just spent 500k AP for nothing. Thanks ZOS

CJohnson81 · February 2016

starkerealm wrote: »

Oldmanlawlor wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Anzriel wrote: »

What they're telling you is you're the equivalent to the guy who spilled coffee on himself in the US and sued the company for not telling him it's hot.

To be fair: the real McDonalds hot coffee case was an actual injury suit where there were significant medical from the burns.

This is more the equivalent of that guy who fed his life savings into a raffle for a 360. Though, I'll admit, I don't remember all the details from that bit of idiocy.

Actually, the woman put the cup of coffee between her knees while she was sitting down on a car and she ended up squeezing the cup. This was confirmed by her grandchild who was with her.

The judge awarded the woman one day of Mc Donald's profits from coffee.

Thus proving that ads from GTA 3's radio stations were accurate. "this is America, and here you can sue anyone for anything. And you'll probably win".

Not quite. While the case became a poster child for frivolous lawsuits, McDonalds was serving the coffee at, literally, unsafe temperatures. Corporate was mandating coffee being served at 180F, which could result in third degree burns within seven seconds of contact. Which is what happened. She stopped the car, removed the lid to add cream, and the resulting spill resulted in $200k worth of medical bills.

Not, "oh, hey, this is my ticket to riches." Literally, "this cup of coffee cost me $200k." As I recall, the jury assigned 20% liability to her, for opening the cup. But, the big thing was that McDonalds was serving this stuff at temperatures that CA food code prohibited as unsafe, and had a decade of previous burn cases that hadn't gotten media attention, which came up in discovery.

You'll still see the case brought up pretty frequently in intro tort law classes, as a reminder that, "yeah, no, cases that look frivolous aren't always." This was a case where there was a real, serious, tort, and corporate blew her off, when they asked them to cover the medical expenses. Not someone digging for gold.

Yeah, I was about to dive into this. That woman almost died from her injuries. Have you seen the pics? They're like something you'd see on ogrish back in the day.

Kammakazi · February 2016

Shelgon wrote: »

Yep leme buy something that I have no clue as to what will be inside, and let me not ask anyone until after I spent 500k on them, and then leme ask for a refund for my own carelessness.

I want you to honestly tell me that doesn't sound stupid.

NerfPlease · February 2016

again

you go to the shop and buying the pack of chocolates with nuts, as they said
but when you open them at home there is no nuts! only chocolate with a stink of she-e-e-e-t
you will EAT it?

bikerangelo · February 2016

NerfPlease wrote: »

again

you go to the shop and buying the pack of chocolates with nuts, as they said
but when you open them at home there is no nuts! only chocolate with a stink of she-e-e-e-t
you will EAT it?

The rest of us recognized the RNG wrapper, this is just your way of learning the hard way.

Xendyn · February 2016

NerfPlease wrote: »

again

you go to the shop and buying the pack of chocolates with nuts, as they said
but when you open them at home there is no nuts! only chocolate with a stink of she-e-e-e-t
you will EAT it?

Bad example. You're talking about a defective product. The AP bags aren't defective, you just couldn't be bothered to find out how they worked first.

PEBCAK

NerfPlease · February 2016

Xendyn wrote: »

NerfPlease wrote: »

again

you go to the shop and buying the pack of chocolates with nuts, as they said
but when you open them at home there is no nuts! only chocolate with a stink of she-e-e-e-t
you will EAT it?

Bad example. You're talking about a defective product. The AP bags aren't defective, you just couldn't be bothered to find out how they worked first.

PEBCAK

so if i bought the same chocolate before, but from different vendor - all was okay and nust was inside
and the same with 4 more vendors located on the same square

but

i still need do not trust to another vendor, last one i didnt check before?

Acsvf · February 2016

NerfPlease wrote: »

Xendyn wrote: »

NerfPlease wrote: »

again

you go to the shop and buying the pack of chocolates with nuts, as they said
but when you open them at home there is no nuts! only chocolate with a stink of she-e-e-e-t
you will EAT it?

Bad example. You're talking about a defective product. The AP bags aren't defective, you just couldn't be bothered to find out how they worked first.

PEBCAK

so if i bought the same chocolate before, but from different vendor - all was okay and nust was inside
and the same with 4 more vendors located on the same square

but

i still need do not trust to another vendor, last one i didnt check before?

I understood your last post but I can't say the same about this one.

WalkingLegacy · February 2016

What COULD be in the bags and what possibly isn't in the bags should definitely be more clear on the bags tooltip.

