted range for all gap closers (except toppling charge of course, that one requires you to travel to the other end of cyrodiil).

Stop asking for min range, start asking for 1sec immunity to gap closer stun after being hit by one.

Oh and @leepalmer95 all gap closers have the immobilize functionality. Templar charge even for oneself.

Haha, your last sentence made me lol.

Ampnode · February 2016

Lucky28 wrote: »

Well. i don't think Ambush needs a minimum range because i think that freakin' root/silence nonsense needs to be gone on all gap closers, period.

why don't we focus on that?.

But the snares make it so the gap closers can hit responsively! - According to ZOS as to why they have them in the first place. Y'know, I don't see why they need to land 100% of the time. They're just gap closers. Gets you to the target quicker, that's it.

LegacyDM · February 2016

Dude just stop. your whole premise is like a house of cards. Your problem isn't with min range. Your problem is the feeling of stun lock in a 1vx situation. News flash, unless your built as a tank or balance survivability with damage, min max isn't going to work in a 1vx scenario. Stop crying over losing a 1vx scenario and accept that your not good enough to take on multiple people or your build isn't made for 1vx. Stop promoting the idea that ZOS should balance around 1vx.

Leandor · February 2016

Solariken wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

Still can't understand how in all hells some people think that a minimum cast range will change jack *** about spambush. One step backwards and you're out of restricted range for all gap closers (except toppling charge of course, that one requires you to travel to the other end of cyrodiil).

Stop asking for min range, start asking for 1sec immunity to gap closer stun after being hit by one.

Oh and @leepalmer95 all gap closers have the immobilize functionality. Templar charge even for oneself.

Haha, your last sentence made me lol.

Cheers, mate. It's a point that needs to be repeated every possibility

I had lots of fun levelling a templar and playing him, but that specific bug made me convert him into a health/stamina battery

MaxwellC · February 2016

@joshdm2001_ESO
So you write off your lie by attacking me extremely cute; you're welcome to look at my videos on XboxGameDVR or Youtube of me 1vXing without a tank setup because it's all about highest DPS. If I 2 hit you and then work on you other two buddies well nuff said lol.

I promote the Ideology that ZOS should balance where NUMBERS doesn't mean you win rather SKILL does; I'm sorry you're a carebear who needs the numbers to win a 1vX scenario.