NerfPlease · February 2016

Acsvf wrote: »

NerfPlease wrote: »

Xendyn wrote: »

NerfPlease wrote: »

again

you go to the shop and buying the pack of chocolates with nuts, as they said
but when you open them at home there is no nuts! only chocolate with a stink of she-e-e-e-t
you will EAT it?

Bad example. You're talking about a defective product. The AP bags aren't defective, you just couldn't be bothered to find out how they worked first.

PEBCAK

so if i bought the same chocolate before, but from different vendor - all was okay and nust was inside
and the same with 4 more vendors located on the same square

but

i still need do not trust to another vendor, last one i didnt check before?

I understood your last post but I can't say the same about this one.

i mean all other PVP AP vendors have good bags with sets
only Magus have useless bags with staves

but also usefull with jewerly

Scamandros · February 2016

Aaages back I blew 1.2 mil AP searching for non existant archmage rings. Always worth researching before diving in

Oldmanlawlor · February 2016

NerfPlease wrote: »

Oldmanlawlor wrote: »

No one from ZOS made you buy the staffs.

You chose to and you bought them, kid.

The age of entitlement is real.

you go to the shop and buying the pack of chocolates with nuts, as they said

but when you open them at home there is no nuts! only chocolate with a stink of she-e-e-e-t

you will EAT it?

@Oldmanlawlor

What planet are you from?

WillhelmBlack · February 2016

You've made my day, sir. Excellent work!

Oldmanlawlor · February 2016

starkerealm wrote: »

Oldmanlawlor wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Anzriel wrote: »

What they're telling you is you're the equivalent to the guy who spilled coffee on himself in the US and sued the company for not telling him it's hot.

To be fair: the real McDonalds hot coffee case was an actual injury suit where there were significant medical from the burns.

This is more the equivalent of that guy who fed his life savings into a raffle for a 360. Though, I'll admit, I don't remember all the details from that bit of idiocy.

Actually, the woman put the cup of coffee between her knees while she was sitting down on a car and she ended up squeezing the cup. This was confirmed by her grandchild who was with her.

The judge awarded the woman one day of Mc Donald's profits from coffee.

Thus proving that ads from GTA 3's radio stations were accurate. "this is America, and here you can sue anyone for anything. And you'll probably win".

Not quite. While the case became a poster child for frivolous lawsuits, McDonalds was serving the coffee at, literally, unsafe temperatures. Corporate was mandating coffee being served at 180F, which could result in third degree burns within seven seconds of contact. Which is what happened. She stopped the car, removed the lid to add cream, and the resulting spill resulted in $200k worth of medical bills.

Not, "oh, hey, this is my ticket to riches." Literally, "this cup of coffee cost me $200k." As I recall, the jury assigned 20% liability to her, for opening the cup. But, the big thing was that McDonalds was serving this stuff at temperatures that CA food code prohibited as unsafe, and had a decade of previous burn cases that hadn't gotten media attention, which came up in discovery.

You'll still see the case brought up pretty frequently in intro tort law classes, as a reminder that, "yeah, no, cases that look frivolous aren't always." This was a case where there was a real, serious, tort, and corporate blew her off, when they asked them to cover the medical expenses. Not someone digging for gold.

I never said she was specifically looking for money. I am simply saying that it was her own fault. Placing a paper cup between your knees and trying to hold it is stupid. I don't have the word to describe how stupid. It was her own fault pure and simple. Hot coffee is called hot coffee for a reason; Because it's hot. My niece is three and she can tell when her cup of tea is too hot, and she leaves it until it's not.

cavakthestampede · February 2016

starkerealm wrote: »

Oldmanlawlor wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Anzriel wrote: »

What they're telling you is you're the equivalent to the guy who spilled coffee on himself in the US and sued the company for not telling him it's hot.

To be fair: the real McDonalds hot coffee case was an actual injury suit where there were significant medical from the burns.

This is more the equivalent of that guy who fed his life savings into a raffle for a 360. Though, I'll admit, I don't remember all the details from that bit of idiocy.

Actually, the woman put the cup of coffee between her knees while she was sitting down on a car and she ended up squeezing the cup. This was confirmed by her grandchild who was with her.

The judge awarded the woman one day of Mc Donald's profits from coffee.

Thus proving that ads from GTA 3's radio stations were accurate. "this is America, and here you can sue anyone for anything. And you'll probably win".

Not quite. While the case became a poster child for frivolous lawsuits, McDonalds was serving the coffee at, literally, unsafe temperatures. Corporate was mandating coffee being served at 180F, which could result in third degree burns within seven seconds of contact. Which is what happened. She stopped the car, removed the lid to add cream, and the resulting spill resulted in $200k worth of medical bills.

Not, "oh, hey, this is my ticket to riches." Literally, "this cup of coffee cost me $200k." As I recall, the jury assigned 20% liability to her, for opening the cup. But, the big thing was that McDonalds was serving this stuff at temperatures that CA food code prohibited as unsafe, and had a decade of previous burn cases that hadn't gotten media attention, which came up in discovery.

You'll still see the case brought up pretty frequently in intro tort law classes, as a reminder that, "yeah, no, cases that look frivolous aren't always." This was a case where there was a real, serious, tort, and corporate blew her off, when they asked them to cover the medical expenses. Not someone digging for gold.

Ya, this. It's a story I read about in a college media class. McDonald's played it up that way on purpose. The woman needed skin grafts.

McDonald's used a brewing method that rapid brewed the coffee using a pressure system...the coffee was very probably hotter than 180 degrees. The method turned out to be illegal for employee and consumer safety reasons.

For the OP...ESO doesn't have the best player communication, and I am frequently surprised by its itemization choices. While I personally would make sure my AP was going toward something I wanted, I am not surprised that OP was unfamiliar with the antiquated system of rando gear bags with mostly trash.

Refuse2GrowUp · February 2016

shugg wrote: »

I heard u get the staff if u buy a bag after u spent 500k ap

Got my first super set staff at 1.2 million AP worth of vendor bags. Hey OP, you should keep spending...it will drop for you soon buddy. Don't give up~

Seido_Tensei_ · February 2016

Anzriel wrote: »

NerfPlease wrote: »

Shelgon wrote: »

Yep leme buy something that I have no clue as to what will be inside, and let me not ask anyone until after I spent 500k on them, and then leme ask for a refund for my own carelessness.

I want you to honestly tell me that doesn't sound stupid.

you think the game shouldnt warn you about things like this?

or this stupid itemization is normal for TESO?

What they're telling you is you're the equivalent to the guy who spilled coffee on himself in the US and sued the company for not telling him it's hot. A label would have been nice, but in the end yes, I feel you should have looked things up or asked before spending 500k AP on something. I doubt they'd be willing to give you a refund in all honesty.

On another note I would save up AP for the next patch. Monster helms/shoulders will be randomly purchasable for AP as well in TG.

@Anzriel Just FYI, that wasn't a frivolous lawsuit. People always bring it up, but the lady who got burned was right to sue. The coffee was some ungodly temperature that didn't make sense to hand a person. It was her own stupidity that got her burned (put the cup between her legs) but how badly she got burned was a product of McDonald's not giving a damn and wanting to make coffee more quickly.

This situation here is just....sad

DaveMoeDee · February 2016

The correct object of the OP's annoyance should be himself. Don't take part in a RNG until you know the odds of getting a decent return. Even if you got a set staff, you have no idea whether it would be a set you have any interest in using.

Not that I have any idea what is in those bags. I've never had near enough AP to buy something interesting.

NerfPlease · February 2016

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

shugg wrote: »

I heard u get the staff if u buy a bag after u spent 500k ap

Got my first super set staff at 1.2 million AP worth of vendor bags. Hey OP, you should keep spending...it will drop for you soon buddy. Don't give up~

Refuse2GrowUp

EölMPK · February 2016

Whats the point here? Bad luck or bad system to a pvp player get gear? Oo

templesus · February 2016

The question here is, why would op buy all the bags at once vs buying a couple and opening them to see what's inside?

EölMPK · February 2016

templesus wrote: »

The question here is, why would op buy all the bags at once vs buying a couple and opening them to see what's inside?

+1

idk · February 2016

NerfPlease wrote: »

Shelgon wrote: »

Yep leme buy something that I have no clue as to what will be inside, and let me not ask anyone until after I spent 500k on them, and then leme ask for a refund for my own carelessness.

I want you to honestly tell me that doesn't sound stupid.

you think the game shouldnt warn you about things like this?

or this stupid itemization is normal for TESO?

Your guild mates knew. I've always checked forfore buying. Otherwise it's a dice roll that's likely to be a loss. Never blindly buy a bag of random gear is what I'd suggest.

starkerealm · February 2016

Oldmanlawlor wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Oldmanlawlor wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Anzriel wrote: »

What they're telling you is you're the equivalent to the guy who spilled coffee on himself in the US and sued the company for not telling him it's hot.

To be fair: the real McDonalds hot coffee case was an actual injury suit where there were significant medical from the burns.

This is more the equivalent of that guy who fed his life savings into a raffle for a 360. Though, I'll admit, I don't remember all the details from that bit of idiocy.

Actually, the woman put the cup of coffee between her knees while she was sitting down on a car and she ended up squeezing the cup. This was confirmed by her grandchild who was with her.

The judge awarded the woman one day of Mc Donald's profits from coffee.

Thus proving that ads from GTA 3's radio stations were accurate. "this is America, and here you can sue anyone for anything. And you'll probably win".

Not quite. While the case became a poster child for frivolous lawsuits, McDonalds was serving the coffee at, literally, unsafe temperatures. Corporate was mandating coffee being served at 180F, which could result in third degree burns within seven seconds of contact. Which is what happened. She stopped the car, removed the lid to add cream, and the resulting spill resulted in $200k worth of medical bills.

Not, "oh, hey, this is my ticket to riches." Literally, "this cup of coffee cost me $200k." As I recall, the jury assigned 20% liability to her, for opening the cup. But, the big thing was that McDonalds was serving this stuff at temperatures that CA food code prohibited as unsafe, and had a decade of previous burn cases that hadn't gotten media attention, which came up in discovery.

You'll still see the case brought up pretty frequently in intro tort law classes, as a reminder that, "yeah, no, cases that look frivolous aren't always." This was a case where there was a real, serious, tort, and corporate blew her off, when they asked them to cover the medical expenses. Not someone digging for gold.

I never said she was specifically looking for money. I am simply saying that it was her own fault. Placing a paper cup between your knees and trying to hold it is stupid. I don't have the word to describe how stupid. It was her own fault pure and simple. Hot coffee is called hot coffee for a reason; Because it's hot. My niece is three and she can tell when her cup of tea is too hot, and she leaves it until it's not.

And if you handed your niece a cup of tea that was over 180 degrees F, you'd be facing criminal charges, for at least child endangerment, and that's only if she didn't spill it.

Again, the issue wasn't that a woman spilled coffee on herself. It was that McDonnalds was selling a product that violated state law.

Wreuntzylla · February 2016

Oldmanlawlor wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Oldmanlawlor wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Anzriel wrote: »

What they're telling you is you're the equivalent to the guy who spilled coffee on himself in the US and sued the company for not telling him it's hot.

To be fair: the real McDonalds hot coffee case was an actual injury suit where there were significant medical from the burns.

This is more the equivalent of that guy who fed his life savings into a raffle for a 360. Though, I'll admit, I don't remember all the details from that bit of idiocy.

Actually, the woman put the cup of coffee between her knees while she was sitting down on a car and she ended up squeezing the cup. This was confirmed by her grandchild who was with her.

The judge awarded the woman one day of Mc Donald's profits from coffee.

Thus proving that ads from GTA 3's radio stations were accurate. "this is America, and here you can sue anyone for anything. And you'll probably win".

Not quite. While the case became a poster child for frivolous lawsuits, McDonalds was serving the coffee at, literally, unsafe temperatures. Corporate was mandating coffee being served at 180F, which could result in third degree burns within seven seconds of contact. Which is what happened. She stopped the car, removed the lid to add cream, and the resulting spill resulted in $200k worth of medical bills.

Not, "oh, hey, this is my ticket to riches." Literally, "this cup of coffee cost me $200k." As I recall, the jury assigned 20% liability to her, for opening the cup. But, the big thing was that McDonalds was serving this stuff at temperatures that CA food code prohibited as unsafe, and had a decade of previous burn cases that hadn't gotten media attention, which came up in discovery.

You'll still see the case brought up pretty frequently in intro tort law classes, as a reminder that, "yeah, no, cases that look frivolous aren't always." This was a case where there was a real, serious, tort, and corporate blew her off, when they asked them to cover the medical expenses. Not someone digging for gold.

I never said she was specifically looking for money. I am simply saying that it was her own fault. Placing a paper cup between your knees and trying to hold it is stupid. I don't have the word to describe how stupid. It was her own fault pure and simple. Hot coffee is called hot coffee for a reason; Because it's hot. My niece is three and she can tell when her cup of tea is too hot, and she leaves it until it's not.

Your reply is still inane. People make choices every day based on risk levels. Nobody buying a cup of coffee expects that if they spill it on themselves that they will end up with third degree burns with blisters. It's like taking a bottle rocket and filling it with gunpowder to make a bigger explosion in the sky, then blaming the user when he botched the launch and blew off his hand.

cavakthestampede wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Oldmanlawlor wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Anzriel wrote: »

What they're telling you is you're the equivalent to the guy who spilled coffee on himself in the US and sued the company for not telling him it's hot.

To be fair: the real McDonalds hot coffee case was an actual injury suit where there were significant medical from the burns.

This is more the equivalent of that guy who fed his life savings into a raffle for a 360. Though, I'll admit, I don't remember all the details from that bit of idiocy.

Actually, the woman put the cup of coffee between her knees while she was sitting down on a car and she ended up squeezing the cup. This was confirmed by her grandchild who was with her.

The judge awarded the woman one day of Mc Donald's profits from coffee.

Thus proving that ads from GTA 3's radio stations were accurate. "this is America, and here you can sue anyone for anything. And you'll probably win".

Not quite. While the case became a poster child for frivolous lawsuits, McDonalds was serving the coffee at, literally, unsafe temperatures. Corporate was mandating coffee being served at 180F, which could result in third degree burns within seven seconds of contact. Which is what happened. She stopped the car, removed the lid to add cream, and the resulting spill resulted in $200k worth of medical bills.

Not, "oh, hey, this is my ticket to riches." Literally, "this cup of coffee cost me $200k." As I recall, the jury assigned 20% liability to her, for opening the cup. But, the big thing was that McDonalds was serving this stuff at temperatures that CA food code prohibited as unsafe, and had a decade of previous burn cases that hadn't gotten media attention, which came up in discovery.

You'll still see the case brought up pretty frequently in intro tort law classes, as a reminder that, "yeah, no, cases that look frivolous aren't always." This was a case where there was a real, serious, tort, and corporate blew her off, when they asked them to cover the medical expenses. Not someone digging for gold.

Ya, this. It's a story I read about in a college media class. McDonald's played it up that way on purpose. The woman needed skin grafts.

McDonald's used a brewing method that rapid brewed the coffee using a pressure system...the coffee was very probably hotter than 180 degrees. The method turned out to be illegal for employee and consumer safety reasons.

For the OP...ESO doesn't have the best player communication, and I am frequently surprised by its itemization choices. While I personally would make sure my AP was going toward something I wanted, I am not surprised that OP was unfamiliar with the antiquated system of rando gear bags with mostly trash.

The brew method allowed McDonalds to make coffee using less grounds. They had settled numerous lawsuits for essentially the same thing at ~$50-60k a pop but decided to continue to settle law suits as it was still cheaper than using a different brew method.

The multi-million dollar win was reduced to something like a half a million...

There are two ways countries punish a corporate decision to devalue human life over profits. One way is to send the managers that make the decision to jail. The other way is to give the managers immunity and permit lawsuits for amounts at least as great as the profit made on the bad decisions. The U.S. uses the lawsuit method. I'm totally ok with switching to the jail option, but many people feel that it would curb risk taking more than intended.

starkerealm · February 2016

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Your reply is still inane. People make choices every day based on risk levels. Nobody buying a cup of coffee expects that if they spill it on themselves that they will end up with third degree burns with blisters. It's like taking a bottle rocket and filling it with gunpowder to make a bigger explosion in the sky, then blaming the user when he botched the launch and blew off his hand.

Just a minor nitpick, but blisters are second degree. Third degree is, "you've cooked the meat, stick a fork in it, it's done." Which is to say, downright horrifying.

strikeback1247 · February 2016

NerfPlease wrote: »

Oldmanlawlor wrote: »

No one from ZOS made you buy the staffs.

You chose to and you bought them, kid.

The age of entitlement is real.

you go to the shop and buying the pack of chocolates with nuts, as they said

but when you open them at home there is no nuts! only chocolate with a stink of she-e-e-e-t

you will EAT it?

@Oldmanlawlor

Except for the fact that the bags said they contained staffs. It didn't say they contained set staffs.

Waffennacht · February 2016

I gotta say... 2,300 isn't the 100,000s gamblers lose everyday due to addiction.

At least that is recoverable.

But to OP i understand, no refund tho, but i bet you know that

JD2013 · February 2016

RNG.

And why would you spend 500k AP when Thieves Guild is next week, with new stuff for AP?

Mashille · February 2016

Do research before mindlessly spending vast amounts of currency.

timidobserver · February 2016

I can agree that those bag vendors are not newer player friendly. Though you should ask someone before spending that much ap